At the time 50 days ago (4+8 points) <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41468983">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41468983</a> <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41472259">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41472259</a>