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So long WordPress

333 pointsby ValentineC7 months ago

18 comments

ttul7 months ago
It gets so much worse. Today, my sales guy was trying to register for WordCamp, a conference that we have been attending for years as an essential place to meet customers. And then he encountered the registration form for a WordPress.org login, which neatly specifies that you affirm you have no “affiliation with WP Engine, whether financial or otherwise.” [1]<p>Of course, my company does have an affiliation with WP Engine. We use their service to host our website. Therefore, nobody on my team can register for a WordPress.org account.<p>I wrote an open letter to Matt Mullenweg complaining about the requirement and stating that I believe it violates the Sherman Act and Section 3 of the Clayton Act by being an overly broad prohibition that is clearly anti-competitive and has no clear business justification (aside from limiting competition).<p>Matt and the rest of the people backing Automattic should take note: Moves like this that destroy your community will eventually usher in a replacement. WordPress is pretty neat, but it only got that way because thousands of people put millions of hours into building add-ons and hosting services to make it blossom into what it is today. If their efforts are redirected in another direction, WordPress will wither away to nothing in a few years.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;ksimpson_open-letter-to-matt-mullenweg-ceo-of-automattic-activity-7256742485203263488-2Jly?utm_source=combined_share_message&amp;utm_medium=ios_app&amp;utm_campaign=copy_link" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;ksimpson_open-letter-to-matt-...</a>
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_fat_santa7 months ago
As a JS&#x2F;React dev, I had to do some WP work a few years back and the whole experience left a bad taste in my mouth. I found WP itself to be nice to work with but the ecosystem around it is just jarring.<p>In the JS ecosystem if you have an issue then you usually go look it up and someone either recommends a fix or a NPM package to get around the issue you are having. With WP when you tried to figure out an issue it was always endless blogspam with an upsell to a plugin or consulting services in the end.<p>I remember reading so many articles on really basic topics where the author would dance around the solution before finally going &quot;well if you want the real answer, please hire my WP consulting firm and we can take a look&quot;.<p>And with plugins I found it very hard to find anything open source or free. Every plugin, no matter how small, always seemed to have it&#x27;s core features locked behind a &quot;premium&quot; version. Now I get it, plugins take time to develop and people want to be paid for their work but it was just really jarring to go from a community where folks contribute to developing the best solution for something together versus everyone hacking it on their own because they wanted to sell a plugin.
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pier257 months ago
He migrated his site ot Hugo:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chriswiegman.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;10&#x2F;this-site-now-runs-on-hugo&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chriswiegman.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;10&#x2F;this-site-now-runs-on-hugo&#x2F;</a><p>I can understand WP for non-technical users but I&#x27;m still amazed at web dev teams still <i>not</i> using static sites for blogs and marketing sites.
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throwawaymatt7 months ago
&gt; I joined WP Engine in 2018 because it was the one company that really did seem to be honest about who they were. Like every other company they were in it to make money, but unlike every other company they didn’t hide that fact behind abusive language. They didn’t claim I was “family.” They didn’t claim their work was virtuous and therefore somehow “better” than non-WordPress orgs. No, they said they wanted to be the biggest host and went after that with the best pay I saw in the WordPress ecosystem and interesting work on top of it.<p>Well said. Our agency chose WP Engine over 8 years ago because they were hands-down the best managed WordPress hosting provider. It revolutionized our WordPress hosting offerings and allowed stable, mostly headache free growth. Without the WP Engine&#x27;s platform, and their investments in making WordPress hosting modular and safe we&#x27;d still be in the stone ages of dedicated&#x2F;vps hosting.<p>What kept us as a customer for these 8 years though, has been the quality of support. It can&#x27;t really be measured, but I&#x27;ve found their support to be unmatched and highly competent over hundreds of interactions.<p>We&#x27;ve grown over 400% with WP Engine and this entire fiasco with Matt blindsided us. Begrudgingly, we&#x27;re diversifying our hosting allocations to protect against this new threat but we&#x27;d be much happier continuing with <i>just</i> WP Engine.
legitster7 months ago
&gt; I’ve watched people pour their lives into giving back only to have it all tossed out because their important work isn’t what Matt wanted people to focus on.<p>It&#x27;s sentiments like this that really undercut Mullenweg&#x27;s arguments. &quot;WP Engine didn&#x27;t contribute to core&quot; when Core was just the preapproved feature list that was important to Automattic. Even if WP Engine wanted to contribute, their work would have just lined Automattic&#x27;s pockets (hence why he just asked for money in the shakedown).
mjrpes7 months ago
I&#x27;m planning to go through this recent thread of WordPress alternatives:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Wordpress&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1fsie1i&#x2F;top_wordpress_alternatives&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Wordpress&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1fsie1i&#x2F;top_word...</a><p>Any others that people recommend? Will be looking for a basic website platform, blog is secondary, no e-commerce, minimal use of plugins, open source and hostable, where everything can be done in a Web UI with exception maybe of site templates. API would be nice to help with conversion from WordPress.
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givan7 months ago
If you would like to go back on using a CMS instead of static generators please take a look at the one I&#x27;m building <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vvveb.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vvveb.com</a> it shares the same principles of design and architecture simplicity with the freedom of open source.
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whalesalad7 months ago
WordPress has been a terrible tool for 10+ years. Good riddance.
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rtytry7 months ago
Trips me out people made an entire career with WP. My hat is off to them. WP is so hard for me to figure out. It is almost unbelievable that someone would commit their life to that insanity but I respect the hell out of them.
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nacho2sweet7 months ago
The whole community and ecosystem is full of shady dishonest businesses and practices it seems. Besides all the recent drama as an end user and plugin buyer I have had to ask for 2 separate refunds from major plugins for shady dark pattern re-bills or secret upsells. I used to not consider myself a mark but maybe I am 42 now so I am starting to miss the real opt out buttons (4 pages deep below the fold). Anyways I don&#x27;t like being in any ecosystem that is full of this stuff and not worth my time to manage all of it.
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NationOfJoe7 months ago
People keep saying in this thread, there are better alternatives but i do not see any listed. i know of - Statamic (php, Laravel)- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;statamic.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;statamic.com&#x2F;</a> - Strapi (js) - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;strapi.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;strapi.io&#x2F;</a><p>and then a bunch of SaaS platforms. what are the market leading open source CMS&#x27;s?
codingclaws7 months ago
I&#x27;m reading the WordPress docs right now as an experienced developer that hasn&#x27;t used WordPress that much. It&#x27;s kind of interesting. There&#x27;s a whole REST API built into WordPress. And there&#x27;s also a full on Node workflow that you can use to develop certain components.
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neiman7 months ago
Isn&#x27;t every community is like that after so long? Like, I don&#x27;t like the way that Matt behaved recently, but regarding most of the complains in the post -- these exist in any community or organization which is big enough and has been around for long enough.
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maxbond7 months ago
There are no benevolent dictators.<p>People who are serious about building community will put their trust in others. They will delegate. They will listen to advice. They will compromise. They will be imperfect; they will fail to do the best thing for the community from time to time. But when that happens, more often than not, they will listen and adapt to criticism. We may still call them BDFL. But they aren&#x27;t truly a dictator.<p>People building petty fiefdoms will inevitably betray the community.<p>When I read about Mullenweg, something I&#x27;m struck by is his cry bullying. I see him responding to complaints like, &quot;are you threatening me? I get a lot of death threats.&quot; I bet he does get death threats, and to be clear it&#x27;s not okay that he and other public figures have their lives threatened.<p>But it&#x27;s common for him to respond to people telling him to go to hell as if they were making an actionable threat. See [0]. I would be upset if someone hoped I &quot;[died] a forever painful death involving a car covered in hammers that explodes more than a few times and hammers go flying everywhere.&quot; But I would know they were being hyperbolic and flipping me the bird, not making a threat. (Especially if I was familiar with Tumblr&#x27;s culture and the texture of humor on the platform. Like you might expect from the CEO.)<p>And I certainly wouldn&#x27;t respond by doxing them. And this is really important; doxing someone is <i>actually</i> putting them in jeopardy, with no hyperbole. <i>Doxing someone is an actionable threat of harassment.</i> This is a betrayal of the community&#x27;s trust, and the exercise of power against the community&#x27;s interests.<p>I&#x27;ve seen some other examples of him mischaracterizing insults (including milder ones than this) as threats, but I wasn&#x27;t able to find them in my timebox. These were screenshots from Twitter and possibly Slack, presumably I could find them if I had accounts on those platforms.<p>You can also look at the recent controversy as an exercise in cry bullying. &quot;WP Engine is so unfair to the community,&quot; he cries. &quot;They deprive people of the essential feature of having more than 3 revisions without changing a setting.&quot; Then cuts a large subset of the community off from things that are actually critical, like logging in and updating plugins. He betrayed the community and exercised his leadership position to prosecute his personal quarrels at the community&#x27;s expense.<p>I apologize if this was a rant, but here&#x27;s the point. We should be thinking harder about open source governance, because there are no benevolent dictators. Positions of power corrupt, and they also attract the corrupt to them. When BBS operators were powerful in our community, they attracted (at least one) con artist(s) [1]; now we see a BDFL using our community to rule as a petty tyrant.<p>When we want to adopt an up and coming project, we should ask the BDFL what the plan is for turning over power to democratic mechanisms in the community. When a new project starts only 1 or few people are there to make decisions, so a BDFL is the natural state of things. But we should expect governance to become more sophisticated as a project becomes more important.<p>We should learn to recognize the rhetorical mechanism a petty tyrant uses to conflate their interests with the interests of the community. Be suspicious of them. Push back. Ultimately, there are two mechanisms to hold a petty tyrant accountable; forking and rewriting. We should be prepared to do that.<p>Maintainers reading this might say, &quot;oh, great, not only are people going to open up spurious issues and feel entitled to my time, but you&#x27;re asking them to be a peanut gallery trying to hold me accountable to democratic mechanisms. What a pain in the ass.&quot; This is a solid objection which I do not have a good response to.<p>Another objection I don&#x27;t have an answer to is the very real issues projects like Redis and Elasticache have encountered, where platform giants capture the value without contributing back financially. That&#x27;s a real problem I&#x27;m not smart enough to solve, and it does complicate what I&#x27;m suggesting.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;02&#x2F;22&#x2F;tumblr-ceo-publicly-spars-with-trans-user-over-account-ban-revealing-private-account-names-in-the-process&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;02&#x2F;22&#x2F;tumblr-ceo-publicly-spars-...</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=UTzQmhmgLC0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=UTzQmhmgLC0</a>
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Trias117 months ago
Wordpress is like microsoft. If you want to build a honeypot to attract malware and bad scripted traffic quickly - wordpress is the way.<p>Do you need it?<p>There are way better options today.
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baggy_trough7 months ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bullenweg.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bullenweg.com</a> is getting spicy.
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breck7 months ago
I&#x27;d like to take this chance to plug my new startup, the Printing Press.<p>It&#x27;s like WordPress, but instead of digital, it&#x27;s physical.<p>It requires no servers or computers at all.<p>Just paper, which you can make from naturally growing trees, and ink (I&#x27;m not sure how that is made).<p>Your blog will last a long time, like hundreds of years.<p>You can read it while sitting over your poo hole.<p>Visit our worksite and check it out.<p>- Johnny Gutenberg
hshshshshsh7 months ago
&gt; I’ve officially left the WordPress project after 14+ years of contributing including:<p>Sorry to be an asshole but this is a good lesson on not to over index your life on a single idea.
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