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Prisma Postgres – Runs on bare metal and unikernels

284 pointsby gniting7 months ago

25 comments

Aeolun7 months ago
$49&#x2F;month for 60k queries… The pricing of these serverless offerings is always completely out of this world.<p>My $5 VPS can handle more queries in an hour. Like, I realize there’s more included, but…<p>Is it truly impossible to serve this stuff somewhere closer to cost? If this is close to cost, is this truly as efficient as it gets?
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kundi7 months ago
I find it hard to trust managing Postgres database to someone who decided to use CamelCase by default for the table and column naming in Postgres
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jappgar7 months ago
I was a big promoter of Prisma but can no longer recommend it. They built something really cool but have basically abandoned it, with major issues languishing for years without attention.<p>I guess they were busy working on this instead... for now.
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sorenbs7 months ago
It&#x27;s not every day you get to launch a hosted Postgres service that has something fundamentally new to offer. That&#x27;s what we have done with Prisma Postgres, and I&#x27;m incredibly excited for it.<p>We are using Firecracker and unikernals to deliver true scale-to-zero without cold-starts. Happy to go into more detail if anyone is interested.
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h1fra7 months ago
Maybe they can take this opportunity to close the feature gap with other ORM: no support for partial index, no support for partition, bad support of JSON column, no support &quot;for update&quot;, no support for &quot;now()&quot;, poor query performance.
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kikimora7 months ago
How does it handles backups, read replicas, failover? And more importantly - how it scales with load? For example our workload fluctuates between 1 vCPU to 128 vCPU in an hour. How it would handle this?
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ahachete7 months ago
Last time I checked, Firecracker didn&#x27;t have a very compelling I&#x2F;O story, which made it in my opinion not completely adequate for running Postgres (or any other database).<p>In contrast, other similar VMM seem to have a better one, like Cloud Hypervisor [1]. Why then FC and not CH? (I&#x27;ve nothing against FC, actually love it and have been using it, but it appears not being the best I&#x2F;O wise).<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cloud-hypervisor&#x2F;cloud-hypervisor">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cloud-hypervisor&#x2F;cloud-hypervisor</a>
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FridgeSeal7 months ago
Nice, this is very cool.<p>Very much of the opinion that the Unikernel stuff (and especially what UniKraft are offering) is being massively slept on.
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chimen7 months ago
Let&#x27;s hope it is not another &quot;Netlify&quot; honeypot aka &quot;settle in boys, generous free plan, port everything and lock yourself in. I&#x27;ll start adjusting those prices next year when it will cost you $10 even to send some emails from your contact form&quot;.
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blumomo7 months ago
I recall Prism as a player in the GraphQL server field, this was about 8 years ago.<p>Anyone knows what happened to that? According to their website they now offer only Postgres services?
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Flux1597 months ago
If I already have a postgres operator setup on Kubernetes - what additional benefits is this getting me?<p>Right now super fast start times aren&#x27;t really needed since it&#x27;s a database that I expect to be running for a while - ms vs 30s is fine. It&#x27;s easier to setup a test database on the same machine I&#x27;m running automated tests so that may not be a good usecase either.<p>I&#x27;m glad that they&#x27;ve made improvements to startup speed and size of the containers which would be good if it&#x27;s open sourced, but I don&#x27;t know if this is good as a paid service if you already have an easy way of setting up new clusters in k8s.
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Exuma7 months ago
Prisma is an absolute joke. I remember hearing so much about it with the hype train, and I looked into it, and it&#x27;s an absolute catastrophe with a very beautiful homepage. There are GitHub issues where the creator is arguing with people about not supporting foreign key constraints or something, and he didnt understand the use case (cant remember specifics right now, but this is where I immediately noped right out)
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gigatexal7 months ago
I don’t understand the free pricing tier:<p>$18 &#x2F;million queries, 60k included<p>60k queries are free and then the 60_001st starts incurring costs at 18&#x2F;1_000_000 per query?
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bilalq7 months ago
Is there a way to import data in from a table, or would I have to manually break it up into 1kb chunk insert queries?<p>Let&#x27;s say I have a ~150GB postgres DB right now and I want to move it to Prisma Postgres. At 1kb&#x2F;request and $8&#x2F;million requests, does that mean 150 million requests billed at $1200 just to get started?
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iyn7 months ago
Congrats on the launch, this looks very interesting!<p>Will it ever be possible to self-host Prisma Postgres (or Pulse)? It&#x27;s great that I can use your platform, but if I adopted e.g. Pulse, that&#x27;s a non-trivial vendor lock in. I&#x27;d feel _much_ safer&#x2F;confident building my app around the Prisma stack (besides the ORM, which I like).
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ranguna7 months ago
Any comparison with neon.tech?
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evantbyrne7 months ago
No offense but $0.09&#x2F;GiB for DB read is so expensive. It sounds like servers would be querying Prisma over the internet? Then webmasters get to double pay their webhost for egress to the internet. Developers need to relearn how to self-host!
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welder7 months ago
Anyone complaining here just isn&#x27;t the target user. People who need an always available but zero maintenance and low usage seems to be the target user?<p>&gt; always-on database with pay-as-you-go pricing for storage and queries (no fixed cost, no cost for compute). It&#x27;s like a serverless database — but without cold starts and a generous free tier
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djoldman7 months ago
Virtualization layer (Firecracker + KVM)<p>The &quot;secret&quot; sauce probably. Firecracker is so cool.
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the__alchemist7 months ago
&gt; At Prisma, we believe that deploying a database should be as simple as adding a new page in Notion<p>I don&#x27;t know what this means, but setting up a PostGres DB is a single PSQL command, or a few clicks in PgAdmin.
thenaturalist7 months ago
Drizzle [0] added an easter egg on their website in response to this announcement it seems.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;orm.drizzle.team&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;orm.drizzle.team&#x2F;</a>
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victorbjorklund7 months ago
wow cool. Never heard about unikernels. Does it solve the issue with firecracker of not being able to reclaim memory? Would imagine that can be an issue for a long running app like a constantly busy database
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punduk7 months ago
I guess this is a different way to complicate simple things and sell them. &quot;serverless database is what you need, my dude!&quot;
wg07 months ago
Congratulations! Some innovation, some engineering. The other way, I was thinking about using uni kernels to deploy storage appliances via firecracker and here we go.
JamesMck7 months ago
Amazing tech! Well done Prisma team!