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When you ask ChatGPT "Tell me a story" it's always is about a girl named Elara

58 pointsby throwaway892016 months ago

17 comments

jsheard6 months ago
Reminds me of that study which found that over a sample of 1000 sessions, asking ChatGPT to tell a joke would make it tell one of 25 stock jokes 90% of the time, with the four most common jokes accounting for about half of the results.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;information-technology&#x2F;2023&#x2F;06&#x2F;researchers-discover-that-chatgpt-prefers-repeating-25-jokes-over-and-over&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;information-technology&#x2F;2023&#x2F;06&#x2F;resea...</a>
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hrkucuk6 months ago
From [1] : &gt; Since 2013, the name Elara’s popularity has risen consistently. It peaked in 2018 when 175 babies per million were given the name.<p>I wonder if the most recent data from internet that ended up in the training data makes chatgpt lean towards randomly picking that name. [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.momjunction.com&#x2F;baby-names&#x2F;elara&#x2F;#popularity-over-time" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.momjunction.com&#x2F;baby-names&#x2F;elara&#x2F;#popularity-ove...</a>
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amelius6 months ago
Guessing. I think they may have trained on copyrighted stories. So what they supposedly did was ask an llm to replace the names of the main characters. Since Elara is not a frequently used name, there is little chance of clashing. Then they trained chatgpt on those stories.
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raphman6 months ago
Just tried it out a few times. It seems that the old gpt4 model strongly prefers telling story about &quot;Elara&quot; - but only if asked in English to &quot;tell me a story&quot;.<p>Prompting gpt4 in German or the current gpt4o in English leads to stories with many different protagonists.
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koliber6 months ago
I recruit senior Java developers. The are so many parallels.<p>They don’t read instructions. Instructions say clearly not to use ai for the written screen.<p>They copy and paste blindly. The trick is that there are some instructions written in 0-sizes font that people don’t see in the assignment description. The copied-and-pasted version has them but no one rereads the prompt.<p>Also the AI gives a substandard answer, but that’s besides the point.
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fny6 months ago
In time, this quirk and others* will disappear.<p>I’ve recently wondered whether it makes more sense to have AIs teach more at home and have classrooms evaluate more.<p>Another thought is that people will still need knowledge to interact with an LLM in any meaningful way. It’s akin to doing research with a brilliant professor: an illiterate partner will have no idea even what to ask.<p>*If you repeatedly prompt an LLM to “Make a sentence using the verb V in tense T in language L” with zero context, the example sentences are surprisingly related for a single verb.<p>For example, “You must do your homework tonight”; “He must do his homework to pass the test”; “They must do their homework tonight”.
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jayceedenton6 months ago
This is a good example, I think, of why a future in which all homework is obsolete because of AI is actually not likely.<p>If a lecturer at university sets a task for 100 students (say, write an essay about the factors that led to the first world war), there will be clear and glaring similarities between the way that points are made and explained if many students use chatgpt. Yes a student might rewrite or paraphrase chatgpt, but low effort copy and paste is going to be very obvious because chatgpt&#x27;s model cannot produce an entirely unique approach to the task every time it is asked.<p>I know there are weights and parameters that can be adjusted, so there is some variety available, but I think better to think of the LLM as an additional (all-knowing) person you can consult. If everyone consults that same person for an answer to that assignment it&#x27;s trivial to detect.
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specproc6 months ago
I&#x27;ve found models to be incredibly fixed and repetitive for creative writing. I have this project based around a cyberpunk city, and have been experimenting with LLMs for content generation.<p>The same names and themes continually crop up, despite promoting variations.
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rahidz6 months ago
What causes this? Did one of the model trainers write a story about a girl named Elara as an example response to &quot;tell me a story&quot; or something?
Havoc6 months ago
On the flip side I&#x27;ve not a divergence on other things.<p>Historically LLMs even across different model families&#x2F;origins (!) would tell the same joke - one about atoms. That seems to have changed somewhat.
jjbinx0076 months ago
I just tried it:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chatgpt.com&#x2F;share&#x2F;672f2ed4-194c-8000-8457-8419761d45bd" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chatgpt.com&#x2F;share&#x2F;672f2ed4-194c-8000-8457-8419761d45...</a>
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nubinetwork6 months ago
I noticed something similar... tell the LLM that it&#x27;s a girl, and ask them out for a date... chances are they&#x27;ll want ice cream, or lasagne.
QuesnayJr6 months ago
I just tried it and got &quot;Liora&quot; instead of &quot;Elara&quot;.
cvjcvjcvj6 months ago
Gemini 1.5 002 in AiStudio was about Elara.<p>ChatGPT was Lorenzo.
abdibrokhim6 months ago
because everyone has someone beloved
workingdog6 months ago
Why are we shocked?<p>Computers should generally give us the same output with the same input.
abdibrokhim6 months ago
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