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So, That’s It For Thunderbird

192 pointsby hornokpleasealmost 13 years ago

28 comments

Silhouettealmost 13 years ago
I'm not sure why this is a problem, really. E-mail is e-mail, and the great thing about it is that it's been e-mail for years and it will still be e-mail in many years' time.<p>Thunderbird is a decent native e-mail client. It does its job well enough already. IME, it's been stable and robust for a while now. Lightning is fine for basic calendar needs these days, too. Mozilla have hardly done anything significant to this whole area for a long time anyway, and short of some new protocol being developed or something like signed/encrypted mail becoming the norm, I don't see that the tools require a lot of ongoing development either.<p>I'd be far more interested in improvements to Firefox or, if we're talking about messaging, in having some kind of lightweight Exchange replacement with the same kind of ease-of-use so I don't have to configure a million text files on a Linux box to get a basic mail/calendar/contacts store set up. Personally, I trust the likes of Google (or any other data-driven/ad-funded freebie service) about as far as I can throw them, and they'll host my e-mail when they pry the keyboard from my cold, dead hands. :-)
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StavrosKalmost 13 years ago
I just noticed today that Thunderbird was using 300 MB of my RAM, and was surprised at how bloated it had gotten. I was going to blog about how my 2012 computer feels as snappy as my 2002 computer because of these sorts of things, but I didn't get around to it.<p>There <i>must</i> be a good case to be made about light, responsive software. From the other posters here, I take it there's no light alternative to Thunderbird, and I'll keep using it, but 300 MB of RAM for an email client is a bit ridiculous.
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dredmorbiusalmost 13 years ago
Long live mutt :)<p>In the "who's the user, whose the product" dynamic, I'm a bit confused over what's what in the Mozilla empire. And while no, I wasn't a user, Thunderbird's among the better and more complete email clients out there, I don't see this as a good thing.
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codesuelaalmost 13 years ago
Ihmo there isn't so much left to innovate in an email client and Thunderbird is already a solid client so personally this message won't deter me from using it
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lifeguardalmost 13 years ago
That's fine, Thunderbird is complete. Great features like labels, filters, and tabs.<p>As an added bonus of FOSS, the code base can be forked into a new project and continued by those who are interested.
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wslhalmost 13 years ago
Our article about exporting e-mails from Thunderbird to Outlook has been one of the most successful blog posts since 2009: <a href="http://blog.nektra.com/main/2009/04/14/export-messages-and-folders-from-thunderbird-to-outlook-outlook-express/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.nektra.com/main/2009/04/14/export-messages-and-f...</a><p>What triggered the article was the unresponsiveness from the Thunderbird team about ugly bugs we reported and they removed!
jcurboalmost 13 years ago
Too bad really, but probably coming for a while now. I use Tbird on Windows (and Mail.app on OS X) with my email hosted at pobox.com. I have a gmail account but I've never been a fan of webmail at all.<p>I miss Eudora :( Now that was a simple, fast, clean email client.
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ABSalmost 13 years ago
someone please explain to the author what Open Source means and why Mozilla pulling their own people off an Open source project doesn't prevent that project from continuing
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mrichalmost 13 years ago
Funny, after a couple years of webmail I have just installed Thunderbird again today since I wanted to have more powerful features. I was positively surprised that it had improved quite bit.
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ecaronalmost 13 years ago
This is rather interesting, given that Mozilla had recently adopted the lead developer from the Mozilla-based IM client Instantbird to incorporate chat into TB15. Knowing the software is deadpooled, I wonder in hindsight if that was a last-ditch effort to stay relevant or if that effort helped highlight the inevitable decline/futility of desktop-based email.
ChrisNorstromalmost 13 years ago
I've been a HEAVY user of Thunderbird for 8 years now and I am very saddened by this decision but I do support it. :(<p>One part of me saw this while reading the letter: "Google Chrome is whooping our FireFox browser's ass and we need all men at their battle stations, including people from the Thunderbird team. We've been neglecting Thunderbird for so long that it's not like anyone's going to notice. After all, it took us 10 years to get Sunbird (Mozilla's Standalone Calendar Client) to version 1.0."<p>And the other part of me saw this while reading the letter: "The era of desktop software is coming to an end. Most people have smart phones, multiple computers, and use web-mail to keep it all in sync and accessible across all of their devices. Desktop email client users make up a small percentage of users and there's no reason for us to keep spending money and resources on something that will one day be emulated by a web interface."<p>=== Things Wrong With Thunderbird That Will Probably Never Get Fixed (too expensive / not worth it) ===<p>- The biggest problem with Thunderbird is that it tries to be a bare-bones email client with poorly integrated functionality in the form of third party add-ons. What really makes email clients shine is when a lot of usable features are tightly integrated with a very intuitive and snappy interface. Thunderbird out of the box comes with so few features that it can't compete well with web mail and when you do add on much needed features, they just get generically "bolted on" to the interface. Sometimes in ways that just seem unintuitive and backwards. And every time you update Thunderbird, ALL of your add-ons are rendered useless and you have to wait days/weeks/indefinitely for the addon to be updated. This is the biggest downfall of Thunderbird in my eyes. You'd have to redesign Thunderbird and that isn't happening, it isn't worth it.<p>- By default Thunderbird tries to send all my outgoing mail through 1 smtp account. This alone causes so many problems. Each email account should send emails from its own stmp. Not doing so can mark your "from" field incorrectly (has happened to me many times), trigger red flags (happened to me before) and make other email clients mark your email as "Gmail thinks this message is a scam".<p>- The SPAM filter in Thunderbird is A.W.F.U.L. Let me repeat that A-W-F-U-L. Despite training it for years it routinely misses the same spam, with the same title, and the same content, while sometimes marking very important emails as junk.<p>- The time and date selector for Lightning is just atrocious to the point where I hate having to use it. It FORCES me to set everything in military time and makes date selection more cumbersome than it needs to be.<p>- The tasks todo list for Lightning has never worked for me. Never.<p>- Thunderbird is stuck to one device (desktop). Technically you can have Thunderbird across a lot of computers by using IMAP instead of POP3 but that slows down and cancels out a lot of your speed benefits.<p>=== Why Mozilla Should Fix Them ===<p>- Originally I had typed up a HUGE list of things that desktop email clients can do that web mail clients cannot. Upon further inspection I found that a LOT of those features, everything from multiple accounts being displayed in one stream and searching across multiple accounts is now available in gmail.<p>- Email Clients allow me to have full control over my email inboxes and contacts without having to feed them into gmail.<p>- Email Clients give me a lot of options in how I can display, index, read, and write email.<p>- Email Clients allow me to search emails and contacts from across ALL my email accounts (gmail currently has a limit of 5 accounts).<p>- Email Clients allow you instant one click access to all your email accounts with powerful and expandable features, an intuitive and lightning fast interface, and god-like control over massive amounts of email accounts. For business people, entrepreneurs, assistants, community organizers, and domain owners email clients are a necessity.<p>- The same way power-users like using Seesmic for twitter and facebook, and people like downloading and using native apps over web based ones, the speed and control of software is what's keeping me with Email Clients at the moment.<p>- As soon as you have more than 5 email accounts to manage on a daily basis, the speed of an Email Client wins out. Gmail only allows 5 multiple accounts to be imported into your stream.<p>=== Why Mozilla Will NOT Fix Them And Instead Leave Thunderbird ===<p>- Everything I mentioned above is slowly getting emulated by web mail. At the moment gmail is the winner when it comes to email client emulation but in a few years I can see an elegant php+mysql web based email client that not only does exactly what Thunderbird does, but does it across all your devices. And without breaking all your addons after every update.<p>TLDR: The end is near for Outlook + Thunderbird + Mail + Evolution + The Others...
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madronaalmost 13 years ago
Bah. What's a good alternative native email reader?
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TimJRobinsonalmost 13 years ago
So what do you guys use for managing multiple email accounts well? I love gmail.com but it still doesn't have an easy way to add multiple accounts to the same interface so I'm stuck with the problem of constantly switching between 3 google accounts just to read my email.<p>I used thunderbird for a while but it doesn't show or work with conversation threads as well as gmail and it's search functionality is terrible (I always had to open up gmail to find old email)
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ww520almost 13 years ago
Is there a good web-based email client? Like a html/javascript email client that can talk POP3 &#38; SMTP or IMAP. It's like a Thunderbird on the web.<p>Note I don't mean Gmail/YahooMail/Hotmail. Just a web-based email client that can talk to multiple accounts using standard protocols. Some light server storage support for buffering the POP3 mails would be great.
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nyaralmost 13 years ago
Too bad, all the Thunderbird features they've been implementing have been really positive. I can't say the same for Firefox...<p>Last time I tried the nightlies Thunderbird was coming together as a great "Messaging" client - with IM, IRC, Facebook, GTalk support, filelink for sending big files with dropbox.<p>It's just too bad, I don't find any of the new features in Firefox nearly as exciting as those. Without addons it is still set up and functions pretty much like phoenix does the way I have it configured. I never liked insert tab after current - which is copied from chrome, never liked tab previews which slow down ctrl+tabbing, despise the autoupdate service firefox installs now - they're pretty much jamming firefox with all these useless and copied features and stopping true innovation with Thunderbird.
corfordalmost 13 years ago
Well that sucks :(<p>I've used Thunderbird exclusively for all of my IMAP accounts (8 of them) for years. I cache all my mail locally so I can get to it with or without an internet connection and if I'm on the road and haven't got my laptop with me, I can still get to all my mail via a web interface. It's the perfect setup.<p>I will be a very unhappy bunny if Thunderbird dies on the vine and all I'm left with is Outlook or Windows Mail (neither of which have decent IMAP support).<p>Damn you Mozilla!
larrysalmost 13 years ago
Highly recommend this and one reason I'd be super upset if Thunderbird ever vanishes:<p><a href="http://extensions.hesslow.se/extension/4/Quicktext/" rel="nofollow">http://extensions.hesslow.se/extension/4/Quicktext/</a><p>Allows you to do all sorts of templating within emails. A huge time saver. Great for customer service any any type of standard replies.<p>(Anyone know of any other way to do this should TB ever vanish? Can you write extensions for other email clients?)
jpswadealmost 13 years ago
* CampaignMonitor[1] reports just 1.21% usage<p>* litmus[2] reports 2.4%<p>Not the huge market share that you'd expect.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.campaignmonitor.com/resources/will-it-work/email-clients/" rel="nofollow">http://www.campaignmonitor.com/resources/will-it-work/email-...</a><p>[2]<a href="http://litmus.com/resources/email-client-stats" rel="nofollow">http://litmus.com/resources/email-client-stats</a>
beagle3almost 13 years ago
The thing that has kept me with thunderbird are the AdBlockPlus and VirtualIdentity plugin. Does mail.app / opera mail / any other Linux client have something comparable?<p>(Virtual Identity is a godsend when you have a domain; it lets you set up identities on the fly while writing an email, and manages them beautifully and helpfully for you)
malkiaalmost 13 years ago
It's my favourite newsgroup reader. What are the other alternatives (I'm using it on OSX, Windows and Linux)
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webwanderingsalmost 13 years ago
As an average user, there's just too much overhead in maintaining the desktop client for personal email.
simonbrownalmost 13 years ago
Is there a good free/paid webmail service that can be used with a custom domain and has good security? As far as I know, GMail can only be used with a custom domain if you convert your account to Google Apps, which prevents you from using some Google services.
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jvdhalmost 13 years ago
Hopefully this will open up some breathing space for serious open-source mail client alternatives. I'm hoping for a revival of Letters.app (<a href="https://github.com/ccgus/letters" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/ccgus/letters</a>)
sshethalmost 13 years ago
I guess I will have to shift to Postbox .. which is a private variation on Thunderbird.
damian2000almost 13 years ago
Damn. I just finished importing 18,922 messages from my old email app (the dire windows mail). I've been running Thunderbird (Portable Apps edition) for the past week... it's been excellent so far.
mosburgeralmost 13 years ago
I'm pretty sure Postbox (<a href="http://www.postbox-inc.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.postbox-inc.com/</a>) is based on Thunderbird's source, no? I wonder that this means for them?
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conradfralmost 13 years ago
We use it at work.<p>For sure, there are bugs never fixed and some features that would need polish. I hope support will continue for some time.
recoiledsnakealmost 13 years ago
Thunderbird is(was?) pretty good for what it did and was a good competitor for Outlook about 5 or 6 years ago, but the POP and IMAP protocols and the servers that implemented them were no good and never came up to the level of Exchange.<p>Thunderbird simply didn't have the other half of the equation, Exchange clones failed to live up to their promise and Thunderbird floundered with the introduction of Gmail.<p>With a powerful Exchange replacement on the server side, it could've flourished as the client of choice.<p>Not to mention that Thunderbird did not have a source of revenue like Firefox did.
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