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The new climate math on hurricanes

50 pointsby dnetesn6 months ago

6 comments

vegetablepotpie6 months ago
Climate Central has a model that can show how much more intense hurricanes are based on how much warmer the ocean is.<p>This is an advance for <i>attribution science</i>, which aims to show how much of a natural disaster is attributed to climate change.<p>In the future I expect a party, perhaps an insurance firm, or reinsurance firm sue oil companies for their role in accelerating climate change to pay for the cost of natural disasters.
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jmyeet6 months ago
The empirical data is that we don&#x27;t have more hurricane (in total or per category) per decade now than we did 150 years ago [1]. So if climate change (which is real, to be clear) is intensifying hurricane, shouldn&#x27;t that be reflected in the data?<p>Likewise, when Helene hit North Carolina, this too was attributed to climate change except the <i>exact same thing</i> happened a century ago [2].<p>When we talk about the impact of hurricanes on infrastructure, people and buildings, we forget that there are an awful lot more people now than there was a century ago. 100 years ago, the population of Florida was less than a million.<p>Calling every storm a once in a century storm or saying how once a century events now happen every year (you&#x27;ll hear both of these claims often) does nothing but discredit climate change.<p>Move a normal distribution half a standard deviation left or right and you have real impact but it will take you a lot of data points to figure out that&#x27;s really happened. Extreme outliers in either case will tell you, quite literally, nothing.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nhc.noaa.gov&#x2F;pastdec.shtml" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nhc.noaa.gov&#x2F;pastdec.shtml</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usatoday.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;graphics&#x2F;2024&#x2F;10&#x2F;07&#x2F;hurricane-helene-great-flood-asheville&#x2F;75456390007&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usatoday.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;graphics&#x2F;2024&#x2F;10&#x2F;07&#x2F;hurricane...</a>
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Jabbles6 months ago
&gt; the potential damages caused by a storm increase exponentially—by a power of eight—with increases in wind speed<p>As any CS undergraduate will be able to point out, this is not exponential, it&#x27;s polynomial. Exponential means that damage ∝ a^speed<p>A good CS undergraduate will be able to point out that this doesn&#x27;t matter, as the constants involved may well be more important.
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anonym296 months ago
Glad we&#x27;ve finally figured out how to isolate the impacts of a single variable on a massive and incredibly complex system without even enumerating all of those other variables. The Science (tm) is so cool!
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two_handfuls6 months ago
Almost all 2024 hurricanes went up one point on the Saffir-Simpson scale due to climate change.<p>Wow.
deepnet6 months ago
Scary stuff
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