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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

611 pointsby Inocez6 months ago

39 comments

cyberlimerence6 months ago
Yonhap (Korea state news) :<p>The National Assembly voted Wednesday to demand President Yoon Suk Yeol lift emergency martial law.<p>Under the Constitution, martial law must be lifted when a parliamentary majority demands it.<p>Of the 300 members of parliament, 190 were present and all 190 voted in favor of a motion demanding the lifting of martial law. With the motion&#x27;s passage, the martial law declaration is void, according to the parliamentary speaker&#x27;s office. [1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.yna.co.kr&#x2F;view&#x2F;AEN20241204001651315" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.yna.co.kr&#x2F;view&#x2F;AEN20241204001651315</a>
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JumpCrisscross6 months ago
Article 77 of the Korean Constitution:<p>&quot;1. When it is required to cope with a military necessity or to maintain the public safety and order by mobilization of the military forces in time of war, armed conict or similar national emergency, the President may proclaim martial law as prescribed by law.<p>2. Martial law shall be of two types, extraordinary martial law and precautionary martial law.<p>3. Under extraordinary martial law, special measures may be taken with respect to the necessity for warrants, freedom of speech, the press, assembly and association, or the powers of the Executive and the Judiciary as prescribed by law.<p>4. When the President has proclaimed martial law, he shall notify the National Assembly without delay.<p>5. When the National Assembly requests the lifting of martial law with the concurrent vote of a majority of the total members of the National Assembly, the President shall comply.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.constituteproject.org&#x2F;constitution&#x2F;Republic_of_Korea_1987.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.constituteproject.org&#x2F;constitution&#x2F;Republic_of_K...</a> <i>page 16</i>
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cuuupid6 months ago
Can someone ELI5 if this is a huge deal (like declaring martial law would be in the west), or if this is the equivalent of a &quot;government shutdown&quot; when similar budget impasses occur in the US?
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iambateman6 months ago
The article points out that even some in his own party have denounced the move.<p>I’m no expert but I find it hard to believe there’s much pro-PRK sympathy in Seoul among a major political party.<p>Considering this is making western news, it seems the president has over-played his hand. Hopefully this passes quickly.
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dataflow6 months ago
I feel like I&#x27;d seen absolutely nothing about South Korea in the news for a long time, and then suddenly woke up to this, with zero context.<p>Do folks have any recommendations for how to keep up with global news at a high level so that you&#x27;re not completely clueless when something like this happens? Like I mean some sort of &quot;international edition&quot; of an aggregator like Google News, I guess.
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bananapub6 months ago
Full text of South Korea&#x27;s martial law decree:<p>&gt; In order to protect liberal democracy from the threat of overthrowing the regime of the Republic of Korea by anti-state forces active within the Republic of Korea and to protect the safety of the people, the following is hereby declared throughout the Republic of Korea as of 23:00 on December 3, 2024:<p>&gt; 1. All political activities, including the activities of the National Assembly, local councils, and political parties, political associations, rallies and demonstrations, are prohibited.<p>&gt; 2. All acts that deny or attempt to overthrow the liberal democratic system are prohibited, and fake news, public opinion manipulation, and false propaganda are prohibited.<p>&gt; 3. All media and publications are subject to the control of the Martial Law Command.<p>&gt; 4. Strikes, work stoppages and rallies that incite social chaos are prohibited.<p>&gt; 5. All medical personnel, including trainee doctors, who are on strike or have left the medical field must return to their jobs within 48 hours and work faithfully. Those who violate will be punished in accordance with the Martial Law.<p>&gt; 6. Innocent ordinary citizens, excluding anti-state forces and other subversive forces, will be subject to measures to minimize inconvenience in their daily lives.<p>&gt; Violators of the above proclamation may be arrested, detained, and searched without a warrant in accordance with Article 9 of the Martial Law Act of the Republic of Korea (Special Measures Authority of the Martial Law Commander), and will be punished in accordance with Article 14 of the Martial Law Act (Penalties).<p>&gt; Martial Law Commander, Army General Park An-su, Tuesday, December 3, 2024.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;asia-pacific&#x2F;full-text-south-koreas-martial-law-decree-2024-12-03&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;asia-pacific&#x2F;full-text-south-k...</a><p>so, the Assembly meeting to even discuss this is explicitly banned.
intoamplitudes6 months ago
Transparent coup d&#x27;etat attempt rumored to happen for months. The only option when the mouse is cornered. Approval rating in the &lt;10% range, Japan whispering in his ear and pulling the puppet strings, crazy selfish wife abusing state resources, it is almost comically predictable if not for how serious it is. North Korea is always the convenient excuse... only hope Westerners don&#x27;t get fooled by the rhetoric. Guy digging his own grave, only hope Koreans get off their complacent asses and take this guy down quickly. World cannot afford more instability.
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yeonsh6 months ago
Democracy in Korea at a Crossroad<p>On December 3, 2024, at 10:27 PM, President Yoon Seokyeol declared martial law. This declaration is illegal and constitutes a criminal act, directly violating the Constitution and other laws.<p>It is essentially a coup d&#x27;état.<p>The current political and social situation does not meet the criteria of &quot;a time when it is necessary to respond to military needs or maintain public order in wartime or a similar national emergency&quot; as outlined in Article 77 of the Constitution. Therefore, the emergency martial law is invalid and illegal, and the president should be held accountable. Additionally, martial law is procedurally invalid as there was no cabinet meeting, which is required by Article 2(5) of the Martial Law Act. This martial law is null and void!<p>It is illegal for martial law forces to enter the National Assembly. We demand the immediate lifting of martial law.<p>Kim Min-seok, Member of the National Assembly of the Republic of Korea<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;Ugkxb5QujtsQagPZalY1RJLx8Cd-W3gdyqO1?si=H1q_4TqU_3laB7UF" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;Ugkxb5QujtsQagPZalY1RJLx8Cd-W3gdyqO1...</a>
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Kye6 months ago
Two informational live threads:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bsky.app&#x2F;profile&#x2F;antonhur.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;3lcfxpcpmuc24" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bsky.app&#x2F;profile&#x2F;antonhur.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;3lcfxpcpmuc24</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bsky.app&#x2F;profile&#x2F;sarahjeong.bsky.social&#x2F;post&#x2F;3lcfxvft4u22g" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bsky.app&#x2F;profile&#x2F;sarahjeong.bsky.social&#x2F;post&#x2F;3lcfxvf...</a><p>My understanding based on just finding out about this and skimming a bit:<p>President declared martial law to distract from some embarrassing thing<p>Military starts enforcing<p>Assembly votes to outlaw martial law<p>Military stands down
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regularization6 months ago
A few months ago, the US deputy secretary of state said Yoon deserved the Nobel Peace prize. I wonder if this is still the US state department&#x27;s position.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;asia.nikkei.com&#x2F;Politics&#x2F;Japan-South-Korea-ties&#x2F;U.S.-official-says-Kishida-and-Yoon-deserve-Nobel-Peace-Prize" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;asia.nikkei.com&#x2F;Politics&#x2F;Japan-South-Korea-ties&#x2F;U.S....</a>
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BadHumans6 months ago
I&#x27;m not familiar with the situation but reading the article, this sounds very similar to Netanyahu in Isreal, using the excuse of the opposition to stay in power.
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JohnFen6 months ago
Freedom seems to be on the decline everywhere.
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wesselbindt6 months ago
The reason given is to root out pro-North Korean elements. How is red scare stuff still a thing?
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cdiamand6 months ago
Can someone familiar with South Korean politics give us some context for what is happening here?
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a0126 months ago
Does it apply to the whole country? Then we the tourists are really freaking pissed
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whtsthmttrmn6 months ago
He just said he&#x27;ll lift it so...we&#x27;ll see what happens!
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greatgib6 months ago
Something that is missing in all western news that I have seen so far is why the president did that?<p>The only info is that he said that it is to protect the democracy from north Korean supporters in the opposition, but no more details.<p>Does anyone know which action of the opposition triggered that? And why so suddenly? Also, might it be reasonable grounds to his claims or is he just clearly using the martian law against his political opponents?<p>Something a little bit scary around the world is that it looks like that bad guys are quite active and good at disrupting democracies and elections in free countries (France, us, Romania, moldovia, ...) whereas it looks like that the western world has really low influence to disrupt these countries for a political change.
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MrMcCall6 months ago
It&#x27;s a very brief news article but this caught my eye:<p>&quot;He has also been dismissing calls for independent investigations into scandals involving his wife and top officials&quot;<p>Well, there&#x27;s a standard motive.<p>And, if there&#x27;s two things that seems constant in conservative politics, it&#x27;s that they don&#x27;t want anything to change (by defintion of &#x27;conservative&#x27;), and they do seem to be forever embroiled in accusations of corruption.<p>And they <i>never</i> look trustworthy, for what that&#x27;s worth. Perhaps it is as I understand that a lifetime of being lousy to other human beings shows on one&#x27;s face, in one&#x27;s voice, and is evident in one&#x27;s lack of happiness.<p>We all reap what we sow, for ill or good, and apparently the vast majority of people that seek power generally do so for selfish, greedy reasons.
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tekla6 months ago
Welp, going 오일팔 518 all over again. A joke of a government.
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myflash136 months ago
It&#x27;s December for God&#x27;s sakes, just yesterday I thought that the Syria rebels would be the last geopolitical surprise for the year.
djaouen6 months ago
I have family in South Korea. Hope this either ends quickly or him and his wife can come to the U.S. together. :(
pvaldes6 months ago
Is coups d&#x27;etat all the way down, one by one...<p>Will not last. When this finish the rebloom of the societies will be massive.
guerrilla6 months ago
Great, all the world needs is yet more instability.<p>Any guesses on market reactions here? Are component prices going to get worse?
card_zero6 months ago
More here<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;live&#x2F;cn38321180et" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;live&#x2F;cn38321180et</a><p>&gt; According to South Korean law, the government must lift martial law if the majority of National Assembly demands in a vote.<p>&gt; The same law also prohibits martial law command from arresting lawmakers.<p>&gt; members of the National Assembly have been banned from accessing the building.<p>The head of the (president&#x27;s) ruling People Power Party has vowed to block the (president&#x27;s) declaration, describing it as &quot;wrong&quot;.<p>&gt; Currently, around 70 members of the opposition are inside the assembly, while the rest are gathering outside<p>&gt; When Speaker Woo Won-shik arrives he will call for a vote to lift the martial law<p>&gt; special forces soldiers are inside the assembly building. It is unclear what the soldiers are doing.<p>Also, military helicopters landed on the roof.
fahimahmed056 months ago
How to kill your political career 101!
metalman6 months ago
there must be a Korean parable along the lines of chicken little or someone there is writing it now
alephnerd6 months ago
Is it the 1980s again?
jmyeet6 months ago
South Korea is dying. It has the lowest birth rate in the world: ~0.78 children per woman. If you want to know what that means, take 100 people (50 men, 50 women). In 3 generations there are... 6 people. That&#x27;s population collapse.<p>Every developed nation is barreling towards this fate. It&#x27;s what end stage capitalism and 5 chaebols-in-a-trenchcoat as a government looks like.<p>The only thing preventing population collapse in the West is immigration. Any country that wants to maintain a particular ethnic majority is doomed.<p>So why is South Korea like this? Because of the demands of work, the government being beholden to the chaebols, the demands on women to both work, have children and largely be responsible for raising them without work suffering. There&#x27;s a vicious cycle of entrenched misogyny and women essentially opting out of this system (ie the 4B movement).<p>Add all this up and you have a country that is bound for crisis after crisis. You cannot look at this current crisis without understanding the broader context.<p>The endless pursuit of profits will quite literally destroy a country if you let it.
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neycoda6 months ago
Next up: Trump
bloomingkales6 months ago
Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever.<p>Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge <i>isnt</i> power.<p>Cersei Lannister: Power is power.
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bzvxjkx6 months ago
Is this happening because of N Korea troops in Ukraine and people disagreeing about what to do about it?
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kjrfghslkdjfl6 months ago
Wait I thought HN was not for politics??<p>Or is it that when the politics isn&#x27;t US politics, HN readers can be more emotionally detached and treat it as &quot;interesting&quot;?
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decremental6 months ago
This article reeks to high hell of the regime propaganda writing we see about domestic politics:<p>&quot;Yoon — whose approval rating has dipped in recent months — has struggled to push his agenda against an opposition-controlled parliament since taking office in 2022.<p>Yoon’s conservative People Power Party had been locked in an impasse with the liberal opposition Democratic Party over next year’s budget bill. He has also been dismissing calls for independent investigations into scandals involving his wife and top officials, drawing quick, strong rebukes from his political rivals.&quot;<p>See the same patterns. You can tell which side they want to paint in a bad light and what do you know it&#x27;s the conservative side.
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anacrolix6 months ago
Glad I sold my South Korean ETF already
ghoshbishakh6 months ago
Putin relaxing nuclear weapon usage policies and now south korea making anti-democratic moves, 2025 is going to be interesting.<p>EDIT: Not mentioning Trump is my mistake.
Eumenes6 months ago
The US State Department is having a busy Q4!!
derelicta6 months ago
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jahdG6 months ago
The MPs are being locked out from the National Assembly from overturning this coup:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telegraph.co.uk&#x2F;world-news&#x2F;2024&#x2F;12&#x2F;03&#x2F;south-korea-martial-law&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telegraph.co.uk&#x2F;world-news&#x2F;2024&#x2F;12&#x2F;03&#x2F;south-kore...</a><p>For the South Korean population, the proper way to deal with this is a general strike. Do not work unless in absolutely vital sectors.<p>Koreans here say that this is domestic. Hopefully it is and will be over soon. It is odd however that the U.S. government escalates in Ukraine, there is a new color revolution in Georgia (the country adjacent to Russia), the Syrian rebels launch a major attack and now this.<p>All of this &quot;coincidentally&quot; makes Trump&#x27;s peace efforts more difficult. Trump will have to clean up all the fires started by this incompetent or malicious administration.
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DonnyV6 months ago
I love how Hacker News moderators will let international political news stay on the site. But never any US political news stay on. Unless it serves the tech industry.
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