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Amazon Nova

365 pointsby scbenet6 months ago

27 comments

mikesurowiec6 months ago
A rough idea of the price differences...<p><pre><code> Per 1k tokens Input | Output Amazon Nova Micro: $0.000035 | $0.00014 Amazon Nova Lite: $0.00006 | $0.00024 Amazon Nova Pro: $0.0008 | $0.0032 Claude 3.5 Sonnet: $0.003 | $0.015 Claude 3.5 Haiku: $0.0008 | $0.0004 Claude 3 Opus: $0.015 | $0.075 </code></pre> Source: AWS Bedrock Pricing <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aws.amazon.com&#x2F;bedrock&#x2F;pricing&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aws.amazon.com&#x2F;bedrock&#x2F;pricing&#x2F;</a>
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lukev6 months ago
This is a digression, but I really wish Amazon would be more normal in their product descriptions.<p>Amazon is rapidly developing its own jargon such that you need to understand how Amazon talks about things (and its existing product lineup) before you can understand half of what they&#x27;re saying about a new thing. The way they describe their products seems almost designed to obfuscate what they <i>really</i> do.<p>Every time they introduce something new, you have to click through several pages of announcements and docs just to ascertain what something <i>actually is</i> (an API, a new type of compute platform, a managed SaaS product?)
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jmward016 months ago
No audio support: The models are currently trained to process and understand video content solely based on the visual information in the video. They do not possess the capability to analyze or comprehend any audio components that are present in the video.<p>This is blowing my mind. gemini-1.5-flash accidentally knows how to transcribe amazingly well but it is -very- hard to figure out how to use it well and now Amazon comes out with a gemini flash like model and it explicitly ignores audio. It is so clear that multi-modal audio would be easy for these models but it is like they are purposefully holding back releasing it&#x2F;supporting it. This has to be a strategic decision to not attach audio. Probably because the margins on ASR are too high to strip with a cheap LLM. I can only hope Meta will drop a mult-modal audio model to force this soon.
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ndr_6 months ago
Setting up AWS so you can try it via Amazon Bedrock API is a hassle, so I made a step-by-step guide: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ndurner.github.io&#x2F;amazon-nova" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ndurner.github.io&#x2F;amazon-nova</a>. It&#x27;s 14+ steps!
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scbenet6 months ago
Technical report is available here <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.science&#x2F;publications&#x2F;the-amazon-nova-family-of-models-technical-report-and-model-card" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.science&#x2F;publications&#x2F;the-amazon-nova-fami...</a>
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zapnuk6 months ago
They missed a big opportunity by not offering eu-hosted versions.<p>Thats a big thing for complience. All LLM-providers reserve the right to save (up to 30days) and inspect&#x2F;check prompts for their own complience.<p>However, this means that company data is potentionally sotred out-of-cloud. This is already problematic, even more so when the storage location is outside the EU.
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xnx6 months ago
More options&#x2F;competition is good. When will we see it on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lmarena.ai&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lmarena.ai&#x2F;</a> ?
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zacharycohn6 months ago
I really wish they would left-justify instead of center-justify the pricing information so I&#x27;m not sitting here counting zeroes and trying to figure out how they all line up.
potlee6 months ago
&gt; The Nova family of models were trained on Amazon’s custom Trainium1 (TRN1) chips,10 NVidia A100 (P4d instances), and H100 (P5 instances) accelerators. Working with AWS SageMaker, we stood up NVidia GPU and TRN1 clusters and ran parallel trainings to ensure model performance parity<p>Does this mean they trained multiple copies of the models?
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xendo6 months ago
Some independent latency and quality evaluations already available at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;artificialanalysis.ai&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;artificialanalysis.ai&#x2F;</a> Looks to be cheap and fast.
HarHarVeryFunny6 months ago
Since Amazon are building their own frontier models, what&#x27;s the point of their relationship with Anthropic ?
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baxtr6 months ago
As a side comment: the sound quality of the auto generated voice clip is really poor.<p>No match for Google&#x27;s NotebookLM podcasts.
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indigodaddy6 months ago
Unfortunate that this seems to be inextricably tied to Amazon Bedrock though in order to use it..
adt6 months ago
Param estimates etc:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lifearchitect.ai&#x2F;olympus&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lifearchitect.ai&#x2F;olympus&#x2F;</a>
blackeyeblitzar6 months ago
It would be nice if this was a truly open source model like OLMo: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;venturebeat.com&#x2F;ai&#x2F;truly-open-source-llm-from-ai2-to-drive-critical-shift-in-ai-development&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;venturebeat.com&#x2F;ai&#x2F;truly-open-source-llm-from-ai2-to...</a>
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diggan6 months ago
&gt; The model processes inputs up to 300K tokens in length [...] up to 30 minutes of video in a single request.<p>I wonder how fast it &quot;glances&quot; an entire 30 minute video and takes until the first returned token. Anyone wager a guess?
htrp6 months ago
No parameter counts?
siquick6 months ago
Is there any difference in latency when calling models via Bedrock vs calling the providers APIs directly?
TheAceOfHearts6 months ago
They really should&#x27;ve tried to generate better video examples, those two videos that they show don&#x27;t seem that impressive when you consider the amount of resources available to AWS. Like what even is the point of this? It&#x27;s just generating more filler content without any substance. Maybe we&#x27;ll reach the point where video generation gets outrageously good and I&#x27;ll be proven wrong, but right now it seems really disappointing.<p>Right now when I see obviously AI generated images for book covers I take that as a signal of low quality. If AI generated videos continue to look this bad I think that&#x27;ll also be a clear signal of low quality products.
astoilkov6 months ago
Any ideas on how to use the new models through JavaScript in the browser or Node.js?
m3kw96 months ago
Using Amazon or google cloud api and forgot about it? Surprise bill in a few months.
Super_Jambo6 months ago
No embedding endpoints?
mrg3_20136 months ago
DOA<p>When marketing talks about price delta and not quality of the output, it is DOA. For LLMs, quality is a more important metric and Nova would always try to play catch with the leaderboard forever.
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smallnix6 months ago
Do these work with the bedrock converse API?
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teilo6 months ago
So that&#x27;s what I missed at the keynote.
jklinger4106 months ago
It&#x27;s really amusing how bad Amazon is at writing and designing UI. For a company of their size and scope it&#x27;s practically unforgivable. But they always get away with it.
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andrewstuart6 months ago
It&#x27;s not clear what the use cases are for this, who is it aimed at.
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