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Ask HN: Negotiating equity. Is 10% enough?

2 pointsby MaxwellMalmost 13 years ago
I plan on quitting my engineering job to join a 2 person startup. Currently the startup doesnt make product - it generates $100,000 per year in software consulting and is growing at a rate of 15%. Eventually we hope to package and ship products from our consulting ventures.I will be quitting a 9 to 5 to work days/nights/weekends (basically full time, all the time), loosing dental/health insurance and 401k benefits.<p>Since I do not expect to get paid more than $33K per year, I need to figure out what equity compensation is reasonable. How should I go about figuring out what equity to negotiate?<p>I could estimate stock value using price to earnings, 10% equity for year one would then correspond to an additional $10,000 if my shares were to be bought out.Is this how I should go about thinking about this?

5 comments

patio11almost 13 years ago
You seem to think you're the first employee. If you're not making market and going home at 5/6 PM, you should be the third co-founder.
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mechanical_fishalmost 13 years ago
Visit this page (nothing special, just the first search result for "software engineer salary"):<p><a href="http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Engineer_/_Developer_/_Programmer/Salary" rel="nofollow">http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Engineer_/_...</a><p>And ask yourself this question: If these two people can't make more than $50k per year per capita in software consulting, in this market, in their product's alleged <i>target</i> market - and they can't figure out how to grow that number more than 15% per year, via simple recipes that are <i>orders</i> of magnitude less risky than developing and shipping a product - why on earth are you quitting a job to partner with them?<p>Look for partners who can find a market worth finding. In the meantime, don't give up your day job, no matter how much equity you're offered.
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tjtrappalmost 13 years ago
joel spolsky answered a similar question on quora here, <a href="http://answers.onstartups.com/questions/6949/forming-a-new-software-startup-how-do-i-allocate-ownership-fairly/23326#23326" rel="nofollow">http://answers.onstartups.com/questions/6949/forming-a-new-s...</a>
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MaxwellMalmost 13 years ago
<a href="http://answers.onstartups.com/questions/6949/forming-a-new-software-startup-how-do-i-allocate-ownership-fairly/23326#23326" rel="nofollow">http://answers.onstartups.com/questions/6949/forming-a-new-s...</a><p>According to this I would count as the first employee as the company has existed for a year and is making money. Thereby ascribing 10% to me, their first layer of employees. However as this layer grows my value may gets diluted. Moreover it assumes that I am getting paid market wage. As part designer, part developer and part project manager - im not sure what that number is but lets say its at least what im getting paid now $70K per year.<p>Since I am not getting paid market wage I feel like it should be reasonable to ask for sufficient equity compensation. This is one of the main reasons join a startup right? Not the pay but the &#60;em&#62; potential &#60;em&#62; reward.<p>All this being said, its a young company the founders are my friends and I feel strongly that the company has potential and that I have a strong opportunity to grow.
timaelliottalmost 13 years ago
Why do you think you'd only get paid $33k? If that's the case, that's suggesting the compensation and ownership is:<p><pre><code> Co-Founder: $33k Salary, 45% Equity Co-Founder: $33k Salary, 45% Equity You: $33k Salary, 10% Equity </code></pre> I'm hoping the problem is self-evident.
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