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The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

178 pointsby shreyans6 months ago

24 comments

llm_nerd6 months ago
I have four children. I have never regretted it or wished for a different path. I know it isn&#x27;t for everyone, but it absolutely was and is for me.<p>At the same time I do think articles like this should be countered with the reality that many fathers aren&#x27;t overwhelmed with waves of love or &quot;surreal magnificence&quot;. With each of my children being born the primary emotions I could point to were dread and anxiety.<p>The sudden overwhelming obligation to provide care, comfort and security for such a vulnerable human for decades encompasses your being.<p>One of the reasons birthrates have plummeted in the West, and sentiments about having children have dropped, is that we have no &quot;village&quot;, so to speak. Having children is not only an astronomical expense -- every single element of life is dramatically more expensive, made much worse with the housing crisis occurring in many Western nations -- a couple is often entirely on their own. There are no respites or breaks.<p>And as children get viewed as a selfish luxury, the social norms for what a parent needs to do to be proper climb ever higher.
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mr_mitm6 months ago
Is it like this for everyone? I sometimes wonder how large the number of cases is where the parent does not feel like that at all but refrains from sharing it due to societal expectations and fear of being judged. It would introduce a bias regarding these stories.
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Simon_ORourke6 months ago
It&#x27;s f*cking hard work, for those in any doubt. It&#x27;s the most difficult web server config file you&#x27;ve ever to edit at 4am to resolve some production outage, for years, without any hope of let up. Is it rewarding, yes, but it&#x27;s a duty and there&#x27;s no backup or timeout, you get to experience this 24&#x2F;7 for at least a few year while they&#x27;re young.
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binary1326 months ago
Fatherhood transforms men. Becoming a father was by far the most transformative event of my entire life so far. This is the common refrain I’ve heard. Of course, you also have to live up to the vocation.
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lproven6 months ago
I enjoyed this.<p>I became a father after 51 years of avoiding it and avoiding children.<p>It has changed my life and enriched it in ways I could not have imagined before.<p>I monitored myself and my internal state as closely as I am able from learning that my partner was pregant until a few months after the birth. I could not detect the slightest difference in my mind, but I have gone from strongly disliking children to being a loving dad who enjoys being around kids. I am really enjoying it.<p>It feels like a whole section of my biological programming has been unlocked and while I couldn&#x27;t feel it happening, I am now a different person, and a happier one too.<p>It has been the most life-altering experience I&#x27;ve ever had, and I&#x27;ve nearly died, I&#x27;ve had skeletal surgery while awake, and more.
youoy6 months ago
I love this one:<p>&gt; My mother came in with a great tip: when in doubt, ask second time parents, not other first timers.<p>So true in so many levels.
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dannyfreeman6 months ago
What a beautiful post. I&#x27;ve always had a difficult time explaining how having a child has fundamentally changed who I am to people who don&#x27;t have kids. This captures some of that well. Thank you for sharing!!
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shakes076 months ago
“Finding babies funny is probably a useful survival mechanism for an overworked parent.”<p>Currently in week 5 of my own journey with my child, and the above is basically how you have to perceive things as you push through this early phase. Beautiful read, and looking forward to appreciating more as I’m less sleep deprived.
anonu6 months ago
Ah, the beauty of hormones and how they effect your perception of life and love.<p>My experience resonates with the authors. But certainly the experience ranges dramatically for different people under different life circumstances.
hipadev236 months ago
why is this flagged? how do we vouch for a submission
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nazghoul6 months ago
Good read. I really liked the line about soliciting advice from second time parents.<p>Also: “We all came out like this. This is how it has always happened. Insane.“<p>… I was a C-section :P
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saas_startup6 months ago
There is a high societal expectation that fatherhood (or motherhood) should look like the one in this article. Having had 2 babies in the last 5 years and observing most of our friends going through parenthood in the last 5+ years I think this is a very biased view that does not reflect reality.<p>My sample might be a bit biased as most our friends are PhD educated and in Tech or Academia.<p>My own observations:<p>- I was not terribly interested in our kids between ages of 0 - 2. This does not mean I did not fully participate in their life, but this was a muscle I had to exercise. I went to therapy as I thought I was somehow broken because thats not how people should feel. What I learned is that feelings are much more common than it is widely accepted.<p>- Once they started to speak, ask questions, and being more emotionally regulated it became very different. At this point I spend more time with my kids than my wife and generally love spending time with them, its almost effortless. Explaining things, buildings legos, became one of my favourite activities.<p>- Having daily help (live in nanny, live in grandparents) is an enormous help both from kids and relationship perspective. Seems like a trivial thing but if you do not have live in help you are likely to never be alone again as a couple for more than 24h (i.e. you can&#x27;t go on a short trip).<p>Observations about my friends:<p>- Trying for a baby and being unsuccessful for years or going through multiple miscarriages can make couples extremely sad. You can reduce this risk by trying early.<p>- If your mental health is not amazing before kids it is likely get worse. This is about functional people that have mild mental health problems. Two of our friends developed severe mental health problems that in one case ended in a divorce and in second case multiple years of unemployment (father who was not primary care giver). This were generally reasonable people that sought mental health help from both therapy and medicine perspective.<p>- The societal expectations that women should be super excited about motherhood is not always true. Within our friends group probably 50% women are less involved in raising their kids than fathers. Some (reluctantly) admitted that they don&#x27;t really like how motherhood negatively affected their job prospects, bodies and mental health.<p>- If you do happen to get divorce with young kids it is likely going to be a life changing event. Situation has to be pretty bad to get divorce with young kids so most likely you will be better off but from the two cases we have seen this typically means severe financial burden and inability to sustain long term relationship afterwards. If you are a women and somehow loose custody there is also going to be pretty severe societal judgement against you even in very progressive locations.<p>It may sound as a little bit depressing view of parenthood but this is more reality check for those reading only the bright side. Overall, I am extremely happy we have kids and our relationship is stronger than it was before but thats not the case for everyone and it required work.
Def_Os5 months ago
Well written, and very recognizable. I felt pretty much the same as the author at the time of my firstborn. The second kid&#x27;s birth I don&#x27;t even remember, haha. I can say that 8 years later the love for the children and my partner has only deepened. Family life is unrelenting and exhausting at times, but I&#x27;m one of the lucky ones with a fabulous partner and healthy, smart and fun kids-- until the teenage years change the picture all over again, maybe?
parpfish6 months ago
Reading this just re-confirmed to me that I’m not cut out for parenting. I’m glad he’s digging it, but my reaction to all of the little miracles he described was either rolling my eyes or thinking “that sounds terrible”.
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jacknews6 months ago
&quot;there&#x27;s a part of me somewhere else.&quot;<p>This. Although I&#x27;m not sure this merits my quote book. I would phrase it as &quot;there&#x27;s a <i>big</i> part of me that&#x27;s <i>someone</i> else&quot; maybe.
mpbart6 months ago
As a fellow first-time parent with a 1 month old at home this captured a lot of feelings that I’ve experienced recently. Thanks for taking the time to write such a thoughtful article
RunSet6 months ago
Counterpoint:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;36057840&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;36057840&#x2F;</a>
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jonstewart6 months ago
It’s surreal, for sure, but I would like the drugs this guy is on. I can’t wait till they’re off to college when I’m 58 and I can program full bore again.
nachox9996 months ago
&quot;Do you remember falling in love for the first time? Fatherhood feels like this.&quot;<p>That&#x27;s EXACTLY what I felt when my daugther was born
erulabs6 months ago
Nice post, new babies are really magical. There are so many more transformations coming! Now that I have two, one of them coming up on age 4, so many new things make sense. You don’t immediately get the sense of the father&#x2F;son discipline dynamic when they’re infants. You watch someone go from “perfect” to perfectly human. A little angel to a little man. The first time your child hurts someone: that’s when fatherhood shifts into gear.<p>&gt; And after a few minutes passed I started to...think<p>Gosh I miss the first-baby newborn phase! Thinking time is dramatically cut in little-kid phase; but hey, tricycles and legos and Playdough!<p>You’re in it now friend! Keep writing and hang in there, it’s a life-long occupation!
tomcam6 months ago
I still feel that way. My kids are well into their third decades.
uhtred6 months ago
This is like LinkedIn content not hackernews.
mdip6 months ago
I have to say that nothing in my life compared to having children. I have a 15 and a 17-year-old, today.<p>I think the biggest factor was the shift in self-preservation instinct. Before my son was born, I had &quot;believed&quot; that I&#x27;d be the kind of guy who -- barring alternatives -- would jump in front of a bullet, sacrificing my own life to save my child.<p>But I&#x27;d been on Earth for 29 years at that point and during that time, one of the things that&#x27;s sort of wired into you is &quot;avoid, at all costs, the path of projectiles fired from guns.&quot; Though I recognized that this sort of thing doesn&#x27;t happen to the vast majority of people in my position, I&#x27;d wondered whether or not that instinct might kick in should that occasion ever occur.<p>Shortly after my son was born, after the haze of sleepless nights ended, I realized something -- really, everything -- had changed. Replaying that scenario in my head, I no longer worried at <i>all</i> about how I&#x27;d react. I <i>knew</i> that there would be no scenario, ever again, where my safety would take precedence over that of my son (and later, my daughter). It wasn&#x27;t the complexity of knowing I would have an impossible time living with myself if I survived and my son had died; it was like my brain had rewired a new instinct.<p>And as any parent with children of sufficient age has probably experienced, it was tested time and again, though thankfully in much less serious ways. I remember teaching my daughter to ice skate at age 5 and upon watching her lose her balance, watching as my body lurched forward and dove under her, clumsily catching her and breaking her fall.<p>&quot;Watching&quot; is the way I describe it because I don&#x27;t remember ever having a thought in advance of doing it nor any control over my body once it had made the inevitable choice. There was no planning, no strategy, no honest understanding that a guy who&#x27;d never slid into first base, dove to catch a football or been skilled in <i>any</i> way when it came to sports along with not being particularly good in a pair of hockey skates[0] had a greater chance of injuring myself in the fall than my daughter had of injuring herself in five layers of padded cloth falling a couple of feet to the ground. I remember the moment I&#x27;d &quot;saved her&quot; in triumph and the subsequent feeling of defeat during the hours spent in the ER diagnosing my fracture rib.<p>I often compare the kind of parent I thought I would be against the kind of parent I ultimately became. I had put off having kids mostly due to my sister-in-law&#x27;s 4-year-old terror (who turned out <i>just fine</i>). I would be the strong, <i>stern</i> Dad who didn&#x27;t let their child misbehave. I would temper this by being the loving, affectionate Dad that my own was. And while I became the latter, I quickly realized how much more effective it is to call out and encourage the good behavior. I learned to have &quot;sit downs&quot; and discuss the bad behavior but to be gracious with it. I understood how poorly I reacted to negativity as a child and how discouraging that was to my success when I saw my son respond like I did.<p>Somehow, through a divorce and ensuing turmoil in my own life, I managed to end up with two teenage children who love nothing more than to spend time with Dad. We have a less-than-perfect parenting time schedule that the laws in my state make impossible for me to change (despite my flexible schedule and my children&#x27;s desires) but my kids would rather schedule friend time on Mom&#x27;s clock and invite friends out with us on my time. My kids both call me every day after school and we talk, sometimes for hours. We play Fortnite five out of seven nights an evening -- a game I&#x27;d be unlikely to touch without them[1] but one I&#x27;m thankful that we &quot;play on the same team&quot; and use mostly for talking to one another over twelve miles.<p>I realized that up until about age 12, I could read their minds and understood them better than they knew themselves. Sometime in their teen years, I discovered that -- in some ways -- they are more brave, more honest and better children than I <i>ever</i> was at my <i>best</i>.<p>I remember thinking &quot;I&#x27;m not going to push programming on them&quot; because I really respected the fact that my Dad didn&#x27;t push what <i>he</i> did on me -- he wasn&#x27;t a programmer, but he supported my second love as if it were his own. And I remember how proud I was when my daughter signed up for programming class in 8th grade and <i>yelled</i> at me when I suggested she might enjoy &quot;art&quot; (her passion and offered at the same time) more &quot;I&#x27;m <i>NOT</i> doing this for <i>YOU</i>, Dad!&quot; That&#x27;s my girl.<p>I think the biggest adjustment, though, is realizing that they are the entire reason I&#x27;m here. Every single thing I do comes with the question: &quot;How does this affect them?&quot; I might have looked at a man who behaved that way and thought &quot;that&#x27;s the kind of Dad I want to be&quot; but I know there&#x27;s nothing special about that with me -- it was a re-wiring. I fear my own death only in that I know how it would affect them were it to come suddenly in their young lives.<p>I, like most boys raised by stereo-typical &quot;Family Ties&quot; or &quot;The Cosby Show&quot; parents learned &quot;men don&#x27;t cry&quot; and rarely had the temptation to do so until after they were born. Last month, &quot;The Remarkable Life of Ibelin&quot; was released and I made it a point to get through it <i>alone</i> before watching it with my kids. I sobbed -- and I mean <i>ugly cried</i> -- through the whole thing sitting alone in my bedroom. I didn&#x27;t do much better the second time with my kids[2]. I&#x27;m blessed that I&#x27;ve never lost my composure over my own life and its struggles but I can imagine how devastating and permanent losing one of my children would be.<p>I thought I had a pretty good idea of what it would be like to have kids, I thought I had a lot figured out before I had them. There are few things I had more wrong in my life. Maybe it&#x27;s possible for some to accurately imagine&#x2F;prepare for the experience but I had absolutely no idea. I didn&#x27;t have the arrogance to pray for the kind of teenagers I raised. My son and daughter both share so much of my brain, the way I process things and the like but they use it <i>differently</i>. When people say &quot;your kids teach you as much as you teach them&quot;, that&#x27;s what they mean. You watch your own struggles get adapted to differently, quite often better, than you did. My son processes things with deep empathy. My daughter errs toward logic and reasoned argument. More than a few occasions, I&#x27;m stuck thinking &quot;dammit, they&#x27;re right&quot; and find myself demonstrating the act of apologizing. <i>That&#x27;s</i> a humbling experience.<p>[0] This was a wet indoor rink and though I could handle myself OK on outdoor lake ice and was very proficient with inlines on cement or gravel.<p>[1] My gaming days are behind me, frankly.<p>[2] My Dad, who was -- in every way -- a stereotypical &quot;He-Man&quot; is exactly the same way.
nickpsecurity6 months ago
That was a great article. It highlights many things I routinely hear in church about how God works through families. They and the books we read talk about how children are a gift that humbles us, starts transforming our character, and teaches us a lot. God uses children in big ways.<p>Recently, we’ve been reading Disciplines of a Godly Man by R. Kent Hughes. Today we’re to discuss the chapter on Fatherhood. I was happy to see the author had learned a few of these lessons. Here’s a few for those interested.<p>Do’s include investing time in them, speaking tenderly, teaching them, setting an example, discipline where necessary, and especially praying for them. If they have Christ, and God intervenes for them, many situations day to day work out better than if left purely to human nature. My friends strongly attest to this with many examples.<p>Don’t included too much criticism (or too little praise), excessive strictness, irritability (esp “been at work all day!”), inconsistency, and favoritism. He gives examples of each hurting relationships between fathers and sons.<p>I thought those were a nice start. Character of Christ, putting the children first (love), and some specific tips. Lastly, we can be calm knowing God is in control of every step of our future. He just expects us to act on what we’ve learned a day at a time. He’ll only let happen what needs to happen for His plan for our lives and our kids’ lives. That’s comforting.
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