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Tesla sales in Europe are down 14% year-to-date and it's time to worry

12 pointsby mfiguiere5 months ago

6 comments

Zigurd5 months ago
Is it just Tesla, or mostly Tesla? <i>&quot;If you remove Tesla from the equation, BEV sales are actually up 1.3%.&quot;</i> That&#x27;s not exactly strong growth, but it means alternatives to Tesla have caught up.
rsynnott5 months ago
The real surprise here: Hyundai is _down_? Really? Every second 2024 electric car I see seems to be an Ioniq of some sort.<p>(The other surprise for me is that Cupra is doing so well; they have one car, which is “what if an id.3, but make it weirder”. Apparently there is a market for that.)<p>It’ll be interesting to see what this is like next year; there are a bunch of cars in the 20-30k range coming out now.
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gnabgib5 months ago
Some discussion already (10 points, 6 hours ago, 4 comments) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=42461436">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=42461436</a>
nojvek5 months ago
Meanwhile Tesla with PE ratio of 121 and declining sales.<p>It’s a good time to short meme stock.
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uberman5 months ago
Tesla has a Musk problem in my opinion. Before you reflexively downvote because you love Musk, here is polling from Gallup.<p>EV potential purchasing by political affiliation:<p>* Republican: 71% would not buy<p>* Independent: 38% would not buy<p>* Democrat: 17% would not buy<p>The overwhelming result is that democrats are way more likely to own or be considering an EV than independents who are themselves overwhelming more likely to than republicans.<p>See: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.gallup.com&#x2F;poll&#x2F;474095&#x2F;americans-not-completely-sold-electric-vehicles.aspx#:~:text=not%20buy%20one.-,The%20data%20is%20from%20Gallup&#x27;s%20March%201-23%2C%202023%20poll,or%20are%20seriously%20considering%20it" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.gallup.com&#x2F;poll&#x2F;474095&#x2F;americans-not-completely...</a>.<p>Note these results are from last year, prior to Musk spending $250 million dollars to elect a lightning rod republican. I don&#x27;t want to make this a &quot;political&quot; issue, but the fact of the matter is Musk very publicly spent a quarter of a billion dollars against the interests of his core market. Hell, there are people who know Tesla is a superior product and will now not purchase one essentially against their own interests because of him.<p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2024&#x2F;nov&#x2F;29&#x2F;tesla-owners-elon-musk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2024&#x2F;nov&#x2F;29&#x2F;tesla-own...</a><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;jamesmorris&#x2F;2024&#x2F;08&#x2F;24&#x2F;is-elon-musk-driving-away-teslas-core-customers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;jamesmorris&#x2F;2024&#x2F;08&#x2F;24&#x2F;is-elon-...</a><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;autos-transportation&#x2F;would-be-tesla-buyers-snub-company-musks-reputation-dips-2024-04-01&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;autos-transportation&#x2F;would-...</a><p>Perhaps Musk feels like so publicly aligning himself with a customer base that has not been traditionally receptive will lead to sales growth, but I am skeptical. Perhaps he sees a first mover advantage to discontinued subsidies but again I am skeptical. Democrats who love the idea of purchasing an EV and can afford to do so without the subsidy will buy from Hyundai, Ford, GM, VW or Toyota, those who can&#x27;t will simply buy a gas powered car.
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quantified5 months ago
Meh. According to that chart it&#x27;s just one of many. Volkswagen shipped rougly 10x Tesla in 2023, and many other manufacturers ship into that market too.<p>A Tesla problem is not a cause for worry except for shareholders, and it&#x27;s had an insane p&#x2F;e ratio for a long time.
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