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Newly released UFO files from the UK government

57 pointsby jjp9999almost 13 years ago

8 comments

revscatalmost 13 years ago
I think at this point that there are (somewhat simplistically) two opposing camps in this debate. The first believes that UFOs are entirely the result of terrestrial phenomena, and take the Sagan/de Grasse Tyson view. The other viewpoint is that there is sufficient evidence to point to some sort of extraordinary phenomena which belies common explanation.<p>Now, this is obviously a simplistic breakdown. Broadly speaking, however, this is usually what we see in such debates. (With typically much ridicule being thrown about by both sides.) Files like these, though, give even the most hardened skeptics room for wonder. While I do not doubt the logical validity of the skeptics positions, there is nevertheless a large body of evidence (circumstantial though it may be) which becomes difficult to deny when taken in the aggregate.<p>These files are, unfortunately, just more in the circumstantial category. Although they have the "official" seal of approval they are still, at root, not hard evidence. It is frustrating to those of us who are curious about this that nothing beyond eyewitness reports ever seems to surface, no matter the source. I think most people at least pay attention to these news items, but do not know what to make of them beyond raising more questions.
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gfodoralmost 13 years ago
If you're a scientifically minded skeptic, I'd encourage you to read this book on the UFO phenomenon:<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;qid=1342503506&#38;sr=8-1&#38;keywords=leslie+kean+ufo+book" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Offici...</a><p>It's a very good read. Also, in all UFO threads there should be a disclaimer that you are not making a point by pointing out that UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object not Alien Spaceship; most people when referring to the truly unexplainable cases use them interchangeably since extraterrestrial origin is one of the few hypotheses that are consistent with the evidence, though it's never obviously conclusive.
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frankydpalmost 13 years ago
Found a great paragraph..<p>"I am afraid we have a slight political problem. This ufologist is of course the Earl of Clancart, with whom HMG exchanged views in the Lords Debate. I feel our political masters would think it improper if the RAF News should be too rude about him. I suggest the problem could be resolved without altering any of the text from "Brinsley ...." to ".....interior of the earth" but toning down the faintly derisory setting and letting the idiocy of the Earl's ideas speak for themselves."
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jay_kyburzalmost 13 years ago
Having seen a UFO myself I can safely say that there _are_ aircraft with capabilities far above that what I would expect from our own air force in our skies.<p>A friend and I witnessed formations of lights sweeping across the horizon making 90 degree turns in the blink of an eye.<p>There you go.
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Locke1689almost 13 years ago
Doesn't Bayesian statistics solve this pretty easily? I have a lot of priors for weird aeronautical and weather phenomenon (e.g., St. Elmo's fire/ball lightning), meteoroids, missiles, balloons, and secret prototype aircraft.<p>I have no priors for technologically advanced alien life.
mootothemaxalmost 13 years ago
I love the idea that governments, so incompetent in oh-so-many ways, are capable of a multiple-decade coverup involving one of the most fantastic discoveries possible, somehow managing to prevent leaks of any meaningful data, including any mention whatsoever in data dumps such as, e.g. WikiLeaks.<p>And yet still people choose to focus their energies on UFO conspiracies, despite releases like these showing the true meaning behind the term UFO: stuff that looks weird in the sky and can't be identified by the viewer.
Hari_Seldonalmost 13 years ago
The Obama administration has some believers<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/article/the-obama-administration-s-startling-ufo-connections" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/article/the-obama-administration-s-s...</a>
lekealmost 13 years ago
Hold on a sec, I thought the UK outed all their UFO cases a number of years ago.