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Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

445 pointsby sirteno5 months ago

34 comments

dang5 months ago
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csense5 months ago
Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau&#x27;s handling of the trucker protest against the government&#x27;s handling of COVID-19 [1].<p>Whatever you think of the truckers&#x27; position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system &quot;You can&#x27;t do business with those people, they&#x27;re terrorists.&quot; Patio11&#x27;s words of what happened next:<p>&quot;The assistant deputy finance minister...said...&#x27;The intent was not to get at the families&#x27;, and when a democratic government starts a sentence that way something deeply #*&amp;$#ed up has happened.&quot;<p>I&#x27;m not on the pulse of Canadian politics, so I don&#x27;t really know what sins or political circumstances have led Trudeau to this point, or if he has any redeeming qualities. Personally, I&#x27;m glad to see him gone.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bitsaboutmoney.com&#x2F;archive&#x2F;debanking-and-debunking&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bitsaboutmoney.com&#x2F;archive&#x2F;debanking-and-debunki...</a><p>(You&#x27;ll have to Ctrl+F trucker as this blog doesn&#x27;t seem to have &lt;a name&gt; for headings, as is customary on e.g. Wikipedia.)
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reverendsteveii5 months ago
Is it me or does it seem like the internet era has taken away incumbent advantage and actually put incumbents at a massive disadvantage? I&#x27;m not here to attack or defend what Trudeau has actually done, only to posit the idea that once you become a leader in the political landscape there is a very effective machine whose only job is to attack you, personally, as much as possible anywhere you&#x27;re perceived to be vulnerable. If you&#x27;ve followed US politics for the last decade the perfect example of this is &quot;tan suit&quot;.
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interestica5 months ago
He has not (yet) resigned. He has announced his intention to resign. He will step down when a new leader is selected via the internal Liberal leadership race. Additionally, Parliament is prorogued until March 24 via his request of the Governor-General.<p>“Trudeau to resign as prime minister after Liberal leadership race”<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;politics&#x2F;trudeau-news-conference-1.7423680" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;politics&#x2F;trudeau-news-conference-1.7...</a>
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RegnisGnaw5 months ago
One of my big issues with J.T. is his massive waste of money on gun control. The vast majority of guns used in crimes in Canada are illegal guns from the US, with most being hand guns.<p>The Liberals under J.T. has proposed a ban on assault style weapons (not assault weapons, mind you which are already banned) that so far has cost over $70M without guns being collected. The estimate cost is over $800M to collect them.<p>The last time we had a gun control fantasy was also under the Liberals. They proposed a long gun registry that they estimated would cost $2M a year. By the time it was cancelled 20 years later, the total cost was over $2B.
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usixk5 months ago
Current canuck here.<p>Since Trudeau has been elected the likelihood of purchasing a home or finding a job has drastically reduced and continues to fall. Rising tides raise all boats, given that the rent has risen everywhere too.<p>This creates a divide between the have and have-nots of property ownership and public or private employment. This divides ends in the individuals who have are happy since their investment skyrocketed while the have-nots are left with no hope for their future.<p>As for employment, the primary job growth is in public sector (government jobs) which are ultimately a parasitic value add to the economy.<p>Given this, it&#x27;s easy to see the negative sentiment in Trudeau and his cabinet. This sentiment seems to have hit a crescendo with the recent release of the over-shot budget deficit.<p>Thoughts?
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dismalaf5 months ago
If people can&#x27;t understand why this is happening, understand that Trudeau has been in power for 9 years and basically everything is worse than when he started. And if you want to say, &quot;Blah blah it&#x27;s happening in other countries&quot;, don&#x27;t bother. We&#x27;re becoming poorer when compared to all our peer countries.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;politics&#x2F;canada-gdp-per-capita-rich-1.7318989" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;politics&#x2F;canada-gdp-per-capita-rich-...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;economics.td.com&#x2F;ca-productivity-bad-to-worse" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;economics.td.com&#x2F;ca-productivity-bad-to-worse</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;financialpost.com&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;justin-trudeau-legacy-could-be-poorer-canada" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;financialpost.com&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;justin-trudeau-legacy-coul...</a>
nemo44x5 months ago
Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? I struggle to agree that it is. Housing is as bad as it has ever been and the immigration decisions seem to have been so careless that even people that would agree with immigration as a general principal are horrified by it by and large. The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD.<p>I guess it always ends bad if you stick around long enough.
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newfocogi5 months ago
I hadn&#x27;t heard that this was likely to happen. Any Canadians here able to weigh on whether this was expected or is a normal procedure for your elected officials?
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dang5 months ago
We changed the URL from <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;live&#x2F;clyjmy7vl64t" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;live&#x2F;clyjmy7vl64t</a>. Interested readers might want to look at both.
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dfdx5 months ago
A friend of mine recently finished his engineering PhD at the University of Toronto. He received employment offers from an American firm and a Canadian firm. The Canadian firm offered a total compensation package worth 80,000 CAD (~55,000 USD); the American firm offered him nearly 275,000 USD.
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casenmgreen5 months ago
Best of luck to our Canadian friends.
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fullshark5 months ago
That link says he&#x27;s going to stay on as PM? In the video he says he &quot;intends to resign.&quot;
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eruci5 months ago
We should have been given the choice to properly send him off in a general election.
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Tiktaalik5 months ago
I never voted for Justin Trudeau and don&#x27;t like him, but despite all the angry rhetoric right now in the long term I think he will be considered by history to be one of the better Canadian PMs.<p>Amongst the Canadian PMs I&#x27;ve experienced, Chretien, Martin, Harper, Trudeau made the most impactful and positive policy changes (eg. legal cannabis, childcare) while navigating the country through the challenges of covid and Trump NAFTA renegotiations.<p>The negatives of his term are recent and largely tied to global issues being faced by many countries right now (eg. inflation) and so I expect future historians to hand wave these away.
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pluc5 months ago
Here come the conservatives, again. Canada might not be a two-party system, but you&#x27;d never guess looking at the last hundred years.
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CHB04030854825 months ago
Is Canada a better place today?
arajnoha5 months ago
Isn&#x27;t it off-topic? Or am I missing the relevance here?
bobheadmaker5 months ago
I hope Canada gets some strong leader now that Trudeau is out!
dblohm75 months ago
This is good news. His government has been dysfunctional for some time now. It&#x27;s unfortunate that he held on for so long, as we needed a government ready to deal with Trump yesterday.
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canucker20165 months ago
This video is why Canada is different from the USA. The prime minister and other politicians will interact with comedians.<p>see <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=9Ns7EsDVNwA&amp;t=262s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=9Ns7EsDVNwA&amp;t=262s</a> for a view that every Canadian knew was coming since last summer.
SpecialistK5 months ago
So it&#x27;s all going down now eh? For those not on the pulse of CdnPoli, this is a primer I wrote a few weeks ago but is still widely relevant:<p>What we&#x27;ve been watching for the last 18 months has been the slow collapse of the governing Liberal Party, led by Justin Trudeau (LPC) - Polling and projections have been turning heavily against the LPC since last summer (2023), and the internal party cracks started showing after a by-election (special election, to fill an empty seat) loss in Toronto this summer and then one in Montreal not long after. Both Toronto and Montreal are considered the LPC&#x27;s &quot;heartland&quot; and losses there suggest that the polls are correct in predicting a huge defeat for the LPC in a general election. A few Members of Parliament (MPs) began pressuring Trudeau to step down as party leader (and therefore Prime Minister (PM)) and some announced that they would not run again. At time of writing, a third by-election has just been lost by the Liberals.<p>The next Canadian general election must be held no later than October 2025. That is because the last election was in late 2021. That 2021 election led to a &quot;minority government&quot; in which the Liberal Party won the most individual seats (districts, ridings, constituencies, etc.) but not more than half of them. As a Westminster Parliament with plurality voting (First Past the Post, winner-takes-all) coalitions are not common in Canada, and the minority government usually operates on a vote-by-vote basis with other parties, while allowing their party to form the government. Some votes, notably ones about the budget, are called &quot;confidence votes&quot; and if one fails, the government has &quot;lost the confidence of the House of Commons&quot; and must either call an election or allow opposition parties to try to gain the confidence of the house and form a new government.<p>Minority governments do not usually last the full length before another general election must be called by law. This one has lasted longer than average because the LPC signed an agreement with a smaller party called the NDP. The NDP demanded some new welfare policies such as subsidized dental care and some medications and in return would support the LPC in confidence votes. The NDP&#x27;s leader, Jagmeet Singh, announced this fall that he was ending the agreement with the LPC and would only support the government on a case-by-case basis. This is likely to save some of his party&#x27;s own polling numbers, as they have also faltered (the junior party in coalitions or similar situations almost always fall more than the senior party, worldwide) but do result in the NDP looking weak as they heavily criticize the LPC government yet vote to keep it governing the country. The NDP do not want an election right now for several reasons: their own polling numbers are not good, they can squeeze more out of a minority LPC than the Conservatives who are strong favourites to win the next election (we&#x27;ll get to them, don&#x27;t worry), the party machine is short on money (they recently spent a lot of their funds on a close provincial election in British Columbia) and possibly because Singh wants to ensure himself and a few of his MPs have been elected long enough to meet the minimum requirement for a government pension. This last point has been heavily debated and used in Conservative attack ads, so make of it what you will.<p>So, what are Canadians unhappy about? The biggest item is cost of living - most things boil down to how much it costs for a roof over your head and food in your fridge. Housing costs have been astronomical in Vancouver and Toronto for decades, but have been rapidly increasing across the country. Another is immigration - like many countries, Canada&#x27;s population is aging and there has long been a cross-partisan consensus that immigration is a great way to counter this. But since the pandemic the LPC increased immigration levels massively, especially in 2 sectors: student visas which were being taken advantage of by &quot;diploma mill&quot; shoddy private colleges that promised immigrants a pathway to residence, and low-skill temporary foreign workers (TFWs) who are employed in fast food or other entry-level positions. Not only has this put much more strain on the housing supply in major urban areas like Toronto or Vancouver, but it also brings down wages and facilitates abuse of these unfortunate people who just want to build a better life for themselves and their family. The LPC has also faced a lot of scandals. Every government is corrupt and has scandals, but there have been a lot from this government: from SNC-Lavalin and WE Charity earlier, to ArriveCAN and a cabinet minster lying about indigenous heritage to win government contracts more recently. As in the US, opioids have been devastating to Canadians, with tent encampments and overdose deaths no longer limited to just Vancouver&#x27;s infamous Downtown Eastside. Police departments complain that the justice system is not responding well to repeat offenders either due to bail reforms or bleeding-heart judges. Finally there&#x27;s the anti-incumbent bias we&#x27;ve seen in elections worldwide throughout 2024 and the Canadian trend of voting out a government after around a decade in power.<p>So let&#x27;s get into who are likely to come next - the Conservative Party of Canada (CPC), led by Pierre Polievre since 2022. The CPC was last in power under Stephen Harper from 2006-2015 and has a lot of support in the western provinces of Canada, plus competes with the LPC and NDP in the suburbs of major cities. Polievre is a pugilistic career politician who has very successfully channelled the anger Canadians are feeling into a commanding polling lead. Polievre has been called a populist because he has levied much more criticism of the LPC government than policy suggestions, and for his schtick of reducing issues into &quot;verb the noun&quot; such as &quot;axe the [carbon] tax&quot;, &quot;build the homes&quot; and &quot;end the crime.&quot; But listening to his earlier speeches in Parliament suggest that Polievre is much more of a policy &quot;wonk&quot; than his current campaigning suggests.<p>When Parliament returns in March with a new Liberal Party leader (and Prime Minister), it is almost certain to be defeated immediately and an election will be called.
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ciconia5 months ago
Is it just me or is the quality of politicians on a downward spiral? Between retirement-age out-of-touch boomers, clueless good-looking male liberals and corrupt authoritarian plutocrats, it sure feels like there&#x27;s a shortage of honest hard-working people in leadership positions.<p>I mean it is kinda obvious that the system in western democracies is structurally flawed such that there&#x27;s a selection bias for crooks and incompetent assholes (lobbying, i.e. legalized bribery), but still, how come the bad guys always seem to win? Or is this just a symptom of a deeper malady of modern society?
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TriangleEdge5 months ago
I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don&#x27;t plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I&#x27;m glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won&#x27;t be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.
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jyscao5 months ago
Should&#x27;ve done it weeks ago. Utterly shameless.
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karaterobot5 months ago
I&#x27;m having trouble learning anything from this stream of disconnected, time-sorted tweetlike objects. I&#x27;m posting this on the off chance that a better article exists, and someone can point me to it. I assume it&#x27;s too early for that though.
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thesh4d0w5 months ago
&gt; Trudeau, who is now answering questions from reporters, said his one regret of his premiership has been his failure to introduce electoral reform.<p>Oh please, you had lots of time to address this and instead you&#x27;ve just handed us to the conservatives.
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jlos5 months ago
As a close watcher of Canadian politics, here&#x27;s the best summary I can offer for those not familiar:<p><i>Overal Picture</i><p>Canada has seen gdp-per-capita decline for nearly every quarter over the past 3 years. Large stimulus spending during the pandemic fueled the housing crisis and added massive inflation. Stimulating the economy through similarly massive increases in Non-Permanent Residents has kept GDP afloat, but come at the cost of over-burdening public institutions and housing. Contiuing either policy is not possible and deeply unpopular. Canadians now pay more taxes than any US state, have housing more expensive than New York, but with productivity below that of the poorest state and our dollar running a major discount. This while our public instutions are struggling to meet demand.<p>1. Recurring themes in Canadian Politics<p>2. Recent history of the federal liberals<p>3. Current issues facing the government<p><i>Recurring Themes in Canadian Politics</i><p>- Unlike the U.S. where there are multiple strong centers of politics and commerce (East Cost, West Coast, Texas), Canada political power is centered largely along the St. Lawrence River where most of the country&#x27;s population lives.<p>- Trends arising from this include: Quebec receiving, relative to its population, outsized benefits and influence in exchange for remaining part of the country and as result of French speaking requirements for the federal government. Quebec has nearly exited the country several times<p>- Canada is still largely a resource-based economy and possess an impressive amount of natural resources: oil, natural gas, largest uranium reserves in the world, more freshwater than all other countries combined, etc.<p>- The concentration of power in the East while most resource development happening in the West, creates a quasi-colonial between the Ontario&#x2F;Quebec and the younger and resource heavy provinces, particularly the Prairies.<p>- Economically, Canada priviledges large incumbent businesses and most of its sectors are oligopolies. The reasoning for doing so historically has been to fend of larger, well funded US competitors.<p><i>Recent History of the federal liberals</i><p>- Liberals have historically have been centrist party, taking popular ideas from both socialist NDP (who have yet to win a federal election) and the federal Conservative party (itself a coaltion of social and fiscal conservatives created by Harper in the 90s).<p>- 2015 Justin Trudeau came in as the most popular Prime Minister in history with a majority government. Major legislation included legalizing weed and improvements to Child Benefits. The majority was lost in 2019 with Conservatives gaining the popular vote.<p><i>Overall Picture - In Detail</i><p>- Economic Issue #1: Lagging economy. Canada is still largely a resource based economy (see above) and business investment in that sector, and Canada overall, declined drastically starting in 2015, arguably due to increasing opportunities for resource development in the U.S. and the Canadian Federal Government stance towards non-reweables. Business investment is more a leading indicator, but still a major economic issue for Canada.<p>- Economic Issue #2: Increased cost of housing. Canadian housing costs in major cities has reached crisis levels even leading up to the pandemic. Our major cities like Toronto and Vancouver are some of the most unaffordable in the world. Most people who have been in Canada have seen housing in their cities go from achieveable-if-expensive (in major regions) to impossibly unaffordable. Most major cities now require 30+ of saving (at the average income) for a downpayment with a salary in the top 1% to purchase a home.<p>- Economic issue #3: Large inflation, combined with increased costs from consolidated markets with little competition. Not unlike other countries post-pandemic, but reports show major costs of living such as groceries have seen above-inflation levels of price increases due to industry consolidation. I.E. Many parts of Canada have one 2 major suppliers of grociers<p>- Immigration Issue #1: Non-permanent Residents. Canada has 2 classes of immigrants (aside from Refugees, whih make up a small number): Permanent Residents (PR&#x27;s) and Non-permanent residents (NPR&#x27;s). Our PR system is what is widely hailed as one of the best in the world and a point of Canadian pride. The NPR system has been substantially expanded under the Trudeau government and arguably exploited with millions of NPR&#x27;s entering as temporary workers and university students. NPR&#x27;s now consist of over 7% of the population (larger than then Indigenous population).<p>- Social Cohesion: most of Canada&#x27;s public services (healthcare, teaching, even postal services, etc) have seen substantial degradation and a struggle to meet capacity.<p>- Lastly, it should be noted that Canada has tax system well above any US state. Historically, most Canadians have not have a problem with this because of the relative strength of our public institutions.<p><i>Current Issues facing the Goverment</i><p>- If the federal liberals have an election, they will lost most of their seats. They may even lose party status. They will likely avoid this at all costs.<p>- The federal NDP are not projected to lose seats, but will lose influence they gain by upholding the minority government. They gain little from a federal election.<p>- Given an early election is not likely and Trudeau is facing revolts internally (his key finance minister and deputy PM resigned publicly in the past few weeks), the choice is to stop parliment while they look for a new PM (trudeau may act as the interim). If they choose an existing MP for PM (maybe Freeland) they risk being associated with a deeply unpopular party. If they chose an outsider (like Mark Carney), they risk just as much backlash for an unelected PM.
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spot135 months ago
This thread should be locked. It&#x27;s unbelievable the BS being spewed by all sides of the political spectrum.<p>Ultimately, the Canadian democracy has wanted a new prime minister for years and it&#x27;s abhorrent it has (and is) taking this long to let the citizens vote.
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jmyeet5 months ago
Nothing will change because no Canadian government will lower house prices and that&#x27;s what absolutely needs to happen.<p>2024 was a banner year for voting against the incumbent governments worldwide. Globally we have a cost-of-living crisis, a housing affordability crisis and a years-long decrease in the standard-of-living. Generally speaking, each country has 3 forces that are in play:<p>1. Progressives;<p>2. Neoliberals &#x2F; centrists; and<p>3. Outright fascists.<p>The French election was a prime example of how this plyas out. Macron, a centrist, very much sided with the fascists rather than the progressives, such as who he picked to be Prime Minister after the snap election he called.<p>Some say the UK is an outlier with Labor winning a massive victory. It is not. The former Labor leader, Jeremy Corbyn, was weakened by a divided electorate so he could be character-assassinated in a coordinated campaign alleging anti-semitism to be replaced by a neoliberal centrist (Keir Starmer). Starmer actually got significantly fewer votes than Corbyn did in his two elections. All that happened was the right-wing vote got split between Conservatives and Reform.<p>The US election played out similarly. Despite evidence of Biden&#x27;s cognitive decline being apparent as early as of Spring 2021, he ran for reelection and was supported by the Democratic establishment right up until a disastrous debate performance made clear his position was untenable. Nancy Pelosi reportedly wanted an open primary at the convention. Instead Kamala Harris was anointed as the Democratic establishment feared a progressive candidate would win a primary.<p>So we got a Wall Street approved centrist neoliberal platform that disrupted nothing and gave absolutely nothing to working people and had a policy platform on many issues (eg the death penalty, Israel-Palestine, immigration, deregulation) with almost no daylight between it and the Trump platform.<p>Unsurprisingly that platform lost, badly. Predictably.<p>The point here is that in every election, neoliberals are <i>way</i> more comfortable with (and will side with) fascists than leftists or pgoressives.<p>Voters, eager for change, will choose populism because they aren&#x27;t being offered any alternative. But nobody wants to address the root causes here: housing unaffordability and massive wealthy inequality.<p>Too many people are invested in their house as an investment, as their nest-egg. House prices absolutely have to come down and nobody wants to hear that. Canada is a real estate bubble, just like pretty much every other Western nation.<p>People will cling to their house prices as society crumbles around them.
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CrzyLngPwd5 months ago
The Zelensky curse strikes again.
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TaurenHunter5 months ago
For liberals to give up power in both Canada and US so hurriedly, there must something really bad brewing that they don&#x27;t want to be blamed for.
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gpi5 months ago
I was expecting this to be a Beaverton article.
imzadi5 months ago
It&#x27;s worth keeping in mind that truck strikes have been used to disrupt infrastructure to prepare for coups.