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Dell will no longer make XPS computers

77 pointsby MRPockets5 months ago

18 comments

legitster5 months ago
I really appreciate when brands just name things like they are.<p>Nothing is less fun than cross-shopping products and there are a bunch of arbitrary brand differences. &quot;Precisions are their <i>portable workstations</i>. <i>Latitudes</i> are their ultrabooks. Duh! XPS is their premium consumer laptop!&quot;.<p>Marketing departments tend to get addicted to the smell of their own farts. But I don&#x27;t think consumers care about particular sub-brand names. We already saw this a decade ago in the automotive space where manufacturers ditched their unnecessary marquees (Pontiac, Mercury, Oldsmobile, Saturn). And I think we will see this trend continue into more industries (like hotel chains).
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InvisibleUp5 months ago
I feel like the headline is burying the lede here: every Dell sub-brand is going away expecting for the new “Pro” and “Pro Max”. Reminds me a lot of how Apple in the late 90s got rid of their Performa&#x2F;Centris&#x2F;Quadra&#x2F;etc. for more obvious, matter-of-fact names.
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Oxodao5 months ago
I&#x27;m not sure if it&#x27;s just me or a common feeling, but XPS laptops from the last few years (at least 2020 onward) felt really poor quality for &quot;professional&quot; computers. Especially regarding their main competitors (mbp &amp; thinkpads). All the XPS we had at work had issues and particularly bad battery life even before the one year mark.. For those who didn&#x27;t have their battery swollen.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t have thought that such a recognizable brand as the XPS line would fade for &quot;AI PC&quot; BS but heh
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vel0city5 months ago
I always felt like a lot of these computer sub brand names were rather confusing. Inspiron? Presario? Precision? XPS? ProBook? EliteBook? zBook? Envy? What are the real cross comparisons here?<p>Personally, I&#x27;m OK with these computer manufacturers cleaning up their product line.
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kwanbix5 months ago
&quot;They’re replacing all of these old brands with Dell, Dell Pro, and Dell Pro Max, and within each of these, there will be three tiers: Base, Plus, and Premium.&quot;<p>I am a Lenovo guy myself, however I like what they are trying to do. If they actually do a good separation, that would be great. If they only do 9 level of computers, that would be a good change.<p>Kinda ThinkPad T, X, P. But more clear. And again, I only use ThinkPads T, P, or Xs.
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pjmlp5 months ago
On a tangent, I was never able to acquire XPS with Linux, the online store for various European countries always showed it as non available.
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registeredcorn5 months ago
If it makes easier to describe which are the low end, and which are the high end, that&#x27;s fine, I guess? I just hate when terms get shoved together like that...&quot;pro max&quot;? What&#x27;s the next flagship going to be? &quot;Pro Max Ultra&quot;? Then the &quot;Pro Max Ultra+&quot;? Then the &quot;Platinum Pro Max Ultra+ Plus&quot;? Then the ELITE SERIES Platinum Pro-Maximus Ultronic+ Plus Performance&quot;?<p>It&#x27;s all just smushing a bunch of words for &quot;really good&quot; together and pretending like it means something different or unique. If something is maximum, it <i>is the maximum</i> - A maximum grade exceeds a &quot;professional grade&quot; the way an &quot;enterprise subscription&quot; is larger than &quot;team subscription&quot;.<p>In an ideal scenario, it would simply be: &quot;Basic, Advanced, and Maximum&quot;. I get the issue though. Sales want to be able to move products, and its an issue if people don&#x27;t want to feel poor by buying the &quot;basic&quot; one, but can&#x27;t afford the higher models. Fine! If the want to use more market-y terms, why not something like: &quot;Quality, Premium, and Luxury&quot;?<p>I would also presume that that would be specific to consumer grade. A business-grade line would be much easier. Keep the model names clear and obvious for Purchasing &amp; Logistics people: &quot;Basic, Performance, Executive&quot;. Basic is for grunt work who need internet access for a WebApp, but not much else. Performance is for finance, or whoever deals with a lot of wear and tear. Executive is thinner and fancier looking, but about as weak as basic model but can open Excel and PowerPoint.
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archero5 months ago
I once heard a repair tech say that XPS stands for “eXpensive Piece of Sh*t” and now that always comes to mind, although it never totally made sense to me as I didn’t think they were particularly expensive. I have an XPS and I did replace the battery at one point, but other than that I think it performed fairly well for my simple needs. I think I paid $499 for it around 2018.
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arjie5 months ago
Haha, what an end to an era on the brand. Some 16 years ago, my parents bought me the only XPS laptop I&#x27;d own: an XPS M1330 [0]. I&#x27;ve still got in a closet here, but I used it for eight years or so. Six years after purchase, it looks like it was still a pretty good machine[1] and had near perfect Linux compatibility. The real wonder for me was that the bootloaders for the Power button on that laptop and the MediaDirect button were separate, so I actually had it set up so that if I hit the MediaDirect button it would go to Ubuntu and the Power button would send it to Windows!<p>Pretty neat trick. The only thing is that something about the way the video framebuffer was set up when you hit the MediaDirect button made the GRUB interface laggy. After that, the kernel resets everything and all is well!<p>This particular laptop was part of the infamous batch of bad G84 series of Nvidia graphics chips. The BGA soldering on the GPUs would crack under thermal stress, but you could reflow it with a heat gun or using the oven (crazy for a semi-plastic device!). In my case, it happened early enough that XPS support replaced my motherboard a few times. They actually met me wherever I was with the part to replace the board and the tech would do it for me at home. Overall, that was the finest customer support experience I ever had. I&#x27;m a fickle guy, though. It wasn&#x27;t enough to keep me with the brand and I eventually ended up with a Macbook.<p>It&#x27;s funny. After posting this I googled my name and XPS M1330 and found a post where I was trying to boot off the SD card. I was fascinated by this idea back then that I could just carry my OS on an SD card and then people couldn&#x27;t see any of my stuff unless they had that specific SD card: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dell.com&#x2F;community&#x2F;en&#x2F;conversations&#x2F;laptops-general-locked-topics&#x2F;xps-m1330-mediadirect-partition-boot-from-card-reader&#x2F;647e9990f4ccf8a8de23835d" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dell.com&#x2F;community&#x2F;en&#x2F;conversations&#x2F;laptops-gene...</a> . Sadly the XPS M1330 didn&#x27;t work for that, but I think I did it with a USB stick (which is unfortunately more noticeable - back then they were bulky!).<p>0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20150811070526&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arjie.com&#x2F;2008&#x2F;04&#x2F;18&#x2F;xps-dellivered&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20150811070526&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arjie.com...</a><p>1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20150811065240&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arjie.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;17&#x2F;happy-birthday-laptop&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20150811065240&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arjie.com...</a>
kibwen5 months ago
The first computer I ever owned was the original XPS laptop, circa 2004. It weighed as much as a corgi, was as thick as a Chicago deep dish pizza and gave out first-degree burns if your shorts rode up too high. The top outer panel was a beautifully garish noise pattern of deep green and purple ribbons, and the screen was so heavy that the hinges shattered within a year and the screen was ever after held up by two duct-tape suspenders, which thankfully didn&#x27;t impede the keyboard much since the thing was as wide as a city block.
chad1n5 months ago
So when I buy a Dell laptop now (won&#x27;t happen), I need to ask for Dell Pro Premium package and make sure that the seller doesn&#x27;t mistake it for Plus version or Base. Why would you go for &quot;easier&quot; names and go for 3 subcategories with the same name within 3 other categories. Just sell Dell&#x2F;Dell Pro&#x2F;Dell Pro Max (even the names are copied from Apple) with different specs, why give them subcategories
hiharryhere5 months ago
Dell as the name of the laptop itself makes no sense. Like Apple replacing ‘MacBook’ with ‘Apple’.
xnx5 months ago
I got a refurb XPS from the Dell store on eBay. Its problems are numerous, but not fatal. I do appreciate that it has a 17&quot; display. I&#x27;m not sure anyone(?) does large screens on laptops anymore.
mgaunard5 months ago
Clickbait, they&#x27;re just renaming their models.
AdmiralAsshat5 months ago
Well I guess I won&#x27;t be getting a <i>new</i> XPS with Linux when this 9343 finally dies, then...
LeftHandPath5 months ago
To be replaced with &quot;Dell,&quot; &quot;Dell Pro&quot;, and &quot;Dell Pro Max&quot;... Those tiers seem oddly familiar. They also throw away what I thought, as a proud long-time Dell Precision owner, was decent branding of their different lines for various market segments. But maybe it&#x27;s a good thing - most major brands seem to offer too many laptop choices.<p>Shopping for a laptop recently has left me, ironically, running for Mac. The experience on <i>most</i> windows laptop vendor sites is awful:<p>- Dell&#x27;s sales page focuses on proprietary names like &quot;ExpressCharge TM&quot;, &quot;Stealth Mode&quot;, &quot;ComfortView TM&quot;, &quot;Cryo-Tech TM&quot;, etc, that mean nothing to me [0]. It also gave me a pop-up when I went to a specific laptop&#x27;s page.<p>- HP has way too many categories on the landing page [1]. I mistook &quot;Elitebook Ultra&quot; for their top-of-the-line, but then discovered they&#x27;re $3000 lightweight notebooks with Snapdragon chips and Qualcomm GPUs. The first and second laptops shown appear to have identical specs, but differ in price by $2000 [2]. Trying my luck elsewhere, going to &quot;ProBook&quot; gives me no less than 53 options to read and sort through [3].<p>- Lenovo is actually decent [4]! The product lines are named well and properly explained. The UI isn&#x27;t as pretty as HP&#x27;s, but it&#x27;s a lot more functional.<p>- Asus overall [5] isn&#x27;t great (more proprietary names like &quot;SmartHinge&quot; and aesthetic-focused product descriptions). However, the Asus ProArt site is done fairly well [6].<p>Almost every windows laptop feels like it&#x27;s trying to sell me on everything that <i>isn&#x27;t</i> specs. &quot;SmartHinge&quot;. &quot;Stealth Mode&quot;. &quot;Youthful&quot; aesthetics. Weird proprietary bloatware and extended warranties.<p>And, even on the sites that don&#x27;t give me confusing marketing, I&#x27;m left to figure out whether I need Windows &quot;Pro&quot; or &quot;Home&quot;, what the hell Copilot+ is (a $20&#x2F;mo upsell [7] that I&#x27;m guessing the laptop will forever beg me to add, like OneDrive used to), and if I a guide to get rid of spyware, bloatware, ads, auto-installed candycrush, and other anti-consumer jabs once I actually buy the thing (like I did with Windows 10 when it first released). And then fight every month or two when it inexplicably can&#x27;t find the license for Office I pay monthly, for and locks me out of all of my documents.<p>With a Macbook, contrarily, I know I can actually research the silicon, figure out the specs, and actually get what I ordered &#x2F; expected. I also know I won&#x27;t have to fight the OS nearly as much, even if Apple has its own upsell attempts, anti-consumer warranty&#x2F;repair problems, etc. I never would&#x27;ve expected to feel that way. Especially not 10-15 years ago.<p>But maybe Dell&#x27;s rebrand helps them move back in that direction a little.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dell.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;shop&#x2F;dell-laptops&#x2F;scr&#x2F;laptops" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dell.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;shop&#x2F;dell-laptops&#x2F;scr&#x2F;laptops</a><p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hp.com&#x2F;us-en&#x2F;shop&#x2F;cat&#x2F;laptops" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hp.com&#x2F;us-en&#x2F;shop&#x2F;cat&#x2F;laptops</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hp.com&#x2F;us-en&#x2F;shop&#x2F;mdp&#x2F;hp-elitebook-ultra-3074457345617968668--1&#x2F;hp-elitebook-ultra-3074457345617968669--1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hp.com&#x2F;us-en&#x2F;shop&#x2F;mdp&#x2F;hp-elitebook-ultra-3074457...</a><p>[3]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hp.com&#x2F;us-en&#x2F;shop&#x2F;vwa&#x2F;laptops&#x2F;brand=ProBook" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hp.com&#x2F;us-en&#x2F;shop&#x2F;vwa&#x2F;laptops&#x2F;brand=ProBook</a><p>[4]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lenovo.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;en&#x2F;laptops&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lenovo.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;en&#x2F;laptops&#x2F;</a><p>[6]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.asus.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;proart&#x2F;laptops-home&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.asus.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;proart&#x2F;laptops-home&#x2F;</a><p>[7]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pcmag.com&#x2F;explainers&#x2F;what-is-microsoft-copilot" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pcmag.com&#x2F;explainers&#x2F;what-is-microsoft-copilot</a>
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rbanffy5 months ago
Pro and Pro Max? Really? No Ultra?
daft_pink5 months ago
Sounds like just Dell products will be absolute garbage.