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How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

143 pointsby fhoxhalmost 13 years ago
Direct link to video here: https://vimeo.com/45485034

20 comments

latchalmost 13 years ago
While it's really interesting to debate whether you should eat potatoes or beef, the real battle for the western world is that we stop eating processed foods. Wheat vs eggs seems like a silly debate when people are living off of Coke, Oreos and Capt'N Crunch.<p>Whenever I hear these arguments, I feel like these scientists aren't living in the same world as me. "Eggs are ok, declare scientists" reads the headline while the man sips from 32 oz soda.<p>In addition to that, having no education in biology, chemistry or any field remotely associated with health and fitness, I do have two eyes. In light of all the contradicting information and conspiracy theories, I'll trust what I've observed. And, what I've observed, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that people who favor fruits and vegetables, grains and legumes over beef, pork and fatty foods are healthier.
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blueSky1989almost 13 years ago
Twelve years ago I had read too many peer-reviewed papers to know that low-cholesterol diets were a bad idea, and useless from the point of view of having a good blood-cholesterol profile.<p>Useless because, for example, population study after population study showed that low-cholesterol diets did not improve blood-cholesterol. Furthermore, it was common to find populations with high-cholesterol diets that had an excellent blood-cholesterol profile, and, conversely, populations with low-cholesterol diets and a bad blood-cholesterol profile.<p>A bad idea because, among other things, low-cholesterol diets will immediately lower your blood Testosterone. Recall that cholesterol is the most basic steroid; from it, all other steroids, including anabolic androgenic steroids such as Testosterone, are metabolized. A diet with a good amount of cholesterol is a necessary condition to achieve good levels of Testosterone.<p>Why would a hacker care about his Testosterone levels?? Some examples:<p>Males with high Testosterone perform better in arithmetic and mathematics than males with low testosterone. Males with high Testosterone levels have better short-term-memory. Males with high Testosterone have good mood; whereas low Testosterone causes depression, mood-swings, and angry reactions to minor things.<p>So, for at least 12 years, I have made it a point to have two jumbo eggs for breakfast. And that's not the only source of cholesterol and saturated fat in my diet. I do, however, make sure that I do not ingest too much saturated fat ... and there are too many more details to my diet to discuss here.
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bitsodaalmost 13 years ago
How about we all just eat real food? Stay in the perimeter of the super market -- with the exception of some canned fish -- and you should be okay. You can't go wrong with fruit, vegetables, meat, seafood, tubers, nuts, and seeds. As for wheat...come on, don't kid yourself. A refined white powder that is highly processed is not real food. Drink water, exercise a few times a week, and get some sun. If nothing else, living this way will make you healthier than most Americans.
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robbiepalmost 13 years ago
Our body doesn't posess the enzymes to dehydrate saturated fats, therefore we can't process them as efficiently, Additionally saturated fats lead to cell membrane instability and 'crystallisation' due to the straight-line chemical arrangement of the carbon atoms. Cis - (A type of) unsaturated fats by contrast, have kinks in the chains which induces fluidity into cell membranes. Interestingly Cholesterol is used to maintain membrane stability/'fine-tune' membrane fluidity when there are lots of Cis fats.<p>I haven't listened to the whole talk yet and take it the poster's angle is that there is a lot more to diet, nutrition and preventable diseases like Ischaemic heart disease than just 'saturated fats and cholesterol'. Yes. No doubt. But they are still terrible for you in high doeses, Epidemiological studies have shown this beyond a doubt and the basic science is sound.
fhoxhalmost 13 years ago
Google's cache for this article:<p><a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?client=safari&#38;rls=en&#38;q=cache:http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/how-did-we-come-to-believe-saturated-fat-and-cholesterol-are-bad-for-us&#38;ie=UTF-8&#38;oe=UTF-8" rel="nofollow">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?client=safari&#...</a>
user49598almost 13 years ago
I believe it coincided with converting to a nearly sedentary culture. Nothing is as bad for you as being sedentary and since many/most people refuse to exercise, and you can't buy exercise pills (let alone get people to take them), you have to get people to want to cut down on the stuff their body isn't using.<p>Cholesterol isn't bad, saturated fat isn't bad, but if you're sitting around all day festering so are they.<p>Nutrition is far from an exact science and humans from around the world react to foods differently in subtle ways giving any Nutritional conclusions limited relevance.<p>IMHO, The 2 most important things you can do are exercise and pay attention to your body. Also, a lot of these "mis-conceptions" come from media and laymen thinking that phrases like "a link between saturated fat and heart disease" imply causation.<p>Remembered one more thing: A lot of shit food is loaded with saturated fat and cholesterol (and salt and sugar). Frozen dinners, snack cakes and fast food are some great examples. These products, which significantly contribute to the fattening of the world, help give their main flavor sources a bad name.
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waivejalmost 13 years ago
Summary: bad science led to low fat diet craze. Reduce carbohydrates instead.
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shakesbeardalmost 13 years ago
At my former company we had free access to beverages (sodas, water, energy drinks, ... even beer). I gained a lot of weight while working there. After I quit I stopped drinking sodas altogether, while mainly keeping my diet (vegetarian, one "big" meal per day + snacking) and level of physical activity. I lost about 18kg (40 pounds) in about 2 months. Went from 103kg to 85kg. I'm 1.84m so that's an ok weight I guess.<p>So that worked for me ... drinking water.
tokenadultalmost 13 years ago
Is the link submitted here throwing 403 errors for other HN users? I notice that many comments here on HN could just as well be responding to the bare title alone, whether or not the participant has read the fine article. Until I can read the article (I can't so far after repeated attempts), I'll give some history of how the cholesterol hypothesis was developed.<p>Ancel Keys, a member of the Terman longitudinal study of high-IQ children and inventor of the K ration for United States soldiers during World War II,<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7213-2004Nov23.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7213-2004Nov2...</a><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/23/obituaries/23keys.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/23/obituaries/23keys.html?_r=...</a><p>was active at the University of Minnesota in some key years of his career.<p><a href="http://mbbnet.umn.edu/firsts/blackburn_h.html" rel="nofollow">http://mbbnet.umn.edu/firsts/blackburn_h.html</a><p>He did studies of human nutrition, including starvation, in an intellectual milieu that included some of the first studies (by other researchers) on surgery to treat heart disease. (It was the surgical research that prompted my mother, a nurse, to move to Minnesota after completing nursing training in another state.) Keys hoped to find a dietary explanation for the prevalence of heart disease in industrialized countries, and he thought his regression methods of statistical analysis pointed to dietary fat and cholesterol as the main risks factors for heart disease. He lived to the age of 100, so it's hard to say that he was completely crazy in his ideas, but the idea that cholesterol intake from the diet alone is the whole story in heart disease rates is now generally discredited, and it is especially controversial to say that a diet of the kind he recommended is as good for all-cause mortality reduction as it appears to be for heart disease reduction.<p>Like all other members of the Terman longitudinal study, Keys was never awarded the Nobel Prize. Two young people who were rejected for the Terman study (William Shockley and Luis Alvarez) because their IQ scores were too low later went on to win a Nobel Prize in physics (in separate years).
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zaderalmost 13 years ago
Site appears to be down. The Google cache is here:<p><a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tAI5zmCTTDUJ:eatingacademy.com/nutrition/how-did-we-come-to-believe-saturated-fat-and-cholesterol-are-bad-for-us+&#38;cd=1&#38;hl=en&#38;ct=clnk" rel="nofollow">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tAI5zmC...</a><p>But the meat of his presentation appears to be this video, available on Vimeo:<p><a href="http://vimeo.com/45485034" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/45485034</a>
bhaueralmost 13 years ago
Thumbs up for Frederic Bastiat quote. Thumbs down for presumably hosting with WordPress.
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mbrown77almost 13 years ago
Check out Fat Head. A Documentary response to Super Size Me that discusses how what we "know" about fat and cholesterol was the result of a politician lining his pockets by pushing the agenda of one of his friends in the business world <a href="http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Fat_Head/70115017?trkid=2361637" rel="nofollow">http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Fat_Head/70115017?trkid=23...</a>
gkcnalmost 13 years ago
403 - Forbidden
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schultklalmost 13 years ago
I defer to Walter C. Willet, M.D., who writes in "Eat, Drink, and Be Healthy" (co-developed with the Harvard School of Public Health):<p>"There's no question that two types of fat -- saturated fat, the kind that's abundant in whole milk or red meat, and trans fats, which are found in many margarines and vegetable shortenings -- contribute to the artery-clogging process that leads to heart disease, stroke, and other problems...monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats found in olive oil and other vegetable oils, nuts, whole grains, other plant products, and fish -- are good for your heart.... Our bottom line is this: It is perfectly fine to get more than 30 percent of your daily calories from fats as long as most of those fats are unsaturated."<p>"The term saturated means that the carbon atoms in a chain hold as many hydrogen atoms as they can...saturated fats come in gradations of bad...butter and other dairy products most strongly increase LDL (bad) cholesterol. Those in beef fat aren't quite as powerful at boosting LDL and those in chocolate and cocoa butter have an even smaller impact."<p>HDL and LDL are lipoproteins: "...fats must somehow get from your digestive system to your cells...like oil and water, fats and blood don't mix. If your intestines or liver simply dumped digested fats into your blood, they would congeal into unusable globs. Instead fat is packaged into protein-covered particles that mix easily with blood and flow with it. These tiny particles, called lipoproteins (lipid plus protein), contain some cholesterol to help stabilize the particles.<p>"Lipoproteins are generally classified by the balance of fat and protein they contain. Those with a little fat and a lot of protein are heavier and more dense than the lighter, fluffier, and less dense particles that are more fat than protein. The proteins also act like address labels that help the body route fat-filled particles to specific destinations.<p>"LDL is often referred to as the bad cholesterol...they can end up inside cells that line blood vessels. Once there, LDL is attacked by highly reactive free radicals and transformed into oxidized LDL. Oxidized LDL can damage the artery lining and kick off a cascade of reactions that clog the artery and set the scene for artery-blocking blood clots.<p>"In contrast, HDL particles sponge up excess cholesterol from the lining of blood vessels and elsewhere and carry it to the liver for disposal."<p>He goes on to list several studies: Ancil Keys' 1956 international survey called the Seven Countries Study which found a strong link between saturated fat and heart disease; the Framingham Heart Study, which identified high levels of cholesterol as linked to impending heart disease; the Nurses' Health Study and the Health Professionals Follow-Up Study (both very large cohort studies); the Lyon Diet Heart Study; and others. "In the 1950s and 1960s, dozens of carefully controlled feeding studies among small groups of volunteers showed conclusively that when saturated fat replaced carbohydrate in the diet, total cholesterol levels in the blood rose...."<p>The book also talks about the challenges of practical, large-scale studies of nutrition "in the wild": it's not easy to track and correlate people's eating habits over decades, for any number of reasons.
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waivejalmost 13 years ago
Try this for the video: <a href="http://vimeo.com/45485034" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/45485034</a>
activepeanutalmost 13 years ago
I've always wondered if the saturated fat in coconuts is bad for you..
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doolsalmost 13 years ago
Can someone summarise the vid? It won't play on Android ...
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ioquatixalmost 13 years ago
Why is this on Hacker News?
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adv0ralmost 13 years ago
Here in Scandinavia is quite popular a diet based on butter and fat. They were abusing it so much that they had a crisis : the butter shortage.<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204553904577102332973418996.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020455390457710...</a><p>funny, isn't it?
sabatalmost 13 years ago
Science?
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