While I have been using Linux since 1996 or so, and do have quite an opinionated workflow, I never could agree with this kind of ultraconservative approach to things. History never stops. Things change. Linux changes. Not every day, not every month, but every couple of years something has to go. And that's ok.
<i>I didn't have internet access, except for a 56 kB/s modem at school, to which I could use every 1-2 weeks for a few hours.</i><p>Good memories. I started using Linux in 1994 when I was 12 (first attempt was in 1993, but our computer only had 2MB RAM then). Then started the tug of war with my younger brother how much of our 40MB hard drive could used for Linux and how much for DOS + games.<p>We only got 56k6 in 1999 or so and DSL in 2004 or so. I first got Linux distributions on CD-ROMs distributed through magazines (lucky to get a CD-ROM drive in 1993) and later through Wallnut Creek or Infomagic CD-ROMs. Learned through an early Dutch Linux book that I found and by reading through all the HOWTOs.<p>In 1998 a friend and I had a small business of ordering Cheapbytes CD-ROMs from the US and relabeling them and then selling them for much more locally. His parents had a credit card and they had internet at home, so we could do business :). Through some miracle (choosing free Tripod hosting), our website is still online in its 1998 glory, including screenshots:<p><a href="https://linuxlop.tripod.com" rel="nofollow">https://linuxlop.tripod.com</a><p><i>The last straw for me was when they installed systemd everywhere instead of System-V init or BSD-style init.</i><p>I disagree with the conservatism. A lot of new Linux developments are really exciting, e.g. NixOS has felt like a paradigm shift and part of it is made nicer by modern init.
I have found openbsd to be one of the best unix desktop systems. Which is strange as that is not something they advertise as being good at. A large part of this is familiarity with the system(surprise, if you use a system a lot, you get comfortable with it) but some of it is this subtle feeling that the developers actually use it as a daily driver, which is often not the case with many linux systems.<p>Now there are some huge caveats to this statement, When I say unix desktop I mean fairly bare bones terminal heavy classic unix type operating environment, If you want something more like a mac or windows desktop, but don't want to use mac or windows, than a linux distro offering that is probably more suitable. But openbsd does.. ok... here as well.<p>Most problems with the heavy wimp style desktop environments are system administration related, where they don't understand openbsd system administration. personally I prefer cli based administration tools, and get a bit agitated when I have to worry about conflicting with some unknown desktop manager app that also wants to admin the system. So this works out great for me.
I learned how to do some things in a Unix shell in 1989, like cat, sort, uniq, and piping them together. Now it is 2025, and I am still doing those things, on the Linux box I am typing on now, or some servers I log onto, or in the shell of the MacBook Pro I sometimes use.<p>Whereas I use an IDE to program Android - in 2011 I was using Eclipse with an Android Developer tool plugin. Then in 2014 Android Studio became the favored IDE, so I had to learn a whole new IDE to do what I was doing before. Speaking of my Linux box and MBP, to go to a line in Android Studio with Linux is Control-G, whereas on an MBP it is Command-L ( <a href="https://developer.android.com/studio/intro/keyboard-shortcuts" rel="nofollow">https://developer.android.com/studio/intro/keyboard-shortcut...</a> ).<p>Over the years I learned how to do more things (not enough!) with awk, sed, redirecting STDIN, STDOUT and STDERR, various shell things. It is nice as I accumulated this knowledge over 35 years that I can still use it, and it isn't just effectively tossed out like learning Eclipse IDE keybindings was (and mapping them to AS didn't make much sense to me).
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> Git renamed the branch master to main<p>No, it didn't. Git's default branch is still "master", although it warns you the default is subject to change.
This is reminiscent of my own experience with Linux, but I didn't go the developer route and instead ended up in product management via sysadmin and consulting. Through the years, the thousands of hours I spent experimenting with Linux in ~2004-2008 as a teenager has stuck with me. I fondly remember printing the Gentoo install guide out and installing it offline because I had some early Linksys wireless adapter that was super flaky.
I worked on Tandy Business Systems with Xenix, 8" floppies, oh the power. I have used many flavors over the years. Also played with Mac's and Windows 3.0 to XP. I prefer a Unix/Linux environment any day. It is a toolkit, designed for you to "glue the components you need" to do the job. A different approach.<p>It (Unix) allows me to do what I want, the way I want it, when I want it. Its free, powerful, not a resource pig, and once you master the shell, you can do just about anything you can think of. It puts the power in the users hands.<p>An introduction to Unix/Linux: <a href="http://crn.hopto.org/intro.html" rel="nofollow">http://crn.hopto.org/intro.html</a>
The guy had issue with iproute2 replacing ifconfig? I mean, the first time I've learned about iproute2 I've switched and never looked back. It's so much better.<p>And SystemD again? Oh noes.<p>Reminds me of a guy who was stuck on GRUB and used LILO about the time grub2 was released.<p>Some people are weird. No idea why is this on HN.
"I still don't understand where idea "if you solving a problem and decide to use regular expressions, then now you have two problems" came from."<p>Nor do I. I have surmised it arose from people trying to use RE in non-systems programming languages. As opposed to people writing console utilities in a systems programming language or using such utilities to administer a UNIX-like OS.
>Looking back, I can say that the knowledge and skills I gained became the basis that I still use today. It turns out that it is very useful to be alone with Linux, when you only have access to a book, man pages and source codes<p>This is my experience also in learning UN*X, but that was with IN/ix then Coherent probably 10 or maybe 20 years before. To me, that is the best way to learn. Coherent's book was the best I have ever seen.
This was a very fun article to read. It was so much like my own story. I grew up in rural USA with very limited access to the Internet. A teacher introduced us to Linux, I saved money and built a computer, and had a wonderful (though sometimes frustrating) experience installing Gentoo from CDs and printed handbooks.
This was a pleasant little read. I see some echoes to how my own usage of Linux since starting with it back as a teenager in 2009 has evolved. Especially moving to i3wm / Sway after realizing I actually neither need nor particularly like "fancy" WM animations eating up my cycles.
My experience is vaguely similar, but a decade earlier and longer and without much distro hopping. I touched SLS and Slackware first, but settled on Red Hat by the mid 1990s for consistency on my i386 and DEC Alpha hardware. Then I just followed through with Fedora and some CentOS.<p>For the longest time, my workflow has been almost all XTerm and whatever X11 enabled emacs came with the distro. I've reluctantly used other terminal programs pushed by the distros. For work: autotools, make, and gcc before shifting mostly to Python. Plus BSD Mail or Mutt, until enterprise login forced me to Thunderbird. And Netscape and Firefox.<p>I used to have to run Windows in a VM for office tools like Powerpoint and MS Word, but over time have been able to just use openoffice/libreoffice, partly because they got better at opening MS files, and partly because my career shifts and the changing world around me reduced the need for full MS compatibility.<p>I've developed a strong "data orientation" and a feeling for the short half-life of most software. My important artifacts are data files that I carry forward over years/decades, moving from system to system and tool to tool. I have a strong distaste for proprietary file formats and other data silos where the content is tightly bound to particular software. Consequently, I also dislike or distrust software with a premise of having such silos.<p>While I have quite a bit of skill and practice at building complex, distributed systems from my mostly academic CS career, I'm sort of an outsider to many popular end user practices. I dislike things like integrated IDEs, mobile phone apps, and cloud SaaS that all feel like the antithesis of my interests. Ironically, I have more understanding of how to build these things than I do for why anybody wants to embrace them. I don't actually want to eat the dog food, no matter how well I think we made it...
Great read... thanks!<p>"And given the lack of access to the Internet, I couldn’t figure out what else to do with Linux.."<p>The 'good old days' of learning a computer without the internet. You had books or, in my case, my dads university books... oh and I had Microsoft Encarta. LOL.<p>While I am responsible avoiding the distractions of the internet, I still prefer disconnect from the internet at times. Sure, it has its powers with quick searching for answers but when you learn by doing (rather than copying/pasting) it releases great vibes to the mind - and what you learn sticks!<p>I can picture teenagers today trying to learn but end up doom-scrolling on tiktok or other... or distracted by other "content" that is easily accessibly than ever. A Windows 3.1 or 95 computer was as good to whats installed.<p>Todays computers have the same thing, but everything else the internet throws at you. Its easy to lose track, even for people in their 40s today.
As a Linux console user since 1991, my biggest disappointment was the removal of console scroll-back (removed in 5.9). One can still use "screen" to to scroll back, but it just isn't the same.<p><a href="https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/714692/how-to-scroll-back-in-linux-virtual-consoles-2022" rel="nofollow">https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/714692/how-to-scrol...</a>
This is an article about preferring to use Linux over Windows, not using the Linux console without graphics. The author's screenshots clearly show a GUI.<p>Sorry but this is an important dinstinction to me because I actually know people who insist on using the Linux Console.
18 years? Filthy casual, jk ;)<p>I can't remember how long, but I started when you had to make a stack of 3.5 floppies to install... More than 30years ago.<p>Long before that, I was using 4DOS to create best "shell" possible on Microsoft. ~14 yr old.
I thought this post was going to be about avoiding using a GUI at all. 20 years ago or so I was running linux that way for a bit, just with every different take on a different virtual terminal. Mplayer playing video to the framebuffer if I need it, one terminal for mp3blaster, a couple of terminals for coding/editing etc. If I really needed it I could have a gui on one terminal for browsing also.<p>I still see people doing that kind of thing nowadays, but I mostly think it's an oddity or a quirk. GUI makes the same thing simpler without any downsides.<p>As for staying in the linux console in general, it's so much more efficient for so many things once you know, but it's not always superior, and it's odd to me there will always be people who argue that it is.<p>> There's no longer the same level of passion around which people wage wars over which Linux distribution is best.<p>Yeah, that was always kind of weird, not to mention the many contrarian BSD users. All the linux distros found their niche, and most now are a variation of some other distro with a different default desktop environment. These days the religious war is over systemd I think.<p>> Some people find it easier to select files to copy with the mouse in Nautilus, while others prefer to use the cp ~/photos/{photo,video}_*.{jpeg,jpg,JPG,avi} /media/BACKUP<p>This just depends on the use case. Trying to select photos containing a certain person only named numerically is much easier in a gui with thumbnails than on console.
I remain amazed that my dinosaur "shells and editors" workflow, which I've been using more or less unchanged for 30+ years and which really dates from the very earliest Unix GUIs on things like Sun 3's...<p>... remains genuinely preferable to <i>any other tooling</i> that's come along since. Obviously lots of people disagree and will stick to their full screen VSCode Windows or whatever and that's fine. But... a lot of people agree with me too! After four decades!<p>Really, a (very privileged) geek running a new emacs build on a 3/60 in 1986 or whatever was operating a development environment that wouldn't need significant improvement until at least <i>her grandchildrens' careers</i>. That's pretty amazing.
This is the linux I remember and loved. I can tolerate it today. In rare cases I configure it back to normal, but only if it’s a great obstacle (like coloring ls output to the background color of a terminal).
I use computers since the 8 bit home computers were a novelty, and DIY hardware was still something common on electronic hardware shops, I don't get the console love, we put up with it back then, because we could not afford anything better.<p>Yes, it does have <i>some</i> useful use cases, that is about it.
I've been using for more than a decade as my desktop system and I'm still running into freezing and black screen issues. Things got worse after buying a laptop with a dedicate NVIDA graphics card and using Fedora.
I guess that's the difference with me? My first *nix was NetBSD in 1993, then it was a mix of Linux and Windows for some years (with a short dalliance into QNX), and then OSX in the mix. Some work in the terminal with vi, IDEs ranging from Borland 3 to VS to Codewarrior to NetBeans to Xcode and Android Studio and VS Code and everything in between.<p>And yet I never once felt any loyalty to any of them. I only cared that it worked well enough to do what I wanted it to. Even today, I'm writing this post on a Windows 10 machine, connecting via OpenWRT to the internet, have a couple of NUCs running Debian for containers and VMs, a NAS running NixOS, a MBP, and a Samsung Galaxy. Oh, and a $500 magicbook running Ubuntu Mate that I use for travel.<p>I watched all of the holy wars from afar and just never got it. Why cut off your nose to spite your face? If it has good stuff, why not enjoy it?
> "So, vim won’t help with productivity here — it doesn't think for me in front of a piece of paper."<p>ai coding assistants -- "hold my beer"