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Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

1864 pointsby Ozarkian4 months ago

139 comments

wolfgang424 months ago
Tangentially related: I had the disconcerting experience of reading a Wired article about his arrest[1] while unknowingly sitting about six feet from the spot where he was apprehended. When I read that the FBI agents had stopped at Bello Coffee while preparing their stakeout, I thought, <i>huh, interesting coincidence, I just had a coffee there.</i><p>Then Ulbricht walked into the public library and sat down at the table directly in front of me, and suddenly as I was reading I could look up and see exactly the chair he had been in, where the plainclothes police had positioned themselves, how they had arranged a distraction.<p>Having this tableau unexpectedly unfold right in front of my eyes was a fascinating experience, and it certainly made the article suddenly get a lot more immersive!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;05&#x2F;silk-road-2&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;05&#x2F;silk-road-2&#x2F;</a><p>EDIT: to be clear, I was not present for the arrest. I was reading the magazine, some years <i>after</i> the arrest, but <i>in the same place as</i> the arrest. (I didn’t qualify the events with “I read that...” since I thought the narrative ellipsis would be obvious from context; evidently not.)
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UniverseHacker4 months ago
I feel torn about this because it seems there was good evidence for attempted murder- and I cannot understand why they never tried him for that (seemingly larger) crime. However, for the crime he was actually found guilty of, the sentence was unfair and unreasonable. It seems they unethically sentenced him for crimes he was not even ever charged with.<p>I&#x27;d also argue he almost certainly saved a huge number of lives with Silk Road: the ability to view eBay style feedback and chemical test results makes buying illegal drugs far safer than buying them on the street. On Silk Road people could buy from a reputable seller with a long history of providing unadulterated products, and could view testimonials from other buyers who had sent the products for chemical analysis.
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mrandish4 months ago
This is wonderful. I&#x27;ve never argued that Ross shouldn&#x27;t have served time but it&#x27;s always been clear his prosecution and sentencing were excessive and unjust. The prosecutors asked for a 20 year sentence, which seemed disproportionate given the sentencing guidelines for a first-time offender and the non-violent charges he was convicted of. But the judge sentenced Ross to TWO life sentences plus 40 years - without the possibility of parole. There&#x27;s no doubt Ross made a series of unwise and reckless decisions but serving over ten years of hard time in a FedMax prison is more than enough given the charges and his history.<p>It&#x27;s just unfortunate that Trump, and now, excessive pardons are politically polarized, which could cloud the fact that justice was done today. I don&#x27;t credit Trump in any way for doing &quot;the right thing&quot; or even having a principled position regarding Ross&#x27; case. Clearly, others with influence on Trump convinced him to sign it. It doesn&#x27;t matter how the pardon happened. Biden <i>should</i> have already pardoned Ross because that crazy sentence shouldn&#x27;t have happened in the first place.
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nostromo4 months ago
I think the attacks on some of these black and gray markets has increased violent crime in the real world. I wish the federal government would stop shutting them down and instead use them as tools to build cases against people breaking the law.<p>For example, for a while most prostitution and sex work seemed to be online, on places like Craigslist right next to ads for used furniture and jobs. And it seemed to be really effective in getting prostitutes off the streets.<p>Now that those markets were shut down, I&#x27;m seeing here in Seattle we&#x27;re having pimp shootouts on Aurora and the prostitutes are more brazen than ever. Going after Craigslist has had a negative effect on our cities and has increased crime, and I suspect going after SilkRoad has had a similar impact.
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steve_avery4 months ago
Well, I think that justice has been served. The feds&#x27; prosecution of Ulbricht was the epitome of throwing the book at someone to make an example, when the government&#x27;s case was pretty flawed, in my opinion. 10 years is enough time to pay the debt of running the silk road.<p>I am glad that Ulbricht has been pardoned and I feel like a small iota of justice has been returned to the world with this action.
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rappatic4 months ago
I think his original sentence was absolutely deserved—even though the charge of hiring a contract killer to assassinate his business competition may have been dropped, I think it&#x27;s clear he did many things in the same vein. Even if you support his original pursuit of a free and open online marketplace, I think most people would agree he took it a bridge too far in the end.<p>That said, I do think he absolutely deserved to be released, not because he didn&#x27;t deserve to be locked up in the first place, but because he&#x27;s clearly been rehabilitated and has done great work during his time in prison. All that considered, ten years seems like a not unreasonable prison sentence for what he did. I hope he&#x27;ll continue to do good when he&#x27;s released.
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agentultra4 months ago
Is this president extremely concerned about drug dealers and gangs in the US?<p>Why is he pardoning a drug trafficker?
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sidcool4 months ago
I&#x27;m indifferent to him being pardoned. But people saying he didn&#x27;t deserve any punishment seems weird to me.
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JumpCrisscross4 months ago
We need pardon reform.<p>I’d argue the President should not be allowed to issue pardons that are:<p>(1) Preëmptive (<i>i.e.</i> absent conviction);<p>(2) To himself, his current or former Cabinet members, or to any of the foregoing’s current or former spouses or children or grandchildren (or their spouses); or<p>(3) Issued after the presidential election in the final year of their term.<p>Furthermore, pardons for violent offences or corruption should be prohibited; provided, however, the President should retain the power to commute such sentences, and the Congress should have the power to regulate the manner in which the President may commute such sentences.<p>(Notably, I don’t believe this would apply to Ulbricht. He wasn’t convicted of a violent crime.)
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loeg4 months ago
Any non-twitter reporting on this?<p>Edit: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;us&#x2F;trump-pardons-silk-road-founder-ulbricht-online-drug-scheme-2025-01-22&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;us&#x2F;trump-pardons-silk-road-fou...</a>
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scudsworth4 months ago
In one message, Ulbricht informed ELLINGSON that “[the murder target] is a liability and I wouldn&#x27;t mind if he was executed.” In another message, Ulbricht stated: “[the murder target] is causing me problems . . . I would like to put a bounty on his head if it’s not too much trouble for you. What would be an adequate amount to motivate you to find him?” ELLINGSON responded, “[the p]rice for clean is 300k+ USD,” and the “[p]rice for non-clean is 150-200k USD depending on how you want it done.” ELLINGSON further explained, in part, that “[t]hese prices pay for 2 professional hitters including their travel expenses and work they put in.”<p>Ulbricht later sent ELLINGSON $150,000 worth of Bitcoin to pay for the purported murder. ELLINGSON and Ulbricht agreed on a code to be included with a photograph to prove that the murder had been carried out. In April 2013, ELLINGSON and Ulbricht exchanged messages reflecting that ELLINGSON had sent Ulbricht photographic proof of the murder. A thumbnail of a deleted photograph purporting to depict a man lying on a floor in a pool of blood with tape over his mouth was recovered from Ulbricht’s laptop after his arrest. A piece of paper with the agreed-upon code written on it is shown in the photograph next to the head of the purportedly dead individual.<p>Later in April 2013, ELLINGSON and Ulbricht exchanged additional messages regarding a plot to kill four additional people in Canada. Ulbricht sent ELLINGSON an additional $500,000 worth of Bitcoin for the murders. ELLINGSON claimed to Ulbricht in online messages that the murders had in fact been committed.
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bdhcuidbebe4 months ago
Will he get his possesions back then?<p>50,676 bitcoins, today valued at 5,3 billion USD.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.justice.gov&#x2F;usao-sdny&#x2F;pr&#x2F;us-attorney-announces-historic-336-billion-cryptocurrency-seizure-and-conviction" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.justice.gov&#x2F;usao-sdny&#x2F;pr&#x2F;us-attorney-announces-h...</a>
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rnernento4 months ago
In 2021, Ulbricht&#x27;s prosecutors and defense agreed that Ulbricht would relinquish any ownership of a newly discovered fund of 50,676 Bitcoin (worth nearly $5.35 billion in 2025) seized from a hacker in November 2021.[78] The Bitcoin had been stolen from Silk Road in 2013 and Ulbricht had been unsuccessful in getting them back. The U.S. government traced and seized the stolen Bitcoin. Ulbricht and the government agreed the fund would be used to pay off Ulbricht&#x27;s $183 million debt in his criminal case, while the Department of Justice would take custody of the Bitcoin.[79][80]
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yuppiepuppie4 months ago
Wasn’t he in jail for hiring a contract killer?<p>I’m all for the freeing him of his crimes when it comes to his crypto anarchic philosophy. But I find it hard to pardon someone for contract killing essentially. Also I’m not an apologist for the FBIs handling of this case either.
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bb884 months ago
Genuine question: Of all the people to pardon, why him?
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BurningFrog4 months ago
Keep in mind that he spent 11 years locked up.<p>He&#x27;s not getting off lightly!
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lbriner4 months ago
Someone might have already pointed it out but for me, the sentence of RA is not the main issue, the issue is allowing a single person to stamp through an entire legal system and undermine all of the time and money that is invested in it, even if that person is a president.<p>I suspect that the idea originally was to give some safety valve but if it is used more than a few times by a President, it makes a mockery of it and it should be removed as a power. How can a President ever decide that the entire legal process is flawed and their opinion is right? If the sentence was too long then change the sentencing guidelines.
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I_am_tiberius4 months ago
I know he wasn&#x27;t convicted of hiring a hitman, and I know the attempt didn&#x27;t succeed, but he still tried to kill other people. Moreover, during a Bitcoin conference, he gave a live talk from prison via phone and still lied, claiming they planted the log on his laptop. A full pardon is ridiculous. It&#x27;s unfair to so many people, including his partners like Variety Jones, also known as Thomas Clark. On the other hand, I&#x27;m pretty sure he won&#x27;t do anything like this again.
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liamwire4 months ago
Genuinely thought we’d never see the day. My feelings on Ulbricht are mixed and have evolved over the decade he’s been in prison.<p>However, the Silk Road allowed me to try LSD as an 18 year old in a safe(r) way than those that came before me.* It was those experiences that revealed I’d been depressed most of my life, and that it also didn’t have to be that way, by way of <i>experiencing</i> what that would feel like. I went on to seek new experiences, make new friends for the first time in my life, engage with professional mental health support, went to university, and started multiple businesses. It also introduced my staunchly-atheist self to the experience of spiritual&#x2F;transcendental experiences, and how those can exist separately from, and don’t require, belief in deities or religion.<p>It can’t be said where I’d have wound up without those experiences, but my own understanding of myself feels pivotally tied to something I couldn’t have gone through without Ross’ actions. Still, I acknowledge it appears more likely that not he tried to have people killed, and regardless of the circumstances surrounding this, that is condemnable.<p>*Had it not been for an anonymous group at the time, The LSD Avengers, posting reviews using gas chromatography mass-spectrometry and reagent tests of suppliers on the site, I wouldn’t have had the confidence to take the risk of trying what I’d received. LSD is physiologically safe, not to say anything of any psychological risks, but knowing the dose allowed me to enter into the shallow end of the pool, so to speak. Common substitutes however cannot have the same said of them.<p>If I’d lived in a time and place that allowed for state-funded drug testing (something my own state has in fact recently abolished despite wildly successful trials), perhaps things would’ve not required a Ross Ulbricht to exist in my case, but I see this as a failure of the system and of drug prohibition as a whole.<p>Ross would’ve existed one way or another I believe, for better or worse, by another name, had he chosen another path. Now he gets the chance to try his life again. I felt the same way.
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johnneville4 months ago
I would find this easier to celebrate if it was a commutation and not a pardon, or if it was a pardon that went hand in hand with a change in the laws he broke.
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underseacables4 months ago
I thought it was a ridiculously long sentence compared to what other people have received. 10 years was right. That&#x27;s enough time. I know that he was accused of hiring a hitman, but he was never convicted of that. It should have never been used in his sentencing. I think the government tried to make an example out of Ross Ulbrich, and it was a miscarriage of justice.
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insane_dreamer4 months ago
So does this mean the war on drugs is finally over and we&#x27;re going to stop mass incarceration for non-violent drug offenses? If so, that _would_ be good news.
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mmaunder4 months ago
I wonder if Assange will get the pardon he’s campaigning for:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.action.assangecampaign.org.au&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.action.assangecampaign.org.au&#x2F;</a>
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constantcrying4 months ago
Here is what the discussion looked like almost a decade ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9626985">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9626985</a><p>Very striking to see how the sentiment has drastically shifted, while the facts of the case did not. There is a really cultural shift visible in how this issue is seen on here.
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andsoitis4 months ago
Ross Ulbricht on X: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;realrossu" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;realrossu</a>
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belter4 months ago
May I respectfully and humbly suggest to this community to avoid posting Twitter links?
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gadders4 months ago
Original story here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9626985">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9626985</a><p>I wish we could run some sort of sentiment analysis to see who was pro and anti the sentencing then vs now.
maplant4 months ago
I had no idea this was a campaign promise. Why? I don’t understand.
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mbStavola4 months ago
Without any snark, why? What&#x27;s the motivation?
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fbnlsr4 months ago
This might be a minor thing, but does anyone know if a full pardon will allow him to use an electronic device or access the internet? Often times, people convicted of crimes related to an online activity are forbidden this right, and I wonder if that&#x27;s the case for him, and if so, what his life would be in this day and age.
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tayo424 months ago
The laws should change too. Legalize and regulate drugs and access.
pjbeam4 months ago
DPR is free!! I&#x27;m very happy for him and hope he makes good on this second lease on life.
eddie_catflap4 months ago
It seems like a lot of the opposition to this I’m seeing online is because Trump is the one that granted it.<p>Ridiculous hyperbole about Ross ‘inventing the Dark Web’ or ‘Trump freed a sex trafficker’ is a great reminder that for some people, their ideological opposition can never do anything right and they’ll condemn anything they do without even a second of consideration.<p>I’m not an avowed Trump supporter (or even American) but believe this was the right call to make. The sentence was overly harsh and he has both served his time and reformed. I’m glad he has been released.
gigatexal4 months ago
What’s the overall take of HN here? Was the government overstepping? Is everyone supporting this undoing of his sentence? Are we generally pro free drug trade? Or are we more anti-FBI?
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pavlov4 months ago
The US constitution increasingly seems like the principles of the Roman Republic after Caesar — a quaint relic that gets regular ceremonial lip service but provides no checks and balances on the leaders.<p>Presidents of both parties abuse pardon power with monarchic glee. The president now has full immunity. The incoming president and his wife launched crypto-tokens whose only utility is to allow foreigners to send billions of dollars to them anonymously (of course with full identification of the buyer in private communications thanks to the crypto private key, so you can be sure of who sent the bribe).<p>People are obviously tired and overwhelmed. It&#x27;s hard to pay attention because Trump has recently threatened so much more: invading foreign allies, military trials for political opponents, using the army against citizens, and so on. When he carries through with just 20% of what he said, it&#x27;s supposed to be no big deal. But the institutions and norms are destroyed and they don&#x27;t magically come back if the other party wins.
peter_retief4 months ago
I always thought the sentence was too extreme, he broke some laws he should do some time. Not life without parole.
namirez4 months ago
I don’t get it. Was every non-violent drug offender in federal prisons pardoned or only this guy? If so, why?
DrFunke4 months ago
I laundered money on The Silkroad (sent birthday cards filled with cash for bitcoin). It was a level of criminality I was fairly comfortable with. I do retain some fear that my door would be kicked in some day. Lawyers of HN, Am I in the clear now too? Ross tried to have a guy murdered, after all.
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olalonde4 months ago
I wonder if the decision to drop the &quot;murder for hire&quot; charges was originally influenced by his existing life sentence, and whether the pardon now alters that reasoning. Is it still possible for him to be prosecuted on those charges?
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smashah4 months ago
All I can think about after reading this is &quot;Rest In Power Aaron Swartz&quot;
jsphweid4 months ago
From wikipedia:<p>&gt; &quot;full and unconditional pardon for any crimes related to drugs&quot;.<p>Does &quot;any crimes related to drugs&quot; include the murder for hire allegations? Does this mean new charges related to that could be brought against him?
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liendolucas4 months ago
I think that we have to agree that anyone doing this today will definitely go to jail, and is my personal opinion that there must be a punishment. Now, the discussion could be if a life sentence is a fair sentence or not. I personally feel that a life sentence is a disproportionate punishment, moreover if the subject shows a different attitude after being in jail for more than a decade. Ten years time to medidate about what you did is plenty of time to change someone&#x27;s mind, obviously if you are a person willing to do things differently.
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josefritzishere4 months ago
I know values and priorities change over time. that gets reflected in the party platforms. But ee are in a weird place politically... where Republicans are now soft on crime? It&#x27;s weird.
karel-3d4 months ago
Silk Road 3.0 here we come!<p>(Silk Road 2.0 already existed. The guy running it is in prison now, I think.)<p>edit: ah seems Silk Road 3.0 existed too. So, 4.0 then
Prbeek4 months ago
Fantastic news for the guy probably responsible for the wide adoption of bitcoin. I hope curl php no longer troubles him.
mschuster914 months ago
Nothing better showing how much Twitter has utterly degenerated than a <i>gold checkmarked</i> scam account (letter confusion) as the top reply [1].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;Frecs_Ross&#x2F;status&#x2F;1881968595632377962" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;Frecs_Ross&#x2F;status&#x2F;1881968595632377962</a>
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toomuchtodo4 months ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.today&#x2F;FNvkp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.today&#x2F;FNvkp</a>
charlieok4 months ago
Ross, you can set up identities on decentralized social platforms now!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rossulbricht.medium.com&#x2F;decentralize-social-media-cc47dcfd4f99" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rossulbricht.medium.com&#x2F;decentralize-social-media-cc...</a>
nodesocket4 months ago
Ross just posted this photo on X. Man served 10 years, time for him to be free.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;Free_Ross&#x2F;status&#x2F;1881925029497377104" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;Free_Ross&#x2F;status&#x2F;1881925029497377104</a>
ubermonkey4 months ago
I&#x27;m just assuming any pardons issued since Monday are probably to bad people.
nipponese4 months ago
It&#x27;s very hard to square his sentencing.<p>If he had been running an IRL drug and gun facilitation marketplace in my city, I would have said 20 years was appropriate.<p>But when the feds make it a techno-political issue, I feel the urge to push back.
throwaway20374 months ago
This is a general question for any reader here who disagrees with the original prison sentence. (Ignore the Presidential pardon for a moment.) What is a reasonable prison sentence for his crimes? 10-20 years?
foogazi4 months ago
How are cartels terrorist organizations but online drug markets are not illegal ?
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Fokamul4 months ago
Ross deserved prison 100%, but 2x life + 40 years in American prison, which is hell on earth on purpose. That&#x27;s just beyond fc** up.<p>All these people here saying his sentence is deserved. It&#x27;s just sick. How is your crime rate going? Declining...right? ....nope
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cakealert4 months ago
I wonder if he is going to be able to launder and cash out whatever crypto he squirreled away. His finances are probably going to be closely watched.<p>Starting a business that accepts crypto payments is going to be a tell.
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yapyap4 months ago
finally! let’s go!<p>though he was very stupid with how he did it, I am happy he is a free man
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entropyneur4 months ago
I don&#x27;t think he should have done any time for the drug-related charges. And 10 years is more than enough for a murder-for-hire in which nobody got hurt. So this seems... just.
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DrNosferatu4 months ago
Some questions, as many of us are from another continent and are only marginally aware of the matter - so, for many here at HN:<p>1. Ross Ulbricht the ultimate entrepreneur?<p>2. Ross Ulbricht was a freedom fighter?
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leftcenterright4 months ago
A full unconditional pardon is one thing, reduction of sentence through judicial processes is another. He never pardoned Snowden and Assange .<p>Why do they still have courts in the US again?
kundi4 months ago
Is Donald also refunding everyone’s deposits on Silkroad?
omnibrain4 months ago
Who&#x27;s next? Sam Bankman-Fried or Elizabeth Holmes?
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RomanPushkin4 months ago
Explain to me like to five year old why when I create a _successful_ drug marketplace that sold whole bunch of illegal drugs should be pardoned?
impalallama4 months ago
This is the same president that wants to give the death penalty to Drug Dealers but I guess that&#x27;s fine so long as you use crypto.
upmind4 months ago
Was there anything said about pardoning Snowden?
m3kw94 months ago
More people should get these “pardons” instead of the parole process based on the similar criteria on how they are pardoned.
anonu4 months ago
So is SBF next? FTX customers were made whole and he didn&#x27;t try to kill anyone or facilitate the narcotics trade.
hypeatei4 months ago
This is a rare Trump win. There are many things to criticize him for, but this pardon isn&#x27;t one of them. I don&#x27;t think anyone, after researching this case, would be okay with the life sentence handed down to Ross.
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decentralised4 months ago
This is just. If a president can pardon people preemptively then they can pardon someone retroactively as well.
subjectsigma4 months ago
The amount of doublethink, false-flagging, misinformation, and “looking the other way” in this thread is just absolutely disgusting.
honeybadger14 months ago
can we all just agree that he was given a ridiculous sentence and trump did a good thing, is that so hard.
vvpan4 months ago
When Snowden, is my question. RFK put a lot of words into &quot;if I am in charge that&#x27;ll be my first thing&quot;. Yeah, he&#x27;s not the president but he&#x27;s also not nobody anymore.
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gigatexal4 months ago
So are online illegal drug marketplaces legal now if they’re run entirely on crypto?
subpixel4 months ago
I will take this opportunity to reflect on the fact that I spent some time considering a purchase of certain controlled substances on Silk Road, but failed to recognize that my own purchasing impulse was a pretty good indicator that the currency involved might be worth a casual investment.
giantg24 months ago
I&#x27;m curious, what are the arguments for or against him being pardoned?
major5054 months ago
Didnt he paid a hitman to kill a dude, and ended up being an fbi agent ?
varispeed4 months ago
This is amazing. Well done.
xeckr4 months ago
Good.
spiritplumber4 months ago
Legalities aside, is it more evil to hire a dude to kill your enemy, or to go kill your enemy yourself? (I&#x27;d go with the former because if you go kill your enemy yourself you&#x27;re at least accepting that it may go the other way).
sidibe4 months ago
Among other things this guy was trying to have people murdered.
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2-3-7-43-18074 months ago
can&#x27;t wait for him to star on joe rogan podcast!
andyjohnson04 months ago
Non-USian here. I&#x27;m interested in <i>why</i>.<p>Given that Trump didn&#x27;t pardon Ulbricht during his first presidential term, why now?<p>What does Trump, who is notoriously transactional, get in return for this? Alternatively, what signal is he sending and to who?
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sys327684 months ago
I wish this thread were discussing how in America you can get drunk in a bar, step into a 4,000 motorized bullet, kill someone or an entire family, and get a slap on the wrist.
FergusArgyll4 months ago
This thread is a great lesson in &quot;Politics is a mind virus&quot;<p>I recommend you read the HN thread when Ulbricht was sentenced [0] first, then come here and read all the &quot;Honest, genuine question, why?&quot;s<p>Then start practicing not letting politics influence your thought process<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9626985">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9626985</a>
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santoshalper4 months ago
Disclosure - I immensely dislike Trump and think Ross Ublricht deserved to be convicted.<p>That said - There is no evidence that anyone was ever killed, there is pretty thin evidence that he actually ever intended to hire any hitmen (though he may have defrauded people who thought they were hiring hitmen), and a life sentence for non-violent drug trafficking seems draconian. I certainly don&#x27;t think this should have been one of Trump&#x27;s priorities (I&#x27;m guessing it came through Vance, Musk, or someone else in the crypto community), but I don&#x27;t have a big problem with it.
l0ng1nu54 months ago
Absolute no brainer, he should be celebrated. Countless lives were saved via the harm reduction effect of a peer reviewed, reputation based platform. Of course if we had less draconian drug policy, it wouldn&#x27;t be necessary but here we are.
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chocolateteeth4 months ago
How is the thread basically off topic?
MPSFounder4 months ago
These discussions are very interesting. So many red flags from Trump (this pardon, ending birthright citizenship...), and people try to justify these things. America is unfortunately heading for a very dark time. Politics aside, I am rather uncomfortable with the power the president possesses. We were always mindful that there are systems of checks and balances. However, given the current court overturned a precedent (Roe), I am unsure what the future holds. This pardon makes me very uneasy.
macinjosh4 months ago
I am happy to see that Trump is a man of his word. I voted for him just because of this campaign promise. I would have voted for almost anyone who promised this.
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Whatarethese4 months ago
Hope he goes on Dark Net Diaries.
yapyap4 months ago
I am surprised Trump pardoned him, not unhappy bout it tho!
UltraSane4 months ago
Presidents and governors should NOT have the power to pardon people. And if they do it should be ONE pardon per term.
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nsajko4 months ago
Is Trump not supposed to be tough-on-crime? How does pardoning a drug dealer factor into that? Is Trump against the war on drugs?
qdhazEWT4 months ago
Trump refused to pardon Assange and Snowden. I suppose he has priorities.<p>In 2021, presumably during SBF&#x27;s (big Democrat donor) FTX scam, Trump thought that Bitcoin was a scam:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;business-57392734" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;business-57392734</a><p>Now he is best friends with the &quot;crypto&quot;, AI, and H1B bros.
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WesternWind4 months ago
A full pardon should mean that he can get all his bitcoin back, as I understand it.
amac4 months ago
The right decision.
nikolay4 months ago
Trump freed him because libertarians voted for him - he openly said so. Meanwhile, he&#x27;s waging a war on fentanyl! He should&#x27;ve freed Snowden instead.
TrapLord_Rhodo4 months ago
i wonder if he&#x27;ll pardon snowden.
snakeyjake4 months ago
Libertarians are the cheapest fucking buys of all time.<p>They will sell their souls to a man who would grind them into a paste and sell that paste as a protein snack to his cultists-- in exchange for a hollow, symbolic win that either impacts them in no way whatsoever or maliciously hurts people they don&#x27;t like.<p>At least with other political groups you have to, you know, BRIBE them.<p>Libertarians are so used to receiving absolutely nothing that they will mistake the scent of a steak for a full meal.
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moogly4 months ago
What&#x27;s even going on? Why is everyone treating this guy as some kind of political prisoner all of a sudden?<p>I would&#x27;ve expected responses like this for Aung San Suu Kyi or Dawit Isaak or someone, but _this guy_? Really?<p>Oh, I guess he is an e n t r e p r e n e u r... I get it now.
freehorse4 months ago
So Trump keeps his promises to the ones who supported him. Makes one think how what other promises he has made to other people and groups having funded and supported his campaign.
grey-area4 months ago
For my friends, anything. For my enemies, the law.
jashper4 months ago
This is the best news I&#x27;ve heard in a while
0xbadcafebee4 months ago
Gentle reminder that we have 1,459 more days of this shit. We really don&#x27;t have to upvote every crazy fucking thing this guy does, or HN will be nothing but that for the next four years.
AcerbicZero4 months ago
Based.
yalogin4 months ago
Is SBF next in line for a pardon?
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jazzyjackson4 months ago
Obligatory &quot;This is good for bitcoin&quot;
cleandreams4 months ago
I think this pardon just reflects Trump&#x27;s transactional politics. Ulbricht has sympathizers in high places now because crypto is all over this administration.<p>In the long run letting political influence trump (no pun intended) the criminal justice system is a very bad thing.<p>By world standards our criminal justice system is a strength of the country. A pity if we lose that.
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TriangleEdge4 months ago
I&#x27;m genuinely surprised of the reactions on this thread. Trump just announced that cartels down south are terrorist organizations. This means that some of the members will likely die by the hand of the us govt. How is running an open market for drugs, weapons, etc different? Seems contradictory to me, what am I missing?
sharpesttool4 months ago
Hard to square the circle with this. Trump is against China&#x27;s drug imports (and more generally China&#x27;s imports), but releases someone convicted of running a &quot;import some drugs from China&quot; business because... well crypto money. Oh money that&#x27;s it. No contradiction!
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insane_dreamer4 months ago
Interesting. I wonder who pushed Trump to do this. Gotta be Musk. Who else?
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jMyles4 months ago
It&#x27;s baffling to me that there are actually comments on Hacker Gosh Darn News of all places suggesting that Ross justly belonged in prison.<p>He successfully created a tool to undermine one of the most unjust and predatory policies of the US State - the policy of drug prohibition.<p>He&#x27;s a damn hero. I don&#x27;t understand why Trump, who most of the time seems like a simply awful human being with no end of appetite for state power, has chosen to do this, but I&#x27;ll certainly take it.<p>It&#x27;s beyond obvious that voting and other mechanics of representative rule have not succeeded at simple policy change such as ending prohibition. I look forward to several decades of truth trumping power in the form of the internet undermining states, until the asinine mode of political organization known as the nation state is deprecated entirely.
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PKop4 months ago
Since no one is posting it, here&#x27;s Trump Truth Social post on the matter:<p>&quot;I just called the mother of Ross William Ulbricht to let her know that in honor of her and the Libertarian Movement, which supported me so strongly, it was my pleasure to have just signed a full and unconditional pardon of her son, Ross. The scum that worked to convict him were some of the same lunatics who were involved in the modern day weaponization of government against me. He was given two life sentences, plus 40 years. Ridiculous!&quot;
lulznews4 months ago
Trump haters in absolute shambles here.
bastardoperator4 months ago
We&#x27;re just letting sex traffickers of children off the hook now? Gross. Putting my head in the sand for the next 3 years and 11 months.
palad1n4 months ago
I can’t believe Trump did something right. If Harris were prez he’d be languishing there till who knows when.
stego-tech4 months ago
I’m not necessarily going to comment on his behaviors directly, as everyone else has already stated that in part or in whole. My grievance, my perspective, is that it’s yet another white man getting a slap on the wrist for wrongdoing while doing nothing to correct any of the underlying problems or pardon others who engaged in similar or lesser behaviors.<p>The war on drugs has always been farcical, deliberately engineered to target minority groups who were opposing power dynamics at the time. It’s why - despite popular opinion to the contrary - cannabis remains broadly illegal at the Federal level and enforced globally through a web of treaties. It’s always been about creating the means of entrapment for those inconvenient to power.<p>Pardoning Ross smacks of a gift to cryptobros to earn their loyalty to the current powers that be, rather than an acknowledgement of a past mistake. It is nakedly political, pardoning a white man from an otherwise good background while others languish in prison on far less serious charges or convictions. Were any of the drug dealers on his black market similarly pardoned? Were any of his consumers? Of course not, because Ross was a Capitalist making profit in an untapped market, and the others were individuals who were not.<p>The entire thing is nauseating, and is enough to wash my hands of all involved were the need to dismantle this farce of a war not so grave.
arittr4 months ago
Now that I didn’t expect
cratermoon4 months ago
Just a reminder: the condition for accepting a pardon is acknowledging that you <i>did</i> commit the crime in question and accept the court&#x27;s finding of guilt.<p>In contrast: Biden didn&#x27;t pardon Leonard Peltier, the president commuted his sentence. Peltier maintains his innocence.
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RobinHirst114 months ago
deserved the pardon. privacy should be for all, not just the billionaires.
jjallen4 months ago
So if you start a website and facilitate thousands of drug deals and get lots of people to ask the president to pardon you, and you’re white, you can get a pardon. But for everyone else you can’t. Even if you’re in prison for possession of drugs for more than ten years.<p>Also if you try to overthrow the government you get pardoned which I would have guessed approaches treason.<p>These are pardonable offenses and conditions.
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throwaway3141554 months ago
...her?
steveBK1234 months ago
At the same time he is threatening to tariff China 10% due to their responsibility for fentanyl, lol
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kevinsync4 months ago
I have nothing in particular to say about the dead comments in this very young thread, but they&#x27;re sort-of-interesting comments to have been killed so quickly!<p>Is it due to HN policy? I guess they&#x27;re subjective and ideological, and prone to starting arguments rather than debates.<p>Maybe &quot;Please don&#x27;t use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.&quot; or &quot;Please don&#x27;t pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead.&quot;?<p>I&#x27;m honestly just curious as a conscientious internet citizen lol
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lupusreal4 months ago
This conversation is presently flagged. Why? When Ross was sentenced HN had a discussion about it with more than 600 comments. His conviction has been discussed numerous additional times in other threads throughout the years. His pardon is plainly on-topic for HN, and this discussion is a necessary followup to those previous discussions.
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anotherhue4 months ago
Paraphrasing an aphorism I saw elsewhere: &quot;Crime is legal now&quot;.
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ggm4 months ago
I don&#x27;t see how this benefits the American economy, jobs, or national security. I do see that for a cohort of people in the Libertarian community this was held to be a central Tenet: Ulbricht was their &quot;hostage&quot; just as the Proud Boys thought their leader was.<p>But, I can&#x27;t see how this becomes net beneficial in Congress, or in the wider economy. At best it&#x27;s providing lower friction movement of goods and services. They tend not to go to Federal Tax collecting exchanges, so I cannot for the life of me see how this helps the exchequer, but maybe thats the point?
steveBK1234 months ago
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leonewton2534 months ago
I regret not voting for Trump. Hopefully most of his BS will be contested and the good stuff he does sticks.
metadat4 months ago
I wonder if this action was executed at the suggestion of Mr. Musk?<p>It seems questionable Trump even understands or cares what Silk Road did or how it worked.
npvrite4 months ago
A. His prison sentence was totalitarian and three letters stole his crypto and illegally convicted him.<p>B. Orange is not a hero. I don&#x27;t bow down to Kim Jong Un&#x2F;Hitler wannabees.<p>C. Tor is a three letter honeypot.
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s1mon4 months ago
I really wonder who benefits from this. Trump only does things that are good for him, or those close to him. I realize he&#x27;s been making connections to the crypto world, and has his own meme coins. Does pardoning Ross somehow make crypto more valuable?
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southernplaces74 months ago
For all his many defects and cloudy motives for doing it, Trump deserves applause for this. It&#x27;s with actions such as this that he also shows why he&#x27;s a genuine maverick of a president, with who it&#x27;s genuinely possible to expect deeply unexpected actions (for better or worse).<p>For all his talk of being progressive and cultivation of a youthful maverick image of his own, you would have never seen such a move from Obama and forget about it under the mealy mouthed Biden or a hypothetical Hillary administration. With Trump, rather uniquely and singularly, it happened.<p>Ulbricht made many mistakes, less so morally but definitely legally, of the kind with which he could have expected to cause punishment to rain down upon him, but the way in which his case was managed and the way in which he was sentenced truly were both disgusting in numerous ways.<p>They were classic examples of prosecutorial and political vengeance and give much truth to Trump&#x27;s own description of the same as &quot;The scum that worked to convict him were some of the same lunatics who were involved in the modern day weaponization of government against me. He was given two life sentences, plus 40 years. Ridiculous!”<p>If you in any way mistrust heavy-handed government prosecutions and persecutions, it&#x27;s hard to disagree much, even if it&#x27;s also not hard to imagine Trump being just as abusive in other contexts where prosecution of enemies would suit his interests and personal vengeance.<p>Now if we see him pardon Snowden too, i&#x27;d happily give a standing ovation.<p>Before someone here smugly chimes in about how Ulbricht also tried to hire out a murder by contract, bear in mind that this accusation was riddled with holes, suspicions of entrapment and in any case wasn&#x27;t formally used for his sentencing, AND still wouldn&#x27;t justify the kind of onerously grotesque sentence that was dumped on him. Pedophiles who committed child murders have been sentenced to less than Ulbricht was.
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dools4 months ago
This pardon is corrupt. Ross&#x27; parents donated to Trump and he pardoned their son as a favour.<p>Whether or not you think he deserved the prison time, the problem here is how utterly brazen Trump is in accepting bribes.
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unobatbayar4 months ago
Words can&#x27;t describe how happy I am.
jerlygits4 months ago
If I wanted to know this, I’d visit Reddit.
ricochet114 months ago
those thinking this is a criminal who shouldn’t be released i recommend reading this thread <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;tayvano_&#x2F;status&#x2F;1641931312385888256" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;tayvano_&#x2F;status&#x2F;1641931312385888256</a>
idunnoman12224 months ago
Hacker news absolutely loved this 1700 comments which makes me want to list all hacker news threads ordered by most comments because these are usually the best ones
notananthem4 months ago
This thread really shows how unhinged the community is. Dude hired contract killers and ran the most prolific darkweb forum for whatever. He&#x27;s not some martyr. He&#x27;s just a bum.
sidibe4 months ago
The sympathy for this guy from so many of you makes me sad.<p>The messages show he wanted and thought he was getting people murdered. But that&#x27;s perfectly OK because it was actually the evil FBI he was talking to!
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