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Sex, Lies and Julian Assange

45 pointsby Mattialmost 13 years ago

6 comments

chrisackyalmost 13 years ago
Just read the article (it takes about 30 minutes). This was the best account that I've read of the entire situation and has now educated me on to the "dragnet" that surrounds Julian Assange.<p>The TL;DR summary is that everything points to Sweden having being coerced at every juncture (by the US), and the Swedish police failing constantly.<p>----------------<p>I'd never actually been clear on what the "sexual assault/rape/molestation" charges were with Assange, but from the transcript, these charges were filed after two women Anna Ardin and Sofia Wilen went to the police to seek advice if they could compel Assange to take a STD test since they did not use a condom during sex.<p>It's unclear from the transcript, but from what I have read, these two women knew that he was sleeping with both of them. Both of the women went to the Klara police station in central Stockholm, however, it is mentioned that Ardin had gone along primarily to support Wilen.<p>Ardin had been frequently in the company of Assange. She had previously described him as such a "cool man" (Twitter). They also arrived and left together at a Crayfish party (equivalent of a cocktail party). Ardin was sharing accomodation with Assange and had refused an offer from someone else for temporary accomodation.<p>The day after the accusation of rape and molesation Ardin sent a SMS saying : "I've just spent some time with the coolest people in the world".<p>SMS text messages were also exchanged between Sofia and Ardin, which showed that the two of them knew of the relationship between each other and Assange.<p>Ardin responded to a friend who was looking for Assange : "He's not here. He's planned to have sex with the cashmere girl every evening, but not made it. Maybe he finally found time yesterday?"<p>The Swedish police, totally railroaded the investigation. Interviews have been leaked with Assange, and Wilen commented <i>initially</i> "that she became so distraught she refused to give any more testimony and refused to sign what had been taken down.".<p>Assange went freely for interview to the police station and was released without immediate charge, and was free to travel. Almost immediately there after, another warrant was issued for his arrest.<p>Eventually, it was also upgraded to a "Red Notice". To put it into context, a red notice for such a trivial charge with a previously willful and responsive person is unusual.<p>&#62; The president of Syria does not have a Red Notice alert. Gaddafi in Libya, at the same time Julian's arrest warrant was issued, was not subject to a Red Notice but an Orange Notice. It was an incredibly... it was incredibly unusual that a red notice would be sought for an allegation of this kind.<p>It's alleged (from the transcripts), that Sweden has frankly always been the United States' lap dog and it's not a matter we are particularly proud of. The Swedish Government has... essentially, whenever a US official says, "Jump", the Sweden Government asks, "How high?"<p>Assange's legal team are clearly trying to point out that US is coercing all of this behind the scenes so that he can then be extradited from Sweden and face trial for conspiracy to commit espionage.<p>&#62; The burden should be on the United States Government to say, "We are not planning to prosecute Julian Assange". If they just gave that assurance, I can guarantee you that Julian Assange would go to Sweden tomorrow.
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belornalmost 13 years ago
Small cited section from the article: "You only need to look at the way that Red Notices are used around the world. Red Notices are normally the preserve of terrorists and dictators. The president of Syria does not have a Red Notice alert. Gaddafi in Libya, at the same time Julian's arrest warrant was issued, was not subject to a Red Notice but an Orange Notice. It was an incredibly... it was incredibly unusual that a red notice would be sought for an allegation of this kind."<p>And the allegation is accusation of sexually assault of the lowest degree. The lowest. Accusations. If Anders Breivik fled out of jail from Norway, he would be unlikely to receive the same high international legal attention that Assange got. It things like that this that causes people to loose trust in the legal system, especially the Swedish legal system.
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damian2000almost 13 years ago
How solid is the claim in this video that US Grand Jury #10GJ3793 is for wikileaks? FYI there's a link here to something associated with it as well...<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/07/15/wikileaks-grand-jury-witness-publishes-first-account-of-prosecutors-questioning/" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/07/15/wikilea...</a>
Draikenalmost 13 years ago
Amazing how legal systems are made to bend at the will of biased government interests. If the leaks from Assange were from North Korea or any US "enemy", he'd be getting diplomatic immunity or any other kind of law bending to protect him. The worst thing is, it's not just the US. The US just has more power to do so. This world is damned.
youngtaffalmost 13 years ago
What all this stuff ignores is that it would easier for the US to get him extradited from the UK than it would be for them to get him from Sweden.
nirvanaalmost 13 years ago
The charge is that he had consensual sex with these women and prosecutors decided it was "rape" because they didn't use protection. Weeks after the fact, when they wanted him for other reasons. They aren't even claiming that it wasn't consensual.<p>Thus the only thing I wonder about this case is how can anyone pretend like this is a legitimate warrant?<p>Everyone consented, there was no crime. Forget about who Assange is, or that this came up after he became very famous, or that the US might be trying to extradite him. None of that matters- there isn't even an alleged crime here[1].<p>[1] I'm using the word "crime" here in the moral sense. There are lots of things that are not crimes but that are against the law. Since governments are not beholden to morality, laws that cause the violation of rights are themselves crimes. So, something simply being illegal doesn't make it a crime.
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