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How We Got 50 Women to Our Hackathon (And You Can, Too)

107 pointsby lgilchristalmost 13 years ago

16 comments

roguecoderalmost 13 years ago
From what I understand, the hackathon itself was advertised from the start as "50 men/50 women". When 50 men signed up, they stopped accepting male applicants.<p>So they did find 50 women that wanted to attend a hackathon, but they did it by leaving the door open for women to attend when otherwise the entire hackathon would have filled up with men. Not mentioning that approach in their blog post seems ... disingenuous.
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picardoalmost 13 years ago
I was at this hackathon. Sure, if you micromanage every single aspect of the event, you're going to achieve what you set out, but getting people to hack together over a weekend does not create a culture in which men and women can collaborate and work together after the event is over.<p>Specifically, as a guy, I found some of the marketing material distributed at the event pretty offputting. Most of the stuff was color-coded, either pink or blue, and that was the first weird thing. Why would you reinforce the traditional gender roles like this if you are truly trying to change them?<p>Second, I didn't keep the materials, but as I recall there was one that was making the suggestion that "every fairy tale starts this way." Well, maybe, but that suggestion is not really welcome in a professional setting. I wonder if that's the right approach to encourage guys to start taking women seriously in the work setting.<p>Bottomline, the motivation of the event is commendable, and I am all for adding more women to the technology sector, but adding sex into the promotion of a hackathon, and so badly, will not get us there.
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sp332almost 13 years ago
<i>Make the Attendee List Public</i><p>Interesting, I have been told that (many) women prefer not to have their real names published online especially not in connection with a particular real-life event they are attending. It multiplies that amount of harassment they are open to.
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lbarrowalmost 13 years ago
It's great to see that the list of changes to make does not include anything enormous, ground-breaking or incredibly difficult. The author is basically proposing a few subtle changes to the tone of the hackathon -- I'm glad to see it had such a huge impact.
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cletusalmost 13 years ago
Is it just me or does all this talk about women in tech and efforts to balance things out (artificially) just devalue what good work women engineers are doing?<p>It's the classic affirmative action problem: if you lower the bar for one group in the eyes of everyone else members of that group are viewed as having less merit regardless of whether or not its true.<p>I'm all for having more good female engineers because I'm all for having more good engineers (male or female). The counterargument seems to be that women find the male dominance of tech intimidating or engineering careers aren't presented to women as possibilities. If there is gender bias is science/engineering/maths classes or with career guidance and so forth then I'm all for eliminating that.<p>But as far as the first goes, I have two words for you: Grace Hopper.
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ilakshalmost 13 years ago
So for me, to be honest, I would be excited to go to this type of event because I hardly ever interact with women. Which is just because my life is sad. LOL.<p>But anyway, I think that to sell it to men would be pretty easy: tell them "There will actually be lots of women at this hackathon!".<p>To sell it to the women, you would probably tell them the same thing: "There will actually be lots of women at this hackathon!" The motivation for the women would be to finally get do work in an environment that wasn't completely saturated with men.<p>Then of course you have to limit the number of men you allow in. The real trick I think is just finding enough women who are in tech, can commit to going to the event, and convincing them that there really will be lots of women there. I think the secret to that is to access to and pull in existing networks of women in technology.
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theyCallMeSwiftalmost 13 years ago
Check out all the awesome stuff that got built here: <a href="https://www.hackerleague.org/hackathons/hackn-jill/hacks" rel="nofollow">https://www.hackerleague.org/hackathons/hackn-jill/hacks</a>
lallysinghalmost 13 years ago
The icebreaker is genius. It's awkward enough for normal people, much less some of us who are less socially adept.
ixactoalmost 13 years ago
Change the genders and you see how fucking ridiculous it is. 'How we got 50 men to go to our [stereotypically female activity].<p>Have fun with stereotyping yourselves... "Feed People Well: Offer vegetarian-friendly options, salad, fruit, and wine in addition to the usual beer/pizza/redbull. We got at least a dozen thank-you’s specifically for having fruit with breakfast. Everyone likes healthy food – so why not go the extra mile?"
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adrralmost 13 years ago
Awesome a hackathon that is run by a product person(blog owner), marketing/pr woman, banking analyst and one front end dev. Where do I sign up?
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helen842000almost 13 years ago
Limiting tickets alone doesn't ensure that equal number of men/women show up.<p>If they hadn't done all of the other stuff it may have been the case they sold 50 male tickets and zero female tickets.<p>People seem to assume that if tickets are there then women show up. It takes a lot of encouragement to get that to happen.<p>Also I'd like to add I'd be more encouraged to join a 50/50 style hackathon than a female only one. I think they did a great job.
cbsmithalmost 13 years ago
Oddly, they didn't include a line in their posters describing their perks:<p><i>Men:</i> Need another beer? Let one of our friendly (male) even staff get that for you.<p>Which would surely work right? --particularly if you add a giggle about "staff" as a metaphor....
papsosouidalmost 13 years ago
It is pretty amazing to see how much the term "hackathon" has been diluted in such a short time. How did we go from a very literal "a hacking marathon" where the developers of project X get together to hack non-stop for a week on their project to "non-programmers scraping together some off the shelf javascript/css frameworks into a trivial web app for a couple of hours, and then having some marketing person call it an awesome hack"?
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moronalmost 13 years ago
That's great. I wonder what will become of all these things these people spent their time building.
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MetalMASKalmost 13 years ago
This seems great, but this is my concern: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_lh5fR4DMA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_lh5fR4DMA</a>.<p>Fundamentally a psychological problem. Whether the attendee can keep it professional or not would make or break this hackathon
Jdalmost 13 years ago
From an evolutionary psychological standpoint I find this ridiculous:<p>Traditional standpoint is that men go to places where women are (e.g. bars) and hit on them. This requires a combination of various skills on the part of men, including resource acquisition (to be able to buy drinks for women), social skills, and the ability to be aggressive in a non-threatening way (e.g. to approach an attractive woman and chat her up).<p>There are of course many variations on this, but the skills that men ostensibly need to succeed in them are, generally speaking, some rough combination of the above -- which, perhaps unsurprisingly -- are some combination of the same skills that many women would want for a male partner (i.e. assertive, successful, socially capable, attractive).<p>The presence of these so-called "feminist" threads on HN often take the form of hackers, who presumably do not have all of the aforementioned skills, attempting to get women to come to them. I think it is reasonably obvious that the motivations include the fact that people who do not have all of the aforementioned capabilities and who are limited to incredible hacking skills, want to be able to succeed with women (e.g. obtain sex and/or relationship) on their own terms.<p>Personally, I believe this is both selfish and a violation of evolutionary norms. Certainly, there is a place for certain types of affirmative action, but in this case (and many like it) it is pretty clear that the action is not made so that the end product is better (i.e. better computer programs built in less time), but that nerds get babes.<p>While there may be some success with respect to the <i>unstated</i> motivation, I think the fundamental dishonesty with respect to the approach vector means that you will never attract the type of woman that you would ideally want to couple with (yes, I'm speaking primarily to a male audience here).<p>There may be "good enough" couplings insofar as there clearly is some appeal here from the standpoint of women, given the relatively high salary of nerds (I saw some unusual couplings in silicon valley along these lines, particularly in the South Bay), but I don't think this is a very good strategy long term.<p>At the very least, I think the motivations need to be clear. Why do dudes in industries that are dominated by dudes want to have women around them in the work place so bad? Yes, we know why, and so do most women. There are other reasons of course, but we have to be honest about all of them when we are coming up with a supposed "solution."
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