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Almost one in 10 people use the same four-digit PIN

168 pointsby adrian_mrd4 months ago

33 comments

mindcrime4 months ago
An observation about 4 digit PIN&#x27;s. They&#x27;re even weaker than you might think just from &quot;doing the math&quot; at least in some cases. Sure, there&#x27;s 10000 combinations to search through if you&#x27;re trying to brute force one, but I&#x27;d bet money that in most cases you don&#x27;t need to search anywhere near that many.<p>Case in point: I had a unit at a mini-storage place once. And you needed a 4 digit PIN to get through the gate. And I forgot the PIN I used. I was sitting at the gate for a minute, staring at the keypad and realized &quot;wait... hundreds of people have PINs in this system and the system doesn&#x27;t care <i>which one</i> you use&quot;. So I just needed a PIN that somebody used. So I started with years that would have been reasonable birth years for an average adult at that time and starting going up. I think it took about 6 tries to find a valid PIN.<p>Now granted, this is different than trying to brute force <i>a specific person&#x27;s</i> PIN. But even then, I expect that in many cases an informed search will crack it a lot faster than a purely sequential search or a random search. Using common birth years, well known numbers like &quot;5150&quot;, &quot;1234&quot;, &quot;4321&quot;, etc. is probably going to work a lot of times.
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asoneth4 months ago
&gt; Almost one in 10 people use the same four-digit PIN<p>I can&#x27;t think of the PIN 1234 without immediately thinking of Dark Helmet:<p>&quot;So the combination is one, two, three, four, five? That&#x27;s the stupidest combination I ever heard in my life! That&#x27;s the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7rSmMm-7SVA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7rSmMm-7SVA</a>
marsavar4 months ago
Beautiful visualisation - I just wish I could hover over the grid and see which PIN my cursor is pointing at.
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timrichard4 months ago
Nice to see 1-2-1-2 listed, the PIN of soundcheck guys everywhere.
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brilee4 months ago
This is a really belated blogspam repost. Original:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.datagenetics.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;september32012&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.datagenetics.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;september32012&#x2F;</a>
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travisgriggs4 months ago
Wish as you moused over the grid it would tell you the numerical value, or at least the one were on with precision so I could hover over mine (as well as others).
lapcat4 months ago
The other problem is that people use the same PIN on their smartphones and debit cards, for example, because who can remember multiple PINs?<p>We&#x27;ve replaced password sharing with PIN sharing.
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dfxm124 months ago
Here&#x27;s a heat map you can zoom in on:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;dataisbeautiful&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1cn7l7r&#x2F;oc_most_common_4_digit_pin_numbers_from_an&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;dataisbeautiful&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1cn7l7r&#x2F;oc...</a><p>Also consider this scene from Trainspotting 2: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=2EQCpQbUrzI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=2EQCpQbUrzI</a> :)
beej714 months ago
When I need a pin, I use uuidgen and grab the first four decimal digits. (I guess that could potentially include the `4` but it hasn&#x27;t happened yet and the odds are low.) I guess I&#x27;d better screen some of them out!<p>True story: friend had a bank (in the 1990s) randomly generate a PIN of 2222 for him. He got it reset.
codr74 months ago
That being said, you usually need the matching gadget&#x2F;account as well.<p>Four digit PINs are a fine solution in many contexts.<p>A bigger problem is always going all in nuclear when it comes to security. If the solution is impossible to use, no one gives a shit about security.
cedws4 months ago
It’s 2025, why are we still protecting our money with 4 digits? Our phones have advanced biometrics, why can’t our cards have that too?<p>Card issuers need to stop being lazy because they have a monopoly and innovate a bit.
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deathanatos4 months ago
It is probably still almost 10%, but we seem to imply that &quot;frequency of a pin within the set of all 4 digit pins&quot; is frequency of the pin amongst the population, but that means we&#x27;re not counting people who, e.g., use 6 digit pins.<p>(Or I suppose that just reinforces the point: most people are setting first 2 digits of the 6 digit pin to &quot;00&quot;, essentially, although now I wonder if a phone accepts 001234 and 1234 as equivalent. Is it a string, or an int? I&#x27;d presume the former…)
Vaslo4 months ago
This is the same combination I have on my luggage.
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AdmiralAsshat4 months ago
Oh good, my favorite Rush song is still safe.
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mindtricks4 months ago
The fact that my technology-inhibited parents somehow chose one of the lesser used combinations has left me dumbfounded.
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graemep4 months ago
popular ones must be better - otherwise why would they be popular?
gweinberg4 months ago
I think a pin is only supposed to be a second line of defense, like entering your zip code with your credit card. People who use 1234 as an ATM pin think their card prolly won;t get stolen, and if it is, the machines all have cameras so you can see the thief picking his nose.
bryanrasmussen4 months ago
it seems like my pin of 1077, the same as a cheese pizza and soda at my old job, is still super secure.
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bdcravens4 months ago
For anything where I can set&#x2F;reset the PIN with the card already in possession (which is pretty much everything it seems), I just have an algorithm I use based off of the actual card details, so I never have to memorize anything.
culi4 months ago
This is a cool visualization! I didn&#x27;t know ABC did this sort of stuff
dfboyd4 months ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dfboyd.github.io&#x2F;hw&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dfboyd.github.io&#x2F;hw&#x2F;index.html</a><p>A clickable version of the original heatmap
taeric4 months ago
Hard not to ack that the common ones are the default values of most locks? Is akin to finding that the default admin password on many databases&#x2F;servers&#x2F;etc is not changed by the users?
causi4 months ago
I&#x27;m flatly amazed &quot;1701&quot; isn&#x27;t in the top 50.
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b2124 months ago
Just mix and match two last digits of the year your parents&#x2F;siblings were born and you’re golden.<p>Side note; I’m surprised 6969 is not more popular :)
alexey-salmin4 months ago
The post is much better than the clickbaity title suggests.<p>Loved the visualisation and the fact that 2902&#x2F;0229 are noticeably lighter than surroundings.
sitkack4 months ago
What a beautiful infoviz presentation, esp for a major news site. Good work Julian Fell and Teresa Tan!
ramesh314 months ago
The pin isn&#x27;t the security, your physical card is. Pins are usernames, cards are passwords.
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baggy_trough4 months ago
Far better to use a six digit pin, like 0-0-0-0-0-0.
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mrkramer4 months ago
So this is like Birthday paradox but for PINs.
NAHWheatCracker4 months ago
I&#x27;m disappointed I couldn&#x27;t mouse over the grid to find my PIN and see how popular it is...
underseacables4 months ago
I mixed it up though and did 4-3-2-1
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wiseowise4 months ago
Only 1 in 10?
billpg4 months ago
Then it isn&#x27;t a personal <i>identification</i> number. We should call them PANs, or Personal Authentication Number.<p>If you&#x27;ll excuse me, I need to go fight some windmills.
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