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Goodbye, Slopify

346 pointsby surprisetalk4 months ago

69 comments

mastazi4 months ago
Even before the rise of AI music, they started &quot;customizing&quot; playlists based on the algorithm, so that you see different songs compared to someone else who subscribes to the same playlist.<p>This was one of the reasons why I left Spotify. There are hundreds of posts about this issue on the Spotify community site, e.g.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.spotify.com&#x2F;t5&#x2F;Content-Questions&#x2F;Option-to-disable-Made-for-you-feature&#x2F;m-p&#x2F;5433790" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.spotify.com&#x2F;t5&#x2F;Content-Questions&#x2F;Option-to...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.spotify.com&#x2F;t5&#x2F;Content-Questions&#x2F;Spotify-Playlist-has-different-songs-to-a-friends&#x2F;td-p&#x2F;5489545" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.spotify.com&#x2F;t5&#x2F;Content-Questions&#x2F;Spotify-P...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.spotify.com&#x2F;t5&#x2F;Your-Library&#x2F;I-Sent-a-Playlist-To-My-Friend-and-it-Has-Different-Songs&#x2F;td-p&#x2F;5323106" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.spotify.com&#x2F;t5&#x2F;Your-Library&#x2F;I-Sent-a-Playl...</a>
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dlcarrier4 months ago
I thought the headline was mocking Shopify, not Spotify. It shows how little creativity we have in tech company naming.<p>I wonder which suffix is more popular, -ify, -ly, or -r.
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jcstk4 months ago
I&#x27;m reading these comments and I&#x27;m thinking &quot;are we using the same Spotify?&quot; I don&#x27;t see any AI music, I don&#x27;t get Podcasts pushed on me, the UI is fine, playlists are fine and I get new music I like suggested to me often.
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Philpax4 months ago
Of all the problems that I have with Spotify - its frequently changing selection of music, its hostility to power users, its shuffle algorithm, its artist hostile rates, its frequently changing-for-the-worse interface - I can&#x27;t really say that AI music is one of them. If I come across some and enjoy it, great! I&#x27;m not going to let that impact my enjoyment of music as a whole.
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romanhn4 months ago
I really don&#x27;t understand the product decisions at Spotify. Some really basic functionality is missing like shuffling across all tracks in my library or treating Liked Songs as a playlist but not really (can&#x27;t share with others). I keep using it for its discovery features, but even that is so much worse than ten years ago. Back then I would easily keep half of Discover Weekly. These days I&#x27;m happy if I find one or two songs I like. They feel like a company on auto-pilot.
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turbojet13214 months ago
I recently ditched Spotify for Qobuz. Spotify has always been a bit of a letdown, even though I&#x27;ve been using it since Rdio went bust (so ~10yrs). The thing that finally pushed me over the edge was the amount of shit content they push at my kids.<p>I want to me able to give my 10yo an app on their phone to listen to music, and not have to check to see if they&#x27;re actually watching videos, or listening to (possibly wildly inappropriate) podcasts - or worst of both worlds - watching video podcasts.<p>Qobuz isn&#x27;t perfect in terms of UI, but they seem to care about, and only care about, music. I trialed Amazon Music, but it (unsurprisingly) is an ad platform, too. Apple Music was a contender - the only reason I didn&#x27;t end up with it is because (also unsurprisingly) it doesn&#x27;t integrate well with network streamers.<p>Qobuz is a bit more expensive, but so far it has been worth it.
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muppetman4 months ago
I can&#x27;t understand how people use Spotify. It was great ~10 years ago? It&#x27;s terrible these days. Pushing Podcasts at you (no thanks, Podcasts are terrible. If I wanted to hear idiots laughing at each other I&#x27;d listen to the Radio DJs), terrible music, the UI getting harder and less intuitive to use.<p>It&#x27;s a shame all good things have to slowly tend towards sucking, instead of getting better. Bitwarden, one of my beloved apps, has done the same with a god-awful UI redesign.<p>Youtube music is just as bad with pushing unwanted content. I can&#x27;t believe the answer after 10 years of this is to go back to doing it myself, downloading MP3s and using something (currently Jellyfin) to curate them.<p>At least Youtube music lets me upload my own music to it, so that&#x27;s the main reason I&#x27;m still mostly using it.<p>PS: Please don&#x27;t reply and tell me I just haven&#x27;t found the right podcast. The &quot;X person&#x2F;people talking taking 2 hours to discuss something that could be discussed succinctly in 5 minutes&quot; isn&#x27;t a format I&#x27;m interested in.
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pjs_4 months ago
Recommend getting an MP3 player. Just feels good man. 500GB of music, no ads, no network, no subscription, no distractions.
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zombiwoof4 months ago
AI generated music should be against the terms and what we decided to pay for.
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doright4 months ago
You could use the Spotify API to autogenerate your own playlists and upload them to your library, bypassing Spotify&#x27;s own recommendations. There are a couple of services out there that connect to Spotify this way. Usually I start with such a playlist then branch out into the album containing a song if I like what I hear.<p>I also have a personal list of hundreds of albums I want to hear. If I don&#x27;t feel like anything in specific I pick one at random since Spotify usually has it. Having such a list, I don&#x27;t see the appeal in listening to Spotify&#x27;s curated playlists.
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827a4 months ago
There&#x27;s been so many small changes over the years that have decimated the experience further and further for me. Most recently, the &quot;Podcasts&quot; Library tab has now been renamed &quot;Podcasts and Courses&quot;. The competing KPIs that must have been at play to make &quot;Audiobooks&quot; a separate, third tab, but bundle &quot;Courses&quot; into &quot;Podcasts&quot; could surely be written about. Certainly with merit: That horizontal scroll area now has so many tabs that putting &quot;Audiobooks&quot; in 3rd place basically puts it over the fold at most screen sizes, and &quot;Courses&quot; in 4th place would be as invisible as a Google search result on the second page.<p>Woe befalls the Audiobooks team, who lost that war. Sad for them.<p>Sorry, throughout that diatribe I forgot to even mention what Courses were, or why anyone would want them. That could only be because, I have no idea. Seeing it written in my Library tab, &quot;Podcasts and Courses&quot; is like hearing the echo of a feature that doesn&#x27;t exist. Where do I find these courses? What do I search for? Are they included in my plan? There&#x27;s none on my home page... wait, I just realized how little I care.<p>I think, or rather hope, we&#x27;re entering an era of tech business where money gets more expensive, thus sensibility must return, you can&#x27;t just be focused on growth you need to make money, keep customers happy, and not worry less about the next hundred million customers. I&#x27;m seeing it in some products. Not in Spotify, to be clear. Here&#x27;s the sensible thing Spotify could do: Create a $22&#x2F;mo plan, hi-fi audio, a big &quot;Super Premium&quot; badge around your avatar, custom app color themes, customize your home page and sidebars, this literally writes itself, people would buy it. Would it make enough money to justify the investment? Hey Dan: Did building Podcasts and Audiobooks? Yeah that&#x27;s what I thought.
magnetowasright4 months ago
I don&#x27;t use spotify (primarily buy CDs and use ipod classics, also records because I am a cliche) and this made me think of the articles about the guy who was one of the most listened artists on spotify (piano for study&#x2F;concentration type stuff iirc?) and he got punished or something because he was publishing under several names? I couldn&#x27;t quite find that or what actually happened, but I did stumble upon this Wikipedia page about controversy over fake artists on spotify[0] that suggests some of those are commissioned by spotify.<p>The only feature of spotify that I&#x27;ve ever been interested in was discovering new and new to me music. I&#x27;m not interested in AI slop though, and I can&#x27;t imagine a lot of people would be (maybe the background noise use case don&#x27;t mind so much which is fair, I suppose). Is this going to get to a tipping point with spotify for it to go under (or lose a LOAD of value), or is it going to be like &#x27;smart&#x27; TVs where non-&#x27;smart&#x27; TVs essentially don&#x27;t exist because almost all manufacturers have realised they can make more money from forcing ads and spyware? I see that it&#x27;s been a problem for nigh on a decade according to that Wikipedia page but with the floodgates for AI feel a lot more open than they used to.<p>Kinda related, does anybody use soundcloud any more? Just interesting that it seemed hugely popular and was then derided (terms like &#x27;soundcloud rapper&#x27;) and I haven&#x27;t heard about it in a while.<p>I suppose netflix still exists despite derision for their awful originals, killing the good originals, and having little content (especially internationally!).<p>Spotify will be fine, especially with how little they pay artists, but it&#x27;s probably a shame for a lot of users.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Controversy_over_fake_artists_on_Spotify" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Controversy_over_fake_artists_...</a>
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kylehotchkiss4 months ago
This is an area where Apple can choose to Be Different and not allow their platform to melt into a puddle of slop. I hope they have what it takes.
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protocolture4 months ago
AI music is fine take it or leave it.<p>The killer app of Spotify has been expanding my horizons past the 30 tracks on my MP3 player. But that seems to have stalled. I do like being notified when bands I like release new music. I am hopeless at keeping up with music so thats useful.
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eduction4 months ago
I don’t get it. If you want to avoid algorithmic garbage maybe don’t subscribe to a playlist made by an algorithm. There are tons and tons of human curated playlists on Spotify. There are also hundreds of radio stations across the US streaming online for free.<p>People have these ultra narrow niche picky preferences and then ragequit when they don’t get their way.<p>“I want a machine learning customized playlist but it should have perfect intuition about what is made by humans and what is not and if you can’t make that I’ll call you ‘garbage.’”<p>We can’t even sort email properly with algos and we’ve been trying for over 30 years. We can’t block phishing.<p>If you hate Spotify so much go back to your cd collection or try pirating mp3s again. That service is a miracle — dozens and dozens of startups burned hundreds of millions trying to build something like that years before - and all people can do is whine. “Mehhh, it’s electron, waaaaa”. Ok go make your own service in c++ or whatever and then get all the major labels on board and then make it popular and then make it profitable. I’ll wait. Or actually I won’t I think I’ll go listen to Money for Nothing on Spotify on any of five or six operating systems.<p>Tech is wasted on people like this. Show some appreciation for the miracles around us. Spotify is one of them.
woah4 months ago
I&#x27;m so confused by these complaints. I use Spotify every day, and just type in the music I want to listen to. You click on a song and it plays. How are people getting all wrapped up in whether some podcast shows up on some screen, or whether there&#x27;s AI generated music on there, or if the Electron app is properly optimized?
throwaway20374 months ago
I want to focus on non-AI complaints for my question. Each time Spotify comes up on HN, the sentiment is dominated by nitpicking negative comments. To be clear, I am a musical normie that looks forward to daily Spotify to listen to popular music. I also don&#x27;t mind the phone app, web app, and even Linux desktop app (what a blessing).<p>My question to the haters: If Spotify is so bad, as you claim, why haven&#x27;t we seen a flurry of competitors emerge? My guess: Licensing a large enough set of music to make a compelling alternative is the primary moat.<p>Last point: While I believe people and their stories about AI gen&#x27;d slop appearing in their playlists, I have not experienced the same. Are my musical tastes so bland that they just don&#x27;t bother? (No trolling to others on that one... Just poking a bit of fun at myself.)
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idontwantthis4 months ago
When does this actually happen? I can imagine it on their background music playlists (and wouldn’t really mind it) but I’ve never encountered it on any playlist at least as far as I’m aware. Is it only electronic music or will they AI you an entire 5 piece rock band?
swyx4 months ago
without any hate to the well intentioned engineers working on the thing, spotify has just exceedingly poor product taste in any number of dimensions<p>- the godawful ai dj they tried to force on pple<p>- buying gimlet media and running it into the toilet. some of the world&#x27;s best and favorite podcasts, gone because some swedish billionaire decided to throw all his money into foie grasing a perfectly fine niche media company.<p>- buying anchor and going absolutely nowhere with it. it was never good so whatever. nice try i guess.<p>- locking up joe rogan and whoever to try to put walled gardens around podcasting (to this day when you go to a spotify page for a podcast it acts like it has never heard of &quot;RSS&quot; or &quot;mp3&quot;. fucking offensive)<p>- they habitually screw over musicians <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;harpers.org&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2025&#x2F;01&#x2F;the-ghosts-in-the-machine-liz-pelly-spotify-musicians&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;harpers.org&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2025&#x2F;01&#x2F;the-ghosts-in-the-machin...</a><p>- reggie watts: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.instagram.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;DEhAr7lx7CI&#x2F;?igsh=bXBpZ25kczMyZ3d0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.instagram.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;DEhAr7lx7CI&#x2F;?igsh=bXBpZ25kczMyZ3...</a><p>- bjork: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;variety.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;music&#x2F;news&#x2F;bjork-spotify-streaming-worst-thing-for-musicians-1236285477&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;variety.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;music&#x2F;news&#x2F;bjork-spotify-streaming-...</a><p>- they faked spotify wrapped numbers <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;hello__caitlin&#x2F;status&#x2F;1864367028758565216?s=46" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;hello__caitlin&#x2F;status&#x2F;1864367028758565216?s=46</a><p>- this is petty but they are a big step back from winamp and that is just slop <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;riomadeit&#x2F;status&#x2F;1878556039676666024" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;riomadeit&#x2F;status&#x2F;1878556039676666024</a><p>i will say ONE nice thing. Gustav Soderstrom himself does make a pretty damn good podcast about spotify <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;newsroom.spotify.com&#x2F;2021-03-11&#x2F;introducing-the-new-miniseries-spotify-a-product-story&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;newsroom.spotify.com&#x2F;2021-03-11&#x2F;introducing-the-new-...</a> . its a real shame his product is mostly riding the highs of early good decisions.
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nine_k4 months ago
I don&#x27;t care too much if music is played by a living virtuoso live, created in a DAW with a ton of synths, samples, and sequencers, or completely synthesized by an AI model. What I care about is that music be good not plagiarized.<p>If Spotify offered AI-generated tracks of stunning beauty and sterling production quality, I might even consider subscribing to it. But apparently the &quot;slop&quot; which the post refers to is far from this heavenly ideal.<p>So I stay with YouTube premium and keep buying music on Bandcamp from the authors.
miunau4 months ago
I switched to Tidal about 8 years ago after discovering how bad the Spotify encoding was. With some songs the high end is just complete garbage that physically makes my ears hurt, for example Enigma&#x27;s Cross Of Changes. The encoding on that is so bad on Spotify, or at least used to be. What a waste of money, effort and computing resources.<p>Of course, the best way is to buy either digital or physical releases, which I do for the ones that stick with me.
nialv74 months ago
For people moving off Spotify, have a look at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;listenbrainz.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;listenbrainz.org</a>. You can sync your listens to there and it will give you weekly recommendations. From my experience so far they are decent.<p>Note they don&#x27;t host songs themselves, but will auto-search youtube&#x2F;bandcamp&#x2F;etc. and play the closest match. So YMMV.
cdme4 months ago
They also commission half-baked slop from session musicians for a fixed rate and then feed it into playlists to reduce the payouts due to artists.<p>Between churning licenses, AI and session slop, it’s not a usable platform nor one worth supporting. It didn’t even start as a music platform — it was advertising first and music was determined to be an affordable draw.
vFunct4 months ago
Are these made by Spotify themselves so they don’t have to pay artists?
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DroidPort4 months ago
Are they greyed out because you blocked them? I&#x27;m confused?<p>I&#x27;m 99% my discover weekly hasn&#x27;t had one yet... and I have a full archive of all my discover weekly&#x27;s from the last 4 years... Can anybody show me a simple way to check for AI Gnerated content in this list?
willlma4 months ago
Since people are reminiscing on the loss of their favorite music services from the past, I&#x27;d like to add We Are Hunted [1] to the list.<p>&gt; proprietary search technology which continuously scanned the Internet to identify the hottest new music in the world.<p>For a short period is was the best way to discover new unknown music. It was bought by Twitter, folded into Twitter music (even though they never created a comparable feature) and killed along with it.<p>If anyone knows anything like this that exists today, please let me know.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;We_Are_Hunted" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;We_Are_Hunted</a>
themichaellai4 months ago
Is the belief that these tracks are being generated and placed by Spotify themselves, or is it possible that third parties are uploading generated music? Are other streaming services liable to encounter the same issue?
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ripped_britches4 months ago
I feel like there should definitely be some good parts about AI music. Probably a lot of slop today, but I’m open to AI entertainment possibly surpassing human entertainment in some cases. Or hybrid.
andrewmcwatters4 months ago
This is totally an “ackchyually” comment, but the last time I checked, Spotify wasn’t an Electron app.<p>It’s a Chromium Embedded Framework app, and they publish nightlies of CEF.<p>Maybe they’ve moved over, but I doubt it.
Barrin924 months ago
We&#x27;re actually entering the timeline where you have to migrate to some Neal Stephenson Anathem-esque (digital) monastery where people cultivate knowledge. He really was onto this trend, in the newer <i>Dodge</i> books as well.<p>Maybe this is one of the few pro-social use cases for crypto, some sort of alternative net where people are verifiably real and content is authentic. I genuinely cannot understand how platforms are not taking more aggressive measures against this stuff.
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wenbin4 months ago
soon, you’ll see a lot of ai-generated fake podcasts in podcast player apps. Here’s a list of such fake podcasts (several thousands, many are in Apple Podcasts) : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kaggle.com&#x2F;datasets&#x2F;listennotes&#x2F;ai-generated-fake-podcasts-spams" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kaggle.com&#x2F;datasets&#x2F;listennotes&#x2F;ai-generated-fak...</a>
apricot134 months ago
I have a slight y different issue on Spotify and YouTube music. during the day I listen to lo-fi and at night sometimes as background music. this has lead to my entire suggestion list being 4 hour long tracks and nothing related to my actual music I like! I guess most of that lo-fi stuff is now AI generated as well.
Boogie_Man4 months ago
I stoped using Spotify when they committed the unforgivable UI sin of &quot;loading a page and then moving elements on that page when web calls complete&quot; that resulted in me clicking on something other than what I had intended to because it changed with my thumb a nanometer from the screen. It was a good 20% of the time and it made me insane.
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indigodaddy4 months ago
I dig my YT music quite a bit. Love the plethora of mixes they give me with various smatterings of artists I listen to that go together nicely, plus some new artists in the same vein layered in.. And their holy grail My Supermix rarely misses for me..<p>Haven&#x27;t noticed anything AI-created yet. That would really suck if it did happen..
jppope4 months ago
dunno about the AI generated, but their discover weekly algorithm definitely changed a couple of months ago. I went from getting a nice mix of post-2012 music, new, fresh, to a ton of songs I listened to in when I was first getting into music. Very frustrating
Dig1t4 months ago
I have several songs that I actually like which are AI songs.. maybe they just need to label them explicitly as AI? Or maybe they need a way to filter it out.<p>There are some honestly funny and interesting AI generated songs out there.
jacobjjacob4 months ago
I just quit Spotify because they kicked my family off the family plan without hardly any warning. Apple Music has a family plan and they <i>don’t require that you live at the same address</i><p>Never looking back!
wwweston4 months ago
Years ago, I saw a sign at a junkyard mechanic&#x27;s shopyard: &quot;We screw the other guy and pass the savings on to you.&quot; I laughed, as one does. A little dark humor goes a surprisingly long way, though the darkness feels stickier and the levity more trivial as you realize that maybe the laugh is meant to take the sting out of the truth that you may never know if you&#x27;re the other guy or not.<p>This is what Spotify was from the beginning. It was always going to be exploitative, it was always going to turn to the dark side and embrace the every form of enshittification possible because it was <i>born</i> that way.<p>It was born out of sleight of hand between broadcast and retail.<p>It was born out of papering over the economics of piracy with a thin veener of false legitimacy, where the word <i>decimated</i> doesn&#x27;t begin to cover what actually happened to artist payouts because it&#x27;s off by more than an order of magnitude. The shameless scale of it would make Walmart blush.<p>It was born out of collecting consumers with convenience and a dash of zeitgeist.<p>It was born screwing the people who create the work the platform depends on and passing the savings on to you.<p>Screwing with you was inevitable, it was just put off until later.
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johnfn4 months ago
This article doesn&#x27;t really gratify my intellectual curiosity.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html</a>
tonymet4 months ago
we need generalized transparency &amp; control for AI content. a standard for metadata annotations, watermarking &amp; UI indicators to inform consumers of AI content and allow them to screen it out.<p>The problem with the AI content is that it cheapens real content . I&#x27;m not talking about the money, i mean the intrinsic and emotional value experienced when connecting with the content. AI pictures make you feel less engaged when you see a real picture from a friend.
sandos4 months ago
Their &quot;disover weekly&quot; has never been great for me. But their DJ is perfect.. its what I listen to 99% of the time tbh. No AI slop as far as I can tell :)
pryelluw4 months ago
I cancelled Spotify last year when that started happening. YouTube playlists are my thing now. Not as good but can get around this crap and it’s free
darepublic4 months ago
youtube with ublock on is the ultimate music website
joshdavham4 months ago
Are there any good AI-generated songs out there that are actually good to the point that you&#x27;d add it to one of your playlists?
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blackeyeblitzar4 months ago
Spotify is terrible but mostly because the interface is bad. It has so many frustrating changes that no one asked for that have accumulated over time and little annoyances &#x2F; bugs that’ll never be fixed. I feel like basic things such as managing playlists or navigating my library are harder than they need to be. They deserve to lose.<p>I’m curious about some of the newer services such as Qobuz or Deezer or Tidal. Are they any better?
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presentation4 months ago
Thought it was going to be about Shopify.
ljlolel4 months ago
Hangout.fm has no AI slop, all human
dejawu4 months ago
It&#x27;s astonishing just how awful Spotify&#x27;s software is. Everything it does, it does poorly, even down to things like playback and playlists that were figured out by other media players decades ago. Just this week, it started randomly playing music on its own when I open it. The fact that this thread has over a hundred comments within an hour speaks to just how despised it is.<p>Spotify truly isn&#x27;t a software company the same way your health insurance company has a web portal but isn&#x27;t a software company either.
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phil9174 months ago
I can&#x27;t even properly put into words my hatred for AI generated &quot;music&quot;
andonumb4 months ago
Kudos to all the people who shared their opinions and mentioned many alternative services and tools. When I wrote the original post, I didn&#x27;t know it would end up on HN and spark a discussion here, which means the topic is relevant. It&#x27;s not just about the slop music itself, but the way Spotify is evolving (or devolving).<p>I enjoyed the Weekly Discovery and Made For You playlists for years and its suggestion mechanisms were just what I needed. I could tolerate the terrible UI and other minor flaws of the app as long as the excitement of discovering new music continued. I also didn&#x27;t like the special promotions, podcast recommendations, and other novelties, but the real value was there and it kept me paying for the service.<p>The changes started around 2020, when the playlists started to contain fewer songs and artists that I could call discoveries. I found myself in what could be called a music bubble, and it didn&#x27;t feel like it was growing much.<p>Also, when I first started using Spotify, I spent a lot of time in the app and was more involved in the listening process. Now I was mostly just hitting the button, minimizing the window, and listening to music in the background. It became less interesting. I&#x27;d come back to the app occasionally to skip (or block) a track I didn&#x27;t like. And then came the AI-generated tracks, which was the last straw for me.<p>Not that I hate Spotify, it&#x27;s just sad to see it go the way of enshitification. It probably still meets the needs of millions of other users, but I&#x27;m no longer one of them. In fact, I&#x27;m grateful for the opportunity to be more conscious about my hobby again. I still have my mp3 library that I&#x27;ve been building since the late 1990s, and I still buy and donate to artists from time to time, so I just have to relearn how to do the things that AI algorithms have tried (and failed) to do for me.
skybrian4 months ago
I don&#x27;t see why Spotify&#x27;s suggestions are all that important. I use it when I want full control over what I&#x27;m going to listen to. I search for artists and songs I learned about somewhere else and make my own playlists.
chrsw4 months ago
I wonder if an AI recommender system can recognize AI music
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ge964 months ago
What&#x27;s people&#x27;s opinion on VS Code that&#x27;s Electron based<p>edit: personally if I just use my playlist spotify is fine for me, except the 4GB ram issue on 64bit but that&#x27;s rare&#x2F;may be old news now
conception4 months ago
If you’re looking for Classical - Idagio is amazing.
cdme4 months ago
Host your own music on Jellyfin or Plex + Plexamp.
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2-3-7-43-18074 months ago
what do you guys use if not spotify? especially if one is interested in discovering new music then radio.garden is hard to beat.
pipeline_peak4 months ago
You can’t avoid something you can’t notice ;)
4d4m4 months ago
This is why I offer free mp3s on my site :)
depingus4 months ago
TLDR; Bandcamp + Beets + Navidrome + Symfonium<p>Long time paid Spotify user. Soon to be ex-paid user. This resonates with me. For a while now, I have been pretty unhappy with the way I consume music. Yes, because Spotify has become shit. The UI is hostile. Their business practices makes me feel bad for using it. And everything else already mentioned in other comments. But there&#x27;s something else.<p>My spotify Liked has about 2400 songs. And I can&#x27;t name most of them. If you played one for me, chances are I wouldn&#x27;t even know the artist. It all feels so... disposable. How did I get here? I hit like a few times on Discover Weekly, each week. And now...I have this mess! Spotify recommends me songs that sound exactly like other songs...that I can&#x27;t remember the name of. I can&#x27;t go back to check. Weeks later I hear it! Or is this the new one that sounds like the old one? I don&#x27;t know. It&#x27;s all so surreal and so different than the before times.<p>In my yutes would buy albums and absolutely devour them whole. Every track. I would listen to just that album for days or weeks. I couldn&#x27;t afford to buy all the music, so I squeezed every drop of enjoyment I could out the music I had. I think I enjoyed the music much more, back when I had much less.<p>So, with that nostalgic feeling in mind. I&#x27;m starting a new system of music consumption. I&#x27;m going back to the old ways! Instead of paying Spotify $12&#x2F;mo to shovel all the shit in my face, I&#x27;m going to spend $12&#x2F;mo on Bandcamp (or equivalent) to buy an album and pour over it for the whole month, until I buy the next album.<p>I don&#x27;t know if this will work. I don&#x27;t know how I&#x27;m going to handle discovery. But I have to do something; And this is something. A few weeks ago I bought some music. Threw it into a Beets.io library. Setup a Navidrome server inside my vpn. I listen with Symfonium on my phone (good offline features there).<p>Now I&#x27;m trying to really listen to the music again; not just mindlessly consume it like disposable content. It feels like this muscle has completely atrophied. Lyrics don&#x27;t stick like they used to. I don&#x27;t instantly remember the track order. Listening to an entire album takes some effort. Maybe though, that&#x27;s the way it should be.
scotty794 months ago
Is there an app for AI music exclusively?
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richardfulop4 months ago
if you guys into discovering electronic music I highly recommend cosine.club (created by hurfyd)
ssalka4 months ago
I stopped paying for Spotify years ago and instead make playlists on there that I can feed into any of the various websites that will rip mp3s for you. Yes they are 128kbps, but for casual listening, it&#x27;s fine. Some tools will try to match against YouTube and download audio from there, since apparently in some cases YouTube will have higher audio quality.<p>Unfortunately the free version of the Spotify iOS app is absolute unusable garbage.
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TheAtomic4 months ago
Tidal
gdilla4 months ago
Listen to real djs on YouTube and SoundCloud. Always better than Spotify - long sets all blended by, gasp, a human.
moltar4 months ago
Does anyone have any good tools for migrating off of spotify?<p>And where to go?<p>I’d like Apple but their apps are horrendous and they completely bastardized the classic Music app pre streaming.
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portaouflop4 months ago
Spotify was shit exploitative grift even without AI — if AI manages to kill it for good that’s just one more argument for it imo
antigeox4 months ago
My Spotify experience was poisoned as soon as I signed up some 8 years ago to try it; I realized there was no way to remove the popular but garbage music from the dashboard. It was essentially advertising space for slop. So I cancelled my subscription within 1-2 days. I instead ended up going with Youtube Music which doesn&#x27;t try to push propaganda on me and instead either shows me what I have in my library already that I have saved and&#x2F;or uploaded myself, and music that they think I&#x27;d enjoy based off of my library.<p>Prior to this like many other people I was a hardcore Grooveshark fan&#x2F;user. There were other services, but their names escape me at the moment. I was looking for a replacement and platforms kept coming and going, but Youtube Music (for all of Google&#x27;s faults) seem to have stayed all this time. I&#x27;m still using it, it&#x27;s still not pushing slop on me. I&#x27;m happy.<p>As an aside, accepting that I&#x27;m in the minority here speaking on behalf of them, I am not someone who would write a blog post announcing that I&#x27;m leaving some shitty platform. I&#x27;ll just cancel my sub and move on. I don&#x27;t need nor want to grandstand regardless of AI or just people&#x27;s shit taste.
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ZYbCRq22HbJ2y74 months ago
It is unfortunate that the term &quot;slop&quot; is being adopted for this.<p>Make a new word! Slop has so many meanings already.<p>&#x2F;half-s
andrewfromx4 months ago
But the future is obvious right? If an AI citizen pays taxes, contributes to society, and has the same rights as humans, why would their creative expression be considered less &quot;real&quot; than a human&#x27;s? They would be a legitimate member of society expressing themselves through music, just like any other citizen.
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