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Ask HN: Future of Windows operating system and application

14 pointsby thorin3 months ago
Now that windows is more tightly integrating with linux and supporting wsl etc and applications are increasingly xplatform e.g. vs code in electron on linux, apple etc where do we see this ending. Is there much change in how windows is evolving under the hood or in the way (previously) native applications are being developed? Although Windows is seen as less relevant these days mainly due to the increase in share of mobile and tablets, in the corporate world I still see everything I do with everything client is 99% windows in terms of the desktop&#x2F;laptop infrastructure (even though it doesn&#x27;t need to be).<p>Are you aware of any current writings on the subject and strategy of the Windows OS team?

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devwastaken3 months ago
Linux is not integrated to Windows. WSL is just a VM with some convenience features.
carlosjobim3 months ago
The entire PC and Windows ecosystem is based on that the purchaser is not the user. Corporate will keep purchasing sub-par hardware with a sub-par operating system and sub-par software, because they&#x27;re looking at a primitive spec sheet and feature list, without taking anything else into account.<p>Developers (for corporate customers) will keep making their software as cheaply as possible and the user experience will continue to decline while Windows and PC sales increase to corporate customers. These platforms will continue to decline in relevance for consumer use.<p>That&#x27;s my prediction.
Zeetah3 months ago
Vscode had been wildly, and widely successful for Microsoft.<p>I think that&#x27;s the direction Office is going. I think that model will be used on other applications...<p>Personally, I keep thinking of switching to Linux because the performance (compile) is higher, and so much code is easier to build and use.<p>I would be beyond thrilled if Microsoft would allow users to uninstall&#x2F;decrapify Windows. The hypocrisy of - the browser is part of the OS and cannot be uninstalled and then it was when edge was released is insulting to users.
nitwit0053 months ago
Since Channel 9 died, I&#x27;m not sure there is any good source for insight into what people are working on in terms of OS internals.<p>You can look at a list of new features for Windows 11, but aside from your mentioned support for Linux&#x2F;Android, there isn&#x27;t anything that would impact how most apps are developed: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Features_new_to_Windows_11" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Features_new_to_Windows_11</a>
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scarface_743 months ago
In most enterprise jobs aside from specialized, vertical markets, the operating system doesn’t matter. So why not use Windows PCs? They are cheaper, companies like Dell have great enterprise support contracts, IT installed malware (ie MDM software) is mature, etc.<p>In tech oriented companies, employees are usually given a choice between Windows or Macs.
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rkagerer3 months ago
This may sound unexpected, but the Win32 API is still perfectly functional, and is probably your most solid foundation for any native development efforts you want to ensure continue to work long term. It&#x27;s found a degree of support on other platforms (e.g. Wine&#x2F;Proton, even quirky upstarts like ReactOS) and if Windows goes the way of the dodo my gut says the industry will find a way to breathe life support to that layer. As a bonus your binaries can be small and self-contained. .NET looks like its future is bright as well (was really glad to see Core, open sourcing, and their strides to unleash the stack beyond Windows).<p>No inside info here, but as a lifelong Windows developer and user, I&#x27;m disappointed in the route Microsoft took with their OS. Feels like decades of poor business decisions and squandered opportunity. Throwing all kinds of new methodologies out there without a clear vision. Arbitrarily designating older technologies as outdated then doing a poor job of reinventing them (looking at you WinFS), and an obsession with trying to add &quot;more&quot; when cleaning up and refining what they had first would have served better. I&#x27;m still annoyed by the whole &quot;we need to fatten all our directory names to show off long filename support&quot; which to this day left us ugly artifacts like &quot;Program Files (x86)&quot;, linked folders you can&#x27;t easily open, redundant places for registry settings (...don&#x27;t forget SysWOW64), autoruns spattered all over the place (the SysInternals tool of the same name does a great job of surfacing), the list goes on. The transition from 16-bit to 32-bit was cleaner than 32-bit to 64-bit, I suspect because the developers who worked on the former were &quot;closer to the metal&quot; and could just make the changes in the code instead of spending 10X the effort on workarounds. If there are insiders in the room who say otherwise I&#x27;d love to be corrected.<p>Windows 7 was the last edition I could tolerate. The user-hostility of Win 10 and 11 is a non-starter for me (ads, telemetry, ramming broken updates down your throat that brick your PC as the worst time, their trajectory toward forcing TPM so that you no longer own the keys to your castle, etc). They&#x27;re copy-catting some of the worst practices by competitors in a big race to the bottom. It&#x27;s a real shame, because the kernel team made some great improvements under the hood in the meantime.<p>If this sounds like an old person rant, I guess it&#x27;s because it is. It hurts, as I grew up with this OS, became incredibly proficient with it, gathered and built an ecosystem of tools to support how I work, started a business on their stack, helped customers adopt it to be successful, cultivated a reputation, etc. I still hope someone with authority at Microsoft smartens up and sets a course correction, the way they were late but eventually did embrace the Web and open source. I was always skeptical of the whole &quot;Windows 10 is the last version that will ever be&quot; nonsense, and waited it out hoping when they readopted version numbers Windows 11 would arrive along with a renewed focus on putting the user first. But at the moment I&#x27;m resigned to the likelihood I&#x27;ll have to figure out which version of Linux will work best for me and get serious about adopting it.
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gjvc3 months ago
MSFT seem to be paying more attention to the user experience of Office than they do of Windows.
mike_hearn3 months ago
They do have a small number of initiatives, e.g. WinRT (a replacement for Win32), and they&#x27;re introducing Apple-style sandboxing for apps distributed using MSIX, their &quot;new&quot; packaging technology. However, this tech is hard to use out-of-the-box. I have a company that sells a cross-platform tool which makes shipping code that uses new technologies for cross-platform apps much easier [1], and in particular, lets you ship from non-Windows platforms like Linux CI machines or Mac developer laptops.<p>There&#x27;s DirectStorage, a new API for games developers which I think is a port of tech developed for the Xbox.<p>But otherwise, not really no. Windows appears to be in maintenance mode. Large parts of its development were outsourced to India, the higher level executives are disengaged. Their social media is full of left-wing Current Thing viral sharing rather than anything about developing Windows apps (see the bsky links in another post for examples). They are in some core tech areas nearly 20 years behind Apple. If there&#x27;s any kind of strategy, it&#x27;s not widely known. They seem to be faced with two intersecting problems:<p>1. Nobody targets the Windows API anymore directly, the only app that matters is Chrome and if the Chrome guys don&#x27;t add support for something then that API will just go unused. Browsers have a policy of not exposing tech that&#x27;s platform specific. So this dynamic is killing all desktop operating systems, not just Windows. Nobody is investing much in desktop Linux anymore, Apple <i>do</i> still invest in macOS albeit not at a huge level, I think because there&#x27;s still an ecosystem of Apple-native apps out there. But even so they&#x27;ve focused on initiatives like Catalyst. Microsoft have tried to fix this by forking Chrome into Edge, but the Edge team seem reluctant to add any unique Windows features, perhaps because the Chrome codebase just isn&#x27;t set up to handle that kind of extension.<p>2. The Windows codebase has reached end of life, IMO. It&#x27;s notable that the new APIs or changes they make to existing APIs are all very buggy or have obvious design problems, and that Microsoft&#x27;s own stable of apps don&#x27;t get rewritten on top of them at any kind of speed. The core Win32 API is what nearly everything uses but was abandoned years ago, and if you use it your app will by default still look much like a Windows 95 app would. They seem unable to change it in any meaningful way, and also unable to design a sufficiently compelling competitor to HTML.<p>It&#x27;s still amazing to me that Marc Andreessen said in the mid 90s, &quot;Netscape will reduce Windows to a poorly debugged set of device drivers&quot; and that prediction actually came true.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hydraulic.dev&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hydraulic.dev&#x2F;</a>