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Why Do Startups Do This?

276 pointsby ringmasteralmost 13 years ago

30 comments

mgurlitzalmost 13 years ago
&#62; The big logo-y thing at the top of your blog page? Yes, the one that currently links to your blog? Right, that one. It shouldn't link to your damned blog! Link it to your product's home page instead.<p>Every time I have to manually cut the /blog/ out of the location bar I wonder how many users were lost by requiring that little bit of extra effort.
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ed209almost 13 years ago
Same goes for newsletters / emails that I joined via a splash page or holding page. At the very top of the email tell me:<p><pre><code> 1. You're receiving this email because you joined XXXX's beta waiting list on xx June 2012 2. XXXX is a product that helps you do .... </code></pre> Basically remind me what you do and how you got my details.
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jiggy2011almost 13 years ago
I hate it when people decide to slap a blog section on their website and it is completely disjointed from the rest of the site.<p>Usually this seems to happen because they have used some customised system to build their website and then just slapped wordpress or something on to use as the blog.<p>So as mentioned in the article you hit the blog page and "home" now takes you back to the home of the blog even though the site looks like the rest of the site.<p>Even worse when it's a tumblr or something and you have now ended up in a completely seperate Silo.<p>I can't imagine this is good for SEO purposes either.<p>The number of time this sin is committed by companies selling <i>design</i> services boggles the mind.
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sopooneoalmost 13 years ago
This all boils down to a rule I have for myself whenever addressing a large audience: start by stating the obvious.<p>This does two things. First, it gives people an easy mental on-ramp to follow the thread of what you are saying. And second, it forces you to back way up and cover the ground that is so central to your world you would probably forget to say it, even though it is completely unknown to most of your audience.
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debaclealmost 13 years ago
The "Tell me what your product does on every blog page" is one that Atwood is great at. The SO byline is very unobtrusive, but I would also assume informative to anyone who doesn't know what SO is.<p>It was so simple, and it has probably brought SO a ton of first-time viewers.
omgseanalmost 13 years ago
I think some people want to blog without it seeming like one big advertising. Sometimes I read articles on startup blogs and think "why are they even writing about this" until I get 2/3rds of the way through and realize I'm reading an infomercial.
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dredmorbiusalmost 13 years ago
Wholehearted agreement with Owen's post.<p>On point #2: describe your product <i>in clear, what-it-does language</i>.<p>Mistakes I see are emphasizing: <i>how</i> it does it (C, Java, OO, Rails, REST, ...), <i>where</i> it does it (PC, mobile, Mac, Cloud, ...), "ecosystems" it integrates with (Social, FB, Oracle, ...), <i>who</i> your investors or team are (VC, founders, investors...) etc. All of which may or may not be particularly relevant, but ... they're not key to <i>me</i> understanding what <i>you</i> do. Tell me these things, but focus on the <i>what</i> first.<p>Use direct, actionable language, <i>not</i> vague or nebulous terms. It's a "NFS file security permissions auditor", not "Cloud information assets security tool".<p>Describe a workflow or workflows <i>from the perspective of your users</i>. Not developers. Not architects. Not<p>This doesn't just apply to startups. I use a lot of Free Software, and many of these projects also fail to describe themselves clearly (though most, especially over time, eventually get it right, if only because other people can come in and rewrite idiotic descriptions). Reading through a list of package descriptions from Debian or Ubuntu, where a pithy, one-line description is your shingle to the world, should give a sense of good and bad descriptions.<p>Even long-established technologies such as Java suffer from this.<p>At www.java.com we have "What is Java?": "Java allows you to play online games, chat with people around the world, calculate your mortgage interest, and view images in 3D, just to name a few. It's also integral to the intranet applications and other e-business solutions that are the foundation of corporate computing." Um. OK. open <a href="http://www.java.com/en/download/whatis_java.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.java.com/en/download/whatis_java.jsp</a><p>At Oracle, we have a Java landing page with ... no description of the technology or its components (which aren't self-evident): <a href="http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/index.html</a><p>One of the best succinct summaries I've seen in recent memory is from jwz's "Java Sucks" page:<p>there are four completely different things that go by the name "Java": 1. A [programming] language, 2. An enormous class library, 3. A virtual machine, 4. A security model. <a href="http://www.jwz.org/doc/java.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jwz.org/doc/java.html</a><p>Now <i>that</i> is something I can wrap my head around (he also goes on to describe strengths and weaknesses of each component, good essay, read it, it's still disappointingly relevant).<p>Note though: the best product description comes from a critic. If you fail to clearly define yourself, your critics will.
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porterhaneyalmost 13 years ago
Same could be said of this blog:<p>Asymptomatic There must be intelligent life down here<p>Doesn't tell me very much about who the author is, what he typically writes about.
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frankphilipsalmost 13 years ago
While I do agree that the product link should be obvious on the blog page, I don't think it should be overly pervasive. A logo on the sidebar is more then enough. The main purpose of the blog is to write engaging content that correlates with your product. Startups should stop trying to use the blogs just to increase SEO rankings, rather focus on creating conversations and build relationships with potential customers and users.
hansyalmost 13 years ago
Thank you. It's irritating when the blog link is blog.companyname.com and I have to manually replace the "blog" part with "www."
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francov88almost 13 years ago
Both very good points. I've even been guilty of it here and there... the trick is in making sure that the call to action is simple, present and not being deterred by anything else.<p>Having friends review is great, but sitting an intelligent stranger down and asking them to perform certain actions is what most startups need.
alttabalmost 13 years ago
Many a time I've posted on HN comments something to the effect of, "that's great, but I have no idea what Your product is." it's extra lethal if your company or product name doesn't describe anything at all to those not familiar with "FooBarlr".
efaalmost 13 years ago
I've run into this so often; I'm glad I'm not the only one. I often have to revert to modifying the URL just to get to their main page (change blog.company.com to company.com) after finding no possible way to link to the home page.
krogsgardalmost 13 years ago
"If you're using software like WordPress or PHPBB (What that hell were you thinking?)"<p>What exactly did WordPress have to do with his point?<p>Using WordPress for your entire product site makes a ton of sense for most companies. You can have your blog and your product info all on the same site. No subdomain blog. No separate SEO. It's simple to link the logo to the product, and have custom sidebars or after-content widget areas with a call to action. Your blog is part of your site, and feeds traffic to your product. Everything integrated. Easy to use. What's his problem again?
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BryanB55almost 13 years ago
Good points, I haven't really noticed this all that often.<p>I'm actually designing a blog for a new startup now and the first elements I created were at the top of the right sidebar with a quick "what we do" summary with a call to action button at the end. Also used the author summary box at the bottom of the article with similar content. I think just a quick "We're xyz company and we do [whatever benefit you offer]" and a "Learn More" button is a quick, clean and concise way of putting that out there.
JonLimalmost 13 years ago
Could not agree more.<p>Using something like Wordpress, it's not difficult to put a little box at the bottom of every post explaining what your product is and where I can learn more.
mgualtalmost 13 years ago
I agree with the advice, and I offer some in return about Habari: hire someone to make your demo video non-awful. The "muzak" and slow pacing alone were enough to send me running away from the whole project. A production that aesthetically displeasing is a sure sign of an unappealing product/environment.
munsonbhalmost 13 years ago
When you post a link to Habari at the bottom of your post, it would be nice if the screenshot IMGs weren't broken on screenshots page. That is also annoying.<p><a href="http://habariproject.org/en/screenshots" rel="nofollow">http://habariproject.org/en/screenshots</a>
jazzychadalmost 13 years ago
Yep, totally agree. I even wrote a very similar rant here several weeks ago: <a href="http://blog.jazzychad.net/2012/05/28/startups-fix-your-blog-links.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.jazzychad.net/2012/05/28/startups-fix-your-blog-...</a>
thijseralmost 13 years ago
Great advice! I just changed it for our blog, we had the big logo at the top linking to the main page already, but I realized we didn't have a short description of what we do. Blogger allowed this to be easily added to the sidebar.
acangianoalmost 13 years ago
I posted this not too long ago: <a href="http://technicalblogging.com/5-common-blogging-mistakes-made-by-startups/" rel="nofollow">http://technicalblogging.com/5-common-blogging-mistakes-made...</a><p>I cover the same two mistakes, plus a few more.
tsychoalmost 13 years ago
To the OP: You link to your product, but when I click on the link, the images don't work - <a href="http://habariproject.org/en/screenshots" rel="nofollow">http://habariproject.org/en/screenshots</a>
tibbonalmost 13 years ago
Similarly, a huge % of bloggers overall make it impossible to contact them via their blog. I've never understood this unless you're intentionally being evasive.
incisionalmost 13 years ago
I must have read about how Airbnb was "redefining the space"and taking all sorts of problems at least half a dozen times before I had any idea what it was.
benologistalmost 13 years ago
I think there should be a #3 .... startups that devote their blogs to random hn fluff about <i>being a startup</i> rather than whatever they actually do.
kinalmost 13 years ago
Completely agree! The extra effort to go to the actual product's website makes me wonder if the startup even knows this is an issue.
bluetideproalmost 13 years ago
Anyone have a mirror or different URL? It seems to be down for me...
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davidradcliffealmost 13 years ago
Amen! I've been saying the same thing: <a href="https://twitter.com/dwradcliffe/status/209703542192222208" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/dwradcliffe/status/209703542192222208</a>
mindcrimealmost 13 years ago
Good point. We don't currently do this very well on the Fogbeam[1] blog[2], and I'll be making it a point to address that later this evening. Thanks for posting this and bringing this point to the forefront!<p>[1]: <a href="http://www.fogbeam.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.fogbeam.com</a><p>[2]: <a href="http://fogbeam.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://fogbeam.blogspot.com</a>
tudorwalmost 13 years ago
I recommend excessive use of the &#60;blink&#62; tag around any product mentions to really hammer things home :)
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