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Gumroad CEO is no longer hiring junior/mid-level software engineers due to AI

42 pointsby colesantiago3 months ago

24 comments

awwstn3 months ago
The way he talks about Deep Research (which came out this week) as a core part of the workflow is the clearest tell that this is engagement bait. "No longer hiring junior or even mid-level software engineers"...as of what, 4 days ago? Gumroad famously has no full-time employees and a tiny team. So he went from not hiring junior engineers, to using AI and also not hiring junior engineers.
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isgb3 months ago
A few of our mid-level engineers started sending in PRs with worse than usual code in the last few months. It all compiles, but:<p>- There&#x27;s a bunch of missing edge cases and requirements (details that don&#x27;t end up on tickets but have been discussed)<p>- Sometimes we see completely useless codepaths. If statements and function calls that don&#x27;t lead anywhere, or don&#x27;t need to be called.<p>- We follow a few very specific patterns for code safety reasons and suddenly it looka like those are being completely disregarded.<p>- Our integration tests started being super flaky.<p>After several one-on-ones with them, we realized they were using some AI tool. No clue which one.<p>I know that these tools are going to get better, but I fear that junior&#x2F;mid-level developers are going to handicap their development if they use them like they do now.<p>Code quality also suffers. I&#x27;m also afraid that in the short to medium term codebases are going to get _a lot worse_ introducing some very expensive tech debt.<p>On the bright side, I know now that I don&#x27;t want to work at Gumroad. I already spend a huge amount time reviewing PRs. I don&#x27;t want to waste even more because someone didn&#x27;t prompt an AI accurately enough. What a waste of time and resources.
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Hasu3 months ago
As a senior+ engineer, I have no interest in working for a company that doesn&#x27;t hire junior or midlevel engineers. Mentoring the next generation is not only one of the most rewarding parts of my career, it also levels <i>me</i> up.<p>The US tech industry is committing slow suicide.
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mushufasa3 months ago
To be fair, this is a small software firm that famously runs lean, and has been outsourcing junior-level work to contractors for a while. See: &quot;no meetings, no deadlines, no fulltime employees&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sahillavingia.com&#x2F;work" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sahillavingia.com&#x2F;work</a><p>I can totally see AI-assisted code editors being more effective than back-and-forth with a contractor to define a job
ckocagil3 months ago
All the &quot;AI software engineer&quot; hype is about one thing: suppressing developer wages. Steve Jobs used to do this covertly, to some extent, with his &quot;no cold call&quot; anti-poaching agreements.<p>It&#x27;s a multi-prong attack. One angle is the interest rates and mass layoffs. Another angle is AI. There are more ridiculous ones, such as this &quot;study&quot; that claims 10% of devs do literally no work: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;yegordb&#x2F;status&#x2F;1859290734257635439" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;yegordb&#x2F;status&#x2F;1859290734257635439</a> - I expect many such studies to be conducted and generously funded by the industry in the coming years.<p>The big irony is how all this talk will lead to a decrease in the software engineer supply. Why would anyone choose a career that&#x27;s about to die?
krzyzanowskim3 months ago
that&#x27;s great. Amazing. Does it mean Gumroad will drop its high prices now when it no longer needs to pay to humans? Because that&#x27;s what actually be interesting news.<p>&quot;How do you know someone&#x27;s AI hypeman? Don&#x27;t worry, they&#x27;ll tell you&quot;
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muglug3 months ago
[Company nobody&#x27;s talked about in over a decade]<p>&quot;WE&#x27;RE GOING ALL IN ON AI&quot;
xnx3 months ago
Seems like the CEO is admitting that their tech moat is smaller than ever. Sounds like a good chance for someone to undercut their fees.
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layer83 months ago
&gt; It won’t be long until AI will be writing all the code for Helper, Flexile, and Gumroad. My guess is by the end of 2026.<p>It would be a reason for me to not rely on their code, for risk of it becoming unmaintainable.
Ajunne3 months ago
Absolutely no way this can go wrong of course.<p>Sometimes I wonder if we are the last generation that can still code by hand, and if more companies start to implement the same hiring rules as this guy, soon there will be no more junior devs since nobody can get a job, so give it 10 years and the amount of senior devs will be a finite resource that will slowly die out.
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bitzun3 months ago
The only creator I’m aware of on gumroad is humorous avowed racist and antisemite turned sketchy advice guy Sam Hyde.
AtlasBarfed3 months ago
When will AI replace CEOs?<p>It&#x27;s all just a bunch of rehashed corpospeak language anyway.
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franktankbank3 months ago
Desperate times signals.
vichle3 months ago
I wonder what happens when we run out of senior engineers.
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papichulo20233 months ago
Isnt 200k a ridiculous small &quot;codebase&quot;?
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Havoc3 months ago
Feels a bit premature. None of the tech is at „shove entire codebase into context and useful changes come out“ yet.
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worksonmine3 months ago
And who&#x27;s going to replace the seniors when they retire? Not his problem I guess.
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cratermoon3 months ago
So who is going to replace the senior engineers as they move on? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;shorts&#x2F;Ioi7DPTHG6A" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;shorts&#x2F;Ioi7DPTHG6A</a>
moribvndvs3 months ago
My father was a machinist for 25 years, then went into education for trade skills programs. One thing he tirelessly hit on with anyone who would listen was the mid to long term impact of the erosion of manufacturing and trade skills in America. This erosion was due in part to economics, raising kids to eschew blue collar jobs, and finally automation. Indeed, one of his later projects while still a machinist at Eveready Battery was working on automated production lines. His point relating to automation, other than the fact that not everything can or necessarily needs to be automated, was that automation still requires skilled labor, and in his experience, abandoning the next generation of workers results in a crisis of competency and ingenuity. Attrition of a workforce to install, maintain, improve, and integrate machines is a recipe for disaster down the line. Attrition of experts in systems and processes means we will have trouble innovating and reacting to changes in the world, and increases our reliance on black boxes– which provide the same capabilities to your competitors, by the way– and the jackals that sell them to us. My father was not opposed to automation; in fact, he appreciated that it sometimes made his job safer, or more productive, or less strenuous. However, he watched delusional and myopic managers with dollar signs floating in their eyes chasing their tails relentlessly for more and more automation with fewer and fewer people with the knowledge, skill, and responsibility to clean up their constant messes and keep the thing running.<p>No one gives a shit about Gumroad, but I fear similar problems in this industry at large. We have entered a time when we all feed from the same exorbitantly expensive, increasingly less nutritious, thin, gray gruel and will be fucked when the tap it comes from clogs or gets shut off.
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that_guy_iain3 months ago
If I was doing anything I would be hiring more junior&#x2F;mid-level since they could be supported more with AI. And reducing the amount of seniors I hired.
paxys3 months ago
Until recently layoffs, hiring freezes and stalled growth used to be a signal for investors to dump the company&#x27;s stock.<p>Now CEOs instead say &quot;we are replacing engineers with AI&quot; and the stock price shoots up.<p>Quite a grift we have going on.
agentultra3 months ago
It&#x27;s not AI replacing your jobs, it&#x27;s people who have the agency to do that. This is a choice. By a person. It&#x27;s not because technology and, &quot;oh well, what can you do?&quot;<p>As a customer of Gumroad I&#x27;d be cautious about trusting such a system.
aynyc3 months ago
You know what&#x27;s next right? Gumroad is longer paying content creator due to AI.
jonathanrmumm3 months ago
There has never been a more fertile environment for motivated learners to do more with less, and yet we still have a bias as an industry to seek the more experienced hand versus the energetic one.
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