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The Campaign to Delegitimize Wikipedia

58 pointsby DyslexicAtheist3 months ago

10 comments

insane_dreamer3 months ago
Whatever else you may think of Jimmy Wales, the fact that he has resisted temptation to turn Wikipedia into a mega-profitable ad-powered site or sell to Google or someone else is pretty unprecedented in recent tech history. Could have easily joined the "tres commas club".
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brox3 months ago
Molly White, a prolific Wikipedia editor, has written a good overview of how information source reliability is handled in practice: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.citationneeded.news&#x2F;elon-musk-and-the-rights-war-on-wikipedia&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.citationneeded.news&#x2F;elon-musk-and-the-rights-war...</a>. There&#x27;s a process for how decisions about source legitimacy and reliability are made, and these &quot;decisions aren’t made lightly and are frequently revisited: there have been over fifty discussions about the Daily Mail’s reliability, for example, with both sides being vehemently argued&quot;.
decimalenough3 months ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2025.02.08-005538&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2025&#x2F;02&#x2F;elon-musk-wikipedia&#x2F;681577&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2025.02.08-005538&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic...</a>
mitchbob3 months ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;2025.02.08-005538&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2025&#x2F;02&#x2F;elon-musk-wikipedia&#x2F;681577&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;2025.02.08-005538&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic...</a>
esbranson3 months ago
In general, yes, Elon and friends are correct. There are numerous articles on the topic. As long as Elon and friends don&#x27;t offer solutions, they can remain so, otherwise mockery and some good laughs will likely be in order.
w0de03 months ago
The only functioning large-scale Odonian syndic, after all the promise of the early valley. It provides immense value to dispossessed peoples across our world. Of course the propertarians wish to discredit and destroy it!
bad_username3 months ago
Since about 2014 I have zero trust in English Wikipedia on anything remotely connected to politics, history or philosophy, and partially culture. It has been working very hard to appear neutral but be very far from neutral.
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tim3333 months ago
Given Musk&#x27;s self professed commitment to free speech he should be ok with outlets having a different slant to his own.
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like_any_other3 months ago
Wikipedia is as legitimate as they get, but that doesn&#x27;t mean it&#x27;s perfect. Readers should be aware of its bias in which sources it allows (which has knock-on effects on which facts and stories cannot be included because no &quot;reliable&quot; sources report on them, while left-leaning sources are unmotivated to report them):<p><i>Wikipedia’s list of deprecated sources currently contains 16 right-leaning sources: Breitbart, the Daily Caller, the Daily Mail, the Daily Star, the Epoch Times, FrontPage Magazine, the Gateway Pundit, Infowars, LifeSiteNews, News of the World, One America News Network, the Sun, Taki’s Magazine, VDare, WorldNetDaily, and Zero Hedge – and just one left-leaning source, Occupy Democrats. Other politically biased sources have also been deprecated, but it is harder to position them on the left-right political axis, such as media companies controlled by the Russian or Chinese government.<p>...<p>but a similar standard has not been applied to lower quality, left-leaning sources such as CounterPunch, AlterNet, and the Daily Kos.<p>According to Ad Fontes Media‘s widely-used media bias chart (which is commonly cited in discussions on the reliable sources noticeboard), CounterPunch, AlterNet, and the Daily Kos are all less reliable than the Daily Mail. This is significant because the Daily Mail, a deprecated right-leaning source, is often used as a benchmark for judging whether other right-leaning sources should be deprecated. All three of these left-wing sources are widely used at Wikipedia.</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thecritic.co.uk&#x2F;the-left-wing-bias-of-wikipedia&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thecritic.co.uk&#x2F;the-left-wing-bias-of-wikipedia&#x2F;</a>
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blackeyeblitzar3 months ago
Wikipedia is so obviously biased that its founder even talked about it a few years back. The editor cabal, rules on sources, the incorporation of guidelines that use progressive stances, etc all create this skew.
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