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Stargate Project II? Declassified US Government Research in RV and Psi [pdf]

81 pointsby sans_souse3 months ago

17 comments

badlibrarian3 months ago
There&#x27;s that weird stretch of road north of DC where it feels like pulling off at one of those mysterious exits might yield an interesting life experience. The National Cryptologic Museum did not disappoint.<p>&quot;As outrageous as it sounds, the secret program was very successful and was in use until 1995...<p>A standout in the remote viewing field, Agent 001 of Project Star Gate Joe McMoneagle has been involved in over 200 intelligence missions utilizing his unique set of skills. His distinct collection of drawings (as a result of his remote viewing missions) were used to assist in combat and are a part of the current exhibit.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nsa.gov&#x2F;Press-Room&#x2F;News-Highlights&#x2F;Article&#x2F;Article&#x2F;3946210&#x2F;new-exhibits-at-the-national-cryptologic-museum-unlock-your-curiosity&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nsa.gov&#x2F;Press-Room&#x2F;News-Highlights&#x2F;Article&#x2F;Artic...</a>
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speak_plainly3 months ago
It’s revealing that the authors have fashioned Scientific Materialism into a straw man, misrepresenting both materialism and the philosophical foundations of science. Their portrayal suggests either a fundamental misunderstanding or a deception. They frame quantum mechanics as if it dismantles the very notion of material reality, when in fact it merely challenges classical intuitions about how that reality operates.<p>While quantum mechanics introduces concepts such as nonlocality and indeterminacy, it does not abolish causality or the objective structure of reality. On the contrary, it is grounded in a rigorous mathematical framework that remains predictive, testable, and deeply embedded within the scientific enterprise. The attempt to paint quantum physics as something wholly alien to material reality ignores the fact that it extends, rather than overturns, the physical sciences. And this is just an issue with their premises–it doesn’t even begin to address their misuse of quantum mechanics.<p>Beyond their misrepresentation of materialism, this argument falls into a familiar epistemic trap–one that has persisted since Descartes’ animal spirits: the problem of interaction. If one claims that quantum mechanics points to a realm beyond the material world, they must provide a coherent, testable account of how this realm interacts with observable phenomena. Without that, these claims remain speculative, and any experiments purportedly supporting them are meaningless.
at_a_remove3 months ago
It has been ages since I read it, but in Sagan&#x27;s <i>The Demon Haunted World</i> -- which if you haven&#x27;t read it is a paean to skepticism -- toward the end, he admitted that he found three areas of &quot;psi research&quot; to possibly require more examination. One was remote viewing.<p>As an aside, I miss Sagan. The above highlights some of his humility.
jcoq3 months ago
Sort of an entertaining read. The cornerstone of the argument starts on page 55 - three purported statistical anomalies that appear to be well-known and debunked.<p>* One person sees 1 of 4 images and another far away guesses the image. Supposedly it&#x27;s accurate ~33% of the time instead of 25%. Fun but it can&#x27;t be replicated by anyone else. Selection bias, poor design, and bad meta analysis explain the difference.<p>* ~54% of the, a person can detect if they&#x27;re being stared at, whereas we&#x27;d expect 50%. Again, cannot be replicated in better designed studies and bad study design and selection bias explain the other results.<p>* By a small but supposedly statistically improbably amount, people can get a dice to roll by &quot;wishing&quot; for it. Again, cannot be replicated and can be explained with p-hacking anyhow.
walrus013 months ago
For those who haven&#x27;t seen it yet<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats_(film)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats_(fi...</a>
fooker3 months ago
This is the kind of thing that makes sense to investigate just in case it could be true.<p>Remember: Newton spent a rather large portion of his life on alchemy and trying to explain where god fits into a deterministic world.
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comrade12343 months ago
I’ve taught myself how to lucid dream and also to “astral project” (so far I haven’t gotten any further than my bedroom) and even I know it’s all in my head.
torginus3 months ago
Suppose some people have geniune mind-reading or other supernatural powers. Just how useful would they be in practical terms compared to &#x27;traditional&#x27; surveillance techniques?<p>Even if some intelligence agency has the most cursory interest in you, the level of surveillance possible at scale is just staggering - they can track your location, track everything you do with an electronic device with very little investment for anyone but the most paranoid people with impeccable opsec.<p>If they do consider you a true threat and are willing to spend some part of their infinite budget on you, you have even less chance of doing something significant without them knowing.<p>Even if people with reliable supernatural powers exist, their scarcity and probable limitations mean that the best they can do is provide some novel and niche capability.
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tiahura3 months ago
East of the Rockies, you’re on with Maj. Ed Dames.
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logicchains3 months ago
Relevant (old) article: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;slatestarcodex.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;28&#x2F;the-control-group-is-out-of-control&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;slatestarcodex.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;28&#x2F;the-control-group-is-o...</a> .
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fsiefken3 months ago
For some context, from Dean Radin&#x27;s Conscious Universe book: &quot;...the best-known remote-viewing research in modern times began in the early 1970s, when various U.S. government agencies initiated a program at Stanford Research Institute (SRI), a scientific think tank affiliated with Stanford University. In the late 1970s, SRI became an independent corporation called SRI International, which is the name it goes by today. Physicist Harold Puthoff founded the SRI program. He was joined soon afterward by physicist Russell Targ, and a few years later, by another physicist, Edwin May. When Puthoff took another position in 1985, the program came under the leadership of May. In 1990, the entire program moved to a think tank called Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), a major defense contractor. That program finally wound down in 1994, after twenty-four years of support and about $20 million in funding from U.S. government agencies such as the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Army, the Navy, and NASA. Government agencies saw remote viewing as a possible new source of information. Even if it was only partially correct, it might provide valuable clues to help piece together the information jigsaw puzzles that constitute the typical intelligence operation. Moreover, remote viewing potentially provided a unique intelligence technique in that information could be secretly obtained at a distance and through any known form of shielding. The agencies continued to show interest in remote viewing for more than twenty years because the SRI and SAIC programs occasionally provided useful mission-oriented information at high levels of detail. Given that this information was obtained at virtually no expense, and with no risk of life compared to sending agents into the field, and it sometimes provided information otherwise blocked by shielding or hidden structures, it is clear why military and intelligence agencies were interested.&quot;<p>Here he recounts the Pat Price remote viewing &#x27;leak&#x27; from his time at SRI: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.instagram.com&#x2F;demystifysci&#x2F;reel&#x2F;DBgnKkKPW9H&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.instagram.com&#x2F;demystifysci&#x2F;reel&#x2F;DBgnKkKPW9H&#x2F;</a><p>I wasn&#x27;t aware there still was government interest. In the non-governmental domain, The Rhine Research Center hosts a monthly Remote Viewing Group. Long ago when I was listening to Alex Tsakoris&#x27;s Skeptiko podcast I remember hearing about amateur psi research groups. I am pretty sure that with all the technology, insights in methodology, statistics and cognitive biases we are better suited to see if there is such a thing as psi - even though years ago at a congress I heard that one of the ideas of parapsychologists was that the more you want to prove that psi exists the less hard results you are getting. How to account for that? Keep an open mind, not grasping? Coincidentally that&#x27;s the attitude tantric buddhists and other groups are cultivating.
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booleandilemma3 months ago
Anyone here ever have a psychic experience they would be comfortable talking about?
ergonaught3 months ago
&gt; Flying somewhat in the face of the 1995 closure of the Star Gate program, an increasing number of peer-reviewed scientific studies seem to be positively addressing the cognitive dissonance that psychic (psi) related phenomena have engendered within the larger scientific community. The challenges presented to Scientific Materialism by psi appear on the verge of mirroring, in form and function, the paradigm-changing pressures that quantum mechanics continues to bring to bear on the modern scientific edifice.<p>With actual respect for Dean Radin, footnoted for the above, this is pure delusion and exactly the kind of non-thinking that occurs in this and related &quot;fields&quot;. &quot;Psi&quot; has caused precisely zero cognitive dissonance within the larger scientific community. There are precisely zero challenges to &quot;Scientific Materialism&quot; actually presented by &quot;psi&quot; that are even remotely viewable as any way similar to the &quot;pressure&quot; quantum mechanics brought to the prevailing scientific paradigms.<p>It is in fact possible to explore these topics with reason and critical thinking faculties intact, but it doesn&#x27;t happen in practice. It&#x27;s a pity.
baobabKoodaa3 months ago
Can we have some context?
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IlikeKitties3 months ago
Please, beware of what&#x27;s happening. In the last few years we had congressional hearings about UAPs (formerly UFOs), NASA investigating the issue under AARO and finding “metallic orbs” are the most common type of UAPs and are reported from “all over the world.” And just recently the &quot;Drone&quot; incursions around New Jersey.<p>There has, for a long time now, been a new age borderline cult thinking around things like remote viewing and CE5 (Meditate to attract UAPs) that&#x27;s heavily influenced by a small group of Grifters. Even the UFOs Subreddit recently has become very wary of signs that this whole UAP Stuff is drifting into a cult direction.<p>Best Case: The Grifters are back on the Menu, worst case it&#x27;s a desinformation campaign to stop the traction that UFO Disclosure has gotten in recent years.
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FrustratedMonky3 months ago
Clicked thinking this was related to OpenAI&#x2F;Softbank.<p>If this is older, why is it called Stargate 2?<p>Should OpenAI&#x2F;Softbank&#x2F;Oracle then be &quot;Stargate 3&quot;?<p>Or if we want to be &#x27;smoking man&#x27; conspiracy, maybe they have merged AI to a brain to enhance ESP?
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j_timberlake3 months ago
Buddhists have been meditating since before Jesus was born; if any of this psi stuff actually worked, it would have been discovered long before the US government was panicking about communists.
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