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Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

578 pointsby debone3 months ago

88 comments

Beestie3 months ago
Its a beautiful system but where my head explodes (and has been exploding for 4 decades) is over the following scenario.<p>So in Johnny&#x27;s system, I assign 21 to automobiles. My VW van gets 21.1, my Citron is 21.2, etc. and the insurance for each car gets a .8 so 21.1.8, 21.2.8, etc.<p>And I assign 13 to Money. Insurance belongs under money so 13.5 is insurance and life insurance gets 13.5.1, E&amp;O insurance gets 13.5.2, etc.<p>I also need a top folder for Medical for doc visits, vaxes, ER visits, Surgeries, the kids&#x27; allergies and stuff.<p>So where all this is going is two months later, where is the health insurance policy? Is it under medical or under money? Is the car insurance under Automobiles or Insurance under Money?<p>Back to my head exploding - this is my issue - I can never remember which branch of the tree to find a specific leaf? Does my annual car tax belong with the Money or with the Auto branch? If I want to see the tax for all the cars at the same time, I put it under Money - Taxes - Auto but when I need to know the last time I paid the tax on the VW, I will assume its filed under Auto-VW-Car Tax.<p>This is why I can never find anything. All due respect to Johnny but I&#x27;m too retarded to use it properly.
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erganemic3 months ago
Off the top of my head, all PKMs make trade-offs on discoverability, portability, maintainability, and ease of recall. Broadly, &quot;discoverability&quot; is how likely you are to stumble on something you&#x27;d forgotten (just recently, I found a file in my &quot;taxes&quot; directory listing all the documents I needed last year, which was a big help, and which I did <i>not</i> remember writing), &quot;portability&quot; is how resistant the system is to a company shutting down&#x2F;project being abandoned, &quot;maintainability&quot; is how easy to keep your system consistent with its principles (including inserting a new note), and &quot;ease of recall&quot; is how easy it is to find something if you know you&#x27;re looking for it.<p>When thinking about a lifelong PKM, I feel like I value portability more than most; something highly tied to a particular company like Notion is right out for me, and I&#x27;m leery of stuff like Obsidian or even org-roam, since even if the entries in those systems are just text, I just know that someday the logic that ties them together will stop being developed&#x2F;maintained and I&#x27;ll have to migrate.<p>I feel confident in directory structures and text files as long-term mediums though, and so JD is appealing to me, but its maintainability (specifically the cognitive load around inserting a new note) is such a stumbling block for actually creating content for it. Not to mention the primary thing it trades maintainability off for (ease of recall) is almost entirely solved by search functionality, leaving discoverability as the only benefit over just chucking everything in a flat &quot;notes&quot; directory.<p>I do something PARA-adjacent now, and I might just commit to that, although denote is interesting as an Emacs user for a slightly more portable tagging- and search-based option.
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bluechair3 months ago
I really appreciate what Johnny Decimal is trying to solve - we&#x27;re all struggling with digital organization and the appeal of a clean, simple system is undeniable.<p>Having implemented similar approaches across several teams, I can say it works beautifully for personal projects or well-defined small team efforts. But here&#x27;s the challenge: most real-world information refuses to fit into single categories. A technical spec might be simultaneously system architecture, compliance documentation, etc. While the Johnny Decimal strength is its rigid simplicity, that&#x27;s also its weakness when facing actual organizational complexity.<p>Rather than fighting these natural interconnections, I&#x27;ve found more success embracing them - using approaches that allow documents to exist in multiple contexts while maintaining the Johnny Decimal core goal of findability&#x2F;searcability. The solution to chaos might not be enforcing a decimal hierarchy, but rather building systems that match how information actually flows in modern organizations.
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vander_elst3 months ago
Previous discussions:<p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36308366">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36308366</a><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37506640">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37506640</a><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25398027">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25398027</a>
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oneeyedpigeon3 months ago
I think <i>having</i> a system is more important than which system it is. I don&#x27;t see much benefit to limiting your hierarchy to 3 levels. Putting metadata like creation time in filenames is <i>probably</i> the wrong thing to do, since it&#x27;s redundant, although it&#x27;s mighty tempting-and I do it all the time.
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lardissone3 months ago
I tried many organization systems, including Johnny Decimal like PARA. And none of them worked for me. As an ADHD person, I&#x27;ve found the best way for me is not put effort in organizing at all. For that reason I&#x27;ve found tools like Logseq&#x2F;Tana&#x2F;Reflect does a great job. I just write in the journal and tag items accordingly if required, then if I need to write some long form document, I create specific pages for it. Then search and backlinks are everything I need. My brain works better searching than browsing.
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jppope3 months ago
I think this is definitely a cool system so not meaning to knock it, but I used to hyper-optimize all parts of my life and it was exhausting. So one day I just stopped. I started focusing on just being present, prioritizing, and trying to remember things that were important. I still take notes and have todo lists and stuff but they are similarly for being in the moment- just for the time right when I&#x27;m using them. I may have lost some things over the years but the removing the stress has made me better at all the things I was working on in general.
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emacsen3 months ago
I originally started with Johnny.Decimal for my life and after giving it a big try, switched to PARA.<p>J.D is fine (maybe even great) if your categories are relatively static, such as a small business, but as an individual, I found it very restrictive and challenging to remember. Moreover, while the decimals are cool, I found them somewhat irrelevant if I was the only one referencing them.<p>J.D is optimized for retrieval, where what I needed was optimized storage, and then occasional retrial.<p>To each their own of course, and using <i>any</i> system is better than none.
fleshmonad3 months ago
&gt;organise your file hierarchy in a common sense manner and add numbers<p>&gt;write way too long blog post in &quot;&quot;&quot;hacker aesthetic&quot;&quot;&quot;<p>&gt;It gets to the HN front page<p>Apart from that, the spaces in all filenames are questionable. I truly don&#x27;t understand how something like this gets 450 points on HN
MailleQuiMaille3 months ago
I think the key for me, a lifelong messy person, was to find out what I like or don&#x27;t.<p>Like : -Taking notes on the fly for capturing fleeting ideas. -When working on a project, embracing the mess by having as many documents&#x2F;spreadsheets as possible. -When a project is over, putting everything in a folder and letting it there.<p>Don&#x27;t like : -Using fancy tools like Notion, Obsidian and the likes. -Getting stuck on rigid systems, and even worse : tied to a subscription. -Being forced to use a specific device.<p>My solution ? Upnote. Proton Drive. A messy desktop.<p>Am I the most &quot;optimized&quot; I could be ? No. But I can quickly find out everything I need fast, and when I&#x27;m working on a project, I know what to do.<p>More than that seems overkill, for me at least.
binbag3 months ago
I must be missing something. This is recommending folders are numbered. Is that it? Is this a &quot;system&quot; now? I think that may have been used previously - for example by humanity for the last 5,000 years or so.
spmcl3 months ago
I use Johnny.Decimal in my Obsidian vault, but its purpose is less about being able to find things in the future and more like &quot;this is a simple well-trodden system so you may as well use it for some semblance of organization of your folder hierarchy.&quot; But I only label the folders. I don&#x27;t label files with numerical values – folders are just dumping grounds for a certain type of notes. Like I have a folder for journal entries, unique notes, blog posts, book notes, recipes, and individual side-projects. A few tags (most auto-generated in templates) help me search past notes if I need to, but that&#x27;s a very infrequent need.<p>My point is that switching just the folder hierarchy to Johnny.Decimal was very easy and I don&#x27;t have to think about how I organize my work ever. Contrast that with some of the other PKM organization schemes you&#x27;ll find (such as using Johnny.Decimal in its entirety), and you&#x27;ll see that they both take a ton of time to set up and a ton of effort to maintain. Those are massive wastes of time. There are far more meaningful things you could be doing outside of marginal gains to productivity, if you can even call PKM optimization a &quot;marginal gain.&quot;
kras1433 months ago
The more I tried to control and organize my life, the more stressed I became. Digitizing and organizing my knowledge base, in particular, wasted countless precious hours. Recently, I decided to let go of that rigid structure and instead focus on naturally prioritizing the most important tasks for the day, week, and month. So far, this approach has been working well, or at least it feels like it is.
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projektfu3 months ago
It took me about 2 hours to organize a disorganized syncthing folder for my business into this system as I understood it. Now to see if it helps. I am diagnosed with ADHD.<p>For what it is worth, some tools actively work against the use of folders on Windows now, including Office. Acrobat is another offender. (Not using Windows is not currently possible, too many assume Windows use in my industry). Even Google Drive hides the folders and makes you go through hoops to get to them each time. Reading the comments here, putting everything in one directory and relying on search seems to be the most popular filing system. In my space, I feel like everything gets lost as a result of that &quot;system&quot;, and work is constantly duplicated because people don&#x27;t know where to look.<p>This system, at least, doesn&#x27;t require much to keep organized. The ontology is shallow and it doesn&#x27;t require me to constantly worry about where something should go best.
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pendingU3 months ago
I&#x27;m always impressed by systems like this, but I&#x27;ve personally never understood the point.<p>I&#x27;d be curious to learn from others what the benefits of this kind of archiving are for them? And if the time cost is worth it.<p>For me, I feel like I treat most of my documents as very temporal things. I need them for a certain period of time, but then after that, they can be list to the ether. I have never really had a need to reference old content, plans, documents, etc.<p>The only old things I ever need to reference are old code projects and writings. But even that I can usually manage with just a single folder for the project.<p>Everytime I get a new computer, I just start fresh. Keeping only a very small amount of files backed up in cloud services. Which as I mentioned are just a very small collection of code projects and writings. Am I crazy? Haha.
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SvenL3 months ago
It’s pretty amazing that there are such systems. Everytime I try something like this I fail following it just a few weeks later. I just relay on search, I have one mailbox, one download folder and that’s it. If I look for something I have just 2 searchboxes, one in finder and one in outlook.
hcarvalhoalves3 months ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dewey_Decimal_Classification" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dewey_Decimal_Classification</a>
urda3 months ago
I&#x27;m still working a lot of my internal tribal knowledge out around this, but as I work that blog post out my general flow of organizing information in my life has been as follows:<p>- Starts with a physical Moleskine notebook and fountain pen. This is the most free flowing and easiest way to get information saved. It is literally pen to paper, it does not crash, it does not fail.<p>- From there ideas and notes are migrated, shaped, and restructured in digital ink and text on a Freeform board on my iPad, Mac, and Apple Vision.<p>- Finally, as those ideas become more real and solid, they are formed into well understood wiki pages and saved there. From that point all new and changing information is committed to the wiki.<p>Not all my information needs to flow into the wiki, but it is nice to have a knowledge &quot;funnel&quot; when keeping notes. When I think about information and notes, I always think about my favorite quote:<p>&gt; “For this you keep a lab notebook. Everything gets written down, formally, so that you know at all times where you are, where you’ve been, where you’re going and where you want to get. In scientific work and electronics technology this is necessary because otherwise the problems get so complex you get lost in them and confused and forget what you know and what you don’t know and have to give up.”<p>&gt; Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
bpev3 months ago
My filesystem organization has been based off of Johnny decimal for some years now. TBH, I don&#x27;t know how much I specifically recommend it, since it did take quite a long time (years) for me to really figure out my organization and become comfortable. But now, because my system is now pretty set in my brain, the big benefit is that I can pretty much navigate to mostly any directory instantly from anywhere without too much thought, using scripts I wrote. (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;johnny.bpev.me&#x2F;guide" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;johnny.bpev.me&#x2F;guide</a>, which is really mainly <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;bpevs&#x2F;johnny_decimal&#x2F;blob&#x2F;main&#x2F;source&#x2F;shell&#x2F;main.sh">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;bpevs&#x2F;johnny_decimal&#x2F;blob&#x2F;main&#x2F;source&#x2F;she...</a>). But it makes my filesystem feel much flatter and simpler to me.<p>For example...<p>- My latest large coding project spans from `22.00` - `22.20` (clients from `.01`, server from `.11`, libs from `.21`), and I can navigate to any of those directories from anywhere in my filesystem via `jd 22.10`. Or if I forget which one, `jd ls 22`.<p>- For things like photos and completed music production projects, I organize in more of a date system, but that entire system is housed in the jd structure, so if I want to look at some photos, I can easily open `31.02` and navigate internally to that.<p>Oh fwiw, I only use a few broad categories:<p>- `10-19 Notes`<p>- `20-29 Projects` (active projects, code and music mostly)<p>- `30-39 Archives` (closed projects)
sureIy3 months ago
I realized that I&#x27;m very good at remembering time and location more than anything. If I want to look at something, I know when I did it more than what it contained.<p>For this purpose the photos app is amazing: &quot;April 2020 cat video&quot; and it&#x27;s exactly what I was looking for.<p>I really wish file explorers were more consistent with their date management and didn&#x27;t change &quot;creation date&quot; just because the file was moved or whenever the app&#x2F;OS decides.
ab071c413 months ago
I was looking for an organization system and came across Johnny.Decimal. I actually applied that methodology to organize my bookmarks and that&#x27;s been pretty good. It does help that my browser shows all the folders and everything fits into something specific there.<p>For my files&#x2F;folders though, it was a little much. I borrowed the concept of 10 subfolders though, and that became my new folder organization structure without the leading numbers.<p>High level folders are very broad - Entertainment, Financial, Food, Life, etc. Under there, they get specific quickly. Food &gt; Cooking &gt; Stews is for stew recipes, Food &gt; Cocktails are for cocktail recipes, and so on.<p>Life &gt; Housing &gt; $address is for all the docs related to my current place. Life &gt; Work &gt; $company is for anything related to my current employer. Financial &gt; Taxes &gt; TY2024 is for 2024 tax docs, etc.<p>I found the numerical indexing to be overkill since each folder has, at most, 10 subfolders. Alphabetical sorting is much better for that - at least for me.
casey23 months ago
Something I&#x27;ve always disliked about &quot;Dewey&quot; and now &quot;Johnny&quot; decimal is that they intentionally put a human name on the system. I&#x27;m not sure who it helps, confusing a system for a human, but it certainly isn&#x27;t the user.<p>Also this doesn&#x27;t work faster than search, I would be open to evidence to the contrary, but obviously none will be provided cause it&#x27;s simply false. By the time search becomes slow no single human will need to access or read all those files anyways.<p>The only exception to this is when a few categories have many files, in which case you can just make directories for them.
marcusestes3 months ago
[IQ distribution chart meme]<p>* Just use Apple Notes<p>* No! You can&#x27;t just use Apple Notes. You need a full ontological graph structure based on an open standard!<p>* Just use Apple Notes
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ashu14613 months ago
I think with any documentation, specially something like life tracker tracker, it is a daily effort to maintain it, clean it, figure out which sections are outdated.<p>I make sure that with every new article which is added into my documentation, I go through some past pages and organise &#x2F; clean them up. This also helps in revision of some of the past insights which were collated.
whalesalad3 months ago
The aesthetic of this website immediately tells me that this person has no qualifications to tell me how to organize my life.
41d3 months ago
I think it&#x27;s an interesting observation, and I understand that there are pros and cons to this. I like organized designs, grid styles, neatly arranged bookshelves, things that fit together perfectly, and clean environments, and I was always thinking about how to keep folders neat and avoid a state where I get tired of looking at them every time. And it&#x27;s true that there are many people who don&#x27;t particularly mind that. Is it similar to the location of a remote control, which looks messy but is perfectly placed for that person?<p>Anyway, I really like it, and the introduction is very easy to understand. I also like the design of the WEB site.<p>And your WEB tool is very useful for making the hierarchy easy to see at a glance (because it&#x27;s very difficult to build it suddenly and edit it later).
mattlondon3 months ago
This seems overly complex? 15.2.234 for example is not remotely memorable or intuitive - no one knows what that is.<p>Why limit yourself to this low-signal approach? It seems deliberately obtuse for no obvious benefits?<p>What has worked for me is a folder per financial year, then just rough semantic groupings in each year folder called e.g. &quot;cars&quot; &quot;health&quot; &quot;house&quot; &quot;tax&quot; etc and just chuck files into those as needed. I usually change the filename to be something descriptive and information dense too like e.g. &quot;&lt;house number + street&gt; Home Insurance Aug 2024-2025.pdf&quot; etc. Store it all on some cloud service (OneDrive or Google Docs or whatever - local backup of your choice) and then you can just drill-down or even better <i>just search</i>. Simples.<p>So e.g.<p>2024-2025&#x2F;<p>--house&#x2F;<p>----123 ABC Street Home Insurance April 2024-2025.pdf<p>----123 ABC Street Mortgage statement Jan 2024.pdf<p>--cars&#x2F;<p>----Honda repair invoice June 2024.pdf<p>----Honda insurance Feb 2024-2025.pdf<p>----BMW insurance Mar 2024-2025<p>Not rocket science. Anyone reading this understands this &quot;system&quot;, and it is trivial to search. No rote memorisation of random numbers needed!
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mattfrommars3 months ago
Another system to organize my life? I JUST got started with BulletJournal :)<p>Tbh, a person with ADHD and in my mid 30s, the biggest problem I have faced and none of these system [haven&#x27;t tried Johnny.Decimal] yet is &#x27;given my current situation, be it career and life, what should I prioritize&#x27; and the second hard part if keep track&#x2F;progress.<p>I do miss school&#x2F;university days where we had a curriculum to follow with deadline and all. That brought structure and with fixed milestone. But in personal life, with unknowns everywhere, it is challenging. I have tried multiple strategies but they don&#x27;t seem to work or eventually are forgotten. From two minute rule to this, I can&#x27;t remember the exact details but something like invest x hours and if it doesn&#x27;t work out, move on.
thallukrish3 months ago
The problem with organizing is not the lack of tools or techniques. It is simply not possible to devise a system which works automatically with little effort. Everything requires varying levels of discipline which is hard to keep up with time and a different situation.
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ediwdlrow3 months ago
&quot;If you put those boxes in boxes, in boxes, you&#x27;d never know which box to open to find the next box. It would be chaos.&quot;<p>Not really...<p>If my outermost box says &quot;Tools&quot;, a box in that box says &quot;Automotive&quot;, and the box in that box says &quot;Trim Removal&quot;.<p>There&#x27;s no chaos, I drill down from the generic to the specific and find what I need.<p>Using Tags (keywords, etc) you can cross reference things too -- for example Tools that may have uses in both the Automotive, Household, Computer realms get those as keywords, and ideally the tool will have a primary role so it can exist in that box, or otherwise if it truly doesn&#x27;t belong in any one box then it can just be in the Tools box along w&#x2F; the boxes that contain all the task-specific stuff...
aucisson_masque3 months ago
this looks interesting but just as i experienced when i stared taking notes, you can&#x27;t just classify stuffs in folders, subfolders, sub sub folders and so on because there are case where one thing might fit 2 or more folders in very distinct categories.<p>the author speak about travel insurance in one of his graphic, would you put it in the folder travel -&gt; subfolder insurance but not in the folder Insurance ? it fits both case.<p>what happens in 2 years when you look for these contract, you arent going to remember if you put it in the travel folder or insurance folder.<p>multiply that by the many... many files that fits multiple case.<p>what a waste of time and energy.
NetOpWibby3 months ago
I&#x27;ve been attempting to integrate this into my life for a few years now, and failing. Doing this manually is never going to work, HOWEVER, automating it will. I periodically run this script[1] to organize my Downloads folder.<p>Pretty sure I can figure out a way to make macOS watch that folder and run the script but I want to live with this more before doing that.<p>Note that all this does is move stuff around...you still gotta go to the destination folders and continue organizing there but at least half the work is done for you.<p>---<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;NetOpWibby&#x2F;7e39068c1d0209e4412e3a05e800120c" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;NetOpWibby&#x2F;7e39068c1d0209e4412e3a05e...</a>
PeterStuer3 months ago
After having tried to be organised for decades, I gave in to my inner holistic self and gave up on (most) explicit organization and just became very good at searching&#x2F;finding things.<p>I could theorize about how no taxonomy deals with multiple contexts or remains valid over time, how filing errors will always happen so you will need search anyway, how unstructured scales to seamless incorporate outside sources etc., but thruth be told big piles of unorganised stuff with keen finding skills more naturally allign with my nature. Ymmv, and that&#x27;s just fine.
ySteeK3 months ago
I was on a search for the &#x27;perfect&#x27; system all my life.<p>And I found it after 40 years : The No-System System... and it&#x27;s the exactly opposite of op&#x27;s suggestion :-)<p>All together in somewhat chaotic folders and subfolders... the clou is that I use &quot;recoll&quot; everytime i search something. It&#x27;s an Index based search engine. Take a look...<p>I never missed something since I use just recoll and throw things just anywhere in the huge black box.<p>The main pro: it costs me no time to &quot;sort&quot; things into things.
krykp3 months ago
I think this gets the &#x27;imposed limits&#x27; part right.<p>What I&#x27;ve found is that I am unable to be organized or keep things organized if I have too much stuff. It doesn&#x27;t matter if I organize by &#x27;category&#x27; then &#x27;thing&#x27; or &#x27;thing&#x27; then &#x27;category&#x27; or if I keep myself to 2 levels of nesting or 3.<p>I have been decluttering every now and then, say, I will dedicate a weekend once every 6 months. I have started by getting rid of what is _obviously_ not necessary.<p>By necessity I&#x27;m not talking in a materialistic sense, I find joy in the tiny statues I own and a physical photo album, even if they are not _vital_ for my life.<p>I started by getting rid of things that are useful but just wasn&#x27;t up to par anymore. Like old clothes. I would wear old clothes inside the home and justify their existence, but I have come to value myself enough to wear my nicer clothes, which are honestly still just relatively cheap shirts, inside the home too.<p>After that, it was getting rid of things that are working, in good condition, but I had no use for anymore. For example I had built a computer, this meant ending up with a stock cooler, stock fans, stock thermal paste, my old PSU that was still very much working, all that. I wouldn&#x27;t throw these away as they had no issues, but wasn&#x27;t of use to me anymore. For these donating was easiest for me, as I would feel bad about getting rid of tons of in-working-situation hardware.<p>I must note, all this requires certain privileges in life. Just getting rid of things you don&#x27;t use but might, by some low chance, need, requires you to be wealthy enough to replace that without worrying about the price tag.<p>I have also come to find out gender also matters. My clothes fit in a single-side wardrobe, and no one pays enough attention to my clothes to realize I&#x27;m cycling through 10 t-shirts and 5 shirts. Or if they did, that&#x27;s plenty anyway. For women there&#x27;s a certain social expectation and imposed necessity and a deeper sense of fashion. For a man a dress-shirt functions well in the workplace just as it functions in a job interview and it functions just as well in a wedding. For a women what they can wear to a wedding and what they can wear to work are very different, so there is a natural difference of expectation and necessity. But I digress.
dack3 months ago
Man, I completely recoiled when reading this.<p>I spent a bunch of time in my 20s and early 30s trying out different organizational systems but I realized I just don&#x27;t care. I care about doing interesting things, not organizing them.<p>Also computers are pretty good at full-text searching for things, or tagging so you don&#x27;t have to come up with a perfect hierarchy. And I think LLMs will make it even easier to find stuff using fuzzy language.<p>Life&#x27;s too short to spend it organizing.
meander_water3 months ago
This is a neat system, but like many others here I doubt I could be disciplined enough to maintain it.<p>Organising a second brain appears to be something that people have been grappling with for ages. For e.g. here&#x27;s John Locke&#x27;s system for organising his commonplace book - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fs.blog&#x2F;john-locke-common-place-book&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fs.blog&#x2F;john-locke-common-place-book&#x2F;</a>
dubeye3 months ago
I set this up a few weeks ago and it&#x27;s working great so far. You start to develop muscle memory and now i organise everything to the same order, eg bookmarks<p>i think it&#x27;s partly that i remember location phsyically. i can remember bookmarks in real books, my remembering where certain words are on a page and flicking through until i find them. i wouldn&#x27;t stand a chanec ofremembering page number. somehow the JD system recreates thsi for me
react_nodejs3 months ago
So are you selling several file explorer folders for $15? ;D
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igbanam3 months ago
Curious, how relevant is something like this in today&#x27;s world?<p>I was fascinated by this when I first saw it years ago. But in today&#x27;s world, where fuzzy-finding, and A.I. working off embedded vector databases is a thing, how relevant is this system — if the content being organized is electronic stuff on a computer. I get that this may work as a physical organization system.
subpixel3 months ago
Holy smokes this does not resonate with me. Not the need for organization, but the implementation of some watered down Dewey decimal system.
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hasbot3 months ago
Maybe the root problem is keeping too much stuff? IRL, I have one bank box that has a folder for everything I truly need (e.g. dog papers, vehicle repair records, tax documents, deeds, and um... that&#x27;s about it really). In my digital life, I just don&#x27;t keep much stuff. Songs, audiobooks, ebooks, tax returns, and that&#x27;s about it.
seguri3 months ago
Works great for me. I&#x27;ve also written a plugin for Power Toys Run that allows me to quickly open a folder, e.g. 53.10. Blog post here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.seguri.dev&#x2F;posts&#x2F;powertoys-run-johnnydecimal&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.seguri.dev&#x2F;posts&#x2F;powertoys-run-johnnydecimal&#x2F;</a>
ss643 months ago
Using numerical prefixes like the &#x27;Johnny Decimal&#x27; system for folder organization is fine for personal files, if that floats your boat, but trying to implement it in a shared team area can be a recipe for strife. At best people will think you are slightly mad expecting them to memorise lists of numbers just to file things.
sotix3 months ago
It reminds me of accounting systems. Asset accounts are 1000. Liability accounts are 2000. Stockholders&#x27; Equity are 3000. Revenue are 4000. Expenses are 5000. Then the second digit differentiates which specific category of account it is. The final two digits are the sub accounts of that broader category.
markus_zhang3 months ago
I probably need real-life shelves and boxes for organization. But I think I failed strategically because I brought too many I do not enjoy about into my life. Juggling 6 pieces of shit is not fun however good I&#x27;m doing it.<p>I&#x27;ll buy those shelves and boxes and just grit my teeth for another 15 years, and then it should be a lot better.
0xdeadbeefbabe3 months ago
I&#x27;ve been using this for the past 18 months, and it works really well. I&#x27;ll write 19.01 on my calendar now instead of &quot;review finances&quot;. I don&#x27;t maintain the index on a regular basis yet, and so far I haven&#x27;t needed an index.<p>Yes, I used to think tags were so neat, but I was fooling myself.
CompoundEyes3 months ago
This reminds me of IBM Rational DOORS requirements documentation software’s approach <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?time_continue=263&amp;v=Reff4ELfwrM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?time_continue=263&amp;v=Reff4ELfwrM</a>
pkilgore3 months ago
It&#x27;s beautiful things like this exist for people and they are happy with them, but I cannot think of anything more stressful to me!<p>Flat system of tags + Search + Fuzzy Find + Scanner + OCR + Giant Pile has been the route to happiness for me.<p>My brain just isn&#x27;t wired for hierarchy at all.
nicebyte3 months ago
I bet 90% of the reason this is on the front page is the Berkeley mono font. the system itself sucks.
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agnishom3 months ago
I don&#x27;t get it. How do I figure out what the top level 10, 20, 30, etc should correspond to? And if I do figure out what they should correspond to, why can&#x27;t I just use a more informative title for my folder instead of a number?
tonymet3 months ago
the concept is very good, and i like the approach to distinguish personal , business etc. It&#x27;s not the system that matters, but the continued practice of inventorying and assessing your library.<p>One approach is to imagine your archives as a physical library and what regular maintenance you would need to keep the library in order for others to enjoy it.<p>These include indexing like the author talked about. but also curating &amp; summarization ( meta-summaries of the catalog). Also disaster preparation (backup) , replication (e.g. keeping repositories in sync between the archive and active work).<p>Every well built engineering system started as a neglected concept that got elevated into a formal area worthy of attention
satiric3 months ago
I tried this with my personal Google drive and am not really using the numbers. It&#x27;s just a little extra work to set up. I don&#x27;t see much of a benefit to it personally, but if you do then great. The important thing is to have a system you like
stevage3 months ago
This seems to solve a problem I don&#x27;t have, in a way that seems particularly irritating.<p>In their example of travel as a category, I just have a folder called adventures, and underneath it, one folder per year.<p>Is anyone really storing that many folders these days?
lokimedes3 months ago
I love the ADHD meets ASD of this one! As long as it requires self-control, and long-term memory, it is DOA for me.<p>Oh the curse of knowing what one requires, but always having it out of reach due to misfiring dopamine regulators&#x2F;receptors.
krunck3 months ago
Does it support symlinks? Because there is always stuff I want in two different places.
g8oz3 months ago
It doesn&#x27;t have to be all or nothing for the Johnny decimal system. Start with a life area like home ownership. Ask AI to generate a Johnny decimal system on this topic. I was impressed with the comprehensive structure I got.
nilslindemann3 months ago
Looks like a task oriented sorting - &quot;for what do I need this?&quot; - and the numbers are a workaround for a shortcoming in file managers, which does not allow giving a user defined sorting to a list of files&#x2F;folders.
galfarragem3 months ago
My take on &quot;systems to organise your life&quot;. It may help somebody: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;slowernews&#x2F;hamster-system">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;slowernews&#x2F;hamster-system</a>
awestley3 months ago
I see this pop up every few years. I wish I had the follow though to do this.
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groby_b3 months ago
For anybody going to implement it: Good luck, enjoy the journey and learning from it.<p>At the end of the road, there will be a sign. It will say &quot;hierarchical taxonomies never work&quot;. You will likely ignore it. (We all do). Ab initio.
kovek3 months ago
I like to have a category (folder, list, document, etc.) per entity that I am interacting with. That entity can be a government, a company, a person, an object, or other.<p>What do you think?
fortran773 months ago
I scan and ocr everything. It’s filed by year, with a subfolder for month. I narrow down the year range and search. I have files for decades arranged this way.
drcongo3 months ago
Previously: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?q=johnnydecimal.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?q=johnnydecimal.com</a>
er4hn3 months ago
Never before have I read up on OIDs, SNMP, and then thought: Ah, I can apply this to the real world.<p>If it works it works, but this is very funny to me.
edgarvaldes3 months ago
Is there any solution that works inside Google Docs? The lack of a native tree view in GD is a big stopper for me.
Centigonal3 months ago
I tried this for a year, but the juice wasn&#x27;t worth the squeeze for me. I went back to my previous homegrown folder tree.
SoftTalker3 months ago
I feel like if you are disciplined and organized enough to use a system like this, you probably don&#x27;t need it.
dmje3 months ago
Been using JD for ~5 years or so. It’s great. Sufficient structure to make sense of chaos, not too much to create more
keepamovin3 months ago
I love the website design: the IBM code page 437 block characters and text styles are fantastic.
linhns3 months ago
I tried this. Simply does not work for me. In the end more time will be spent looking for the box
raajg3 months ago
I think that local search, retrieval, and filing will become much easier with LLMs.<p>There are already tools and products in the market that allow you to rename and organize files. I believe this is the future.<p>We have developed various systems over decades, but I anticipate with LLMs it&#x27;ll be so easy to file and retrieve things that we won&#x27;t even have to think about it.
davikr3 months ago
This is so obtuse - why does &quot;15.22 Checklists&quot; start at ID 22 instead of 11?
MetaWhirledPeas3 months ago
As a system, this makes sense and I love it. As a personal practice it&#x27;s completely impractical for all but a narrow band of the population. And when those people need to collaborate with others, good luck getting everyone else to follow the system.<p>I recommend embracing the chaos instead. Enhance the tools for finding information, and make it easy to apply metadata.<p>At a certain point you can get no further without demanding more personal discipline, but that point is way beyond what is prescribed here.
Terretta3 months ago
Hey, anyone who can&#x27;t&#x2F;won&#x27;t&#x2F;doesn&#x27;t stick with a system... THIS IS FOR YOU.<p>Most organization methods predate search.<p>PARA, for example, can be a decent first cut (active Projects, Areas of responsibility, Reference(research&#x2F;reading&#x2F;recreation&#x2F;really anything), Archive, and you could use that with the below, but <i>don&#x27;t need to</i> thanks to search.*<p>The real reason we&#x27;re still trying systems instead of search is we don&#x27;t remember what to look for, and hope we&#x27;ll find it where we should have filed it. Turns out we don&#x27;t always file it there... Usually we don&#x27;t file it at all.<p>So: whether you use PARA at the top or not, within that...<p>DON&#x27;T ORGANIZE!<p>Don&#x27;t even try.<p>Instead, &quot;journal&quot; or &quot;log&quot; by simply saving all files to your desktop, then using a tool such as Hazel for Mac (or a python script, or whatever) &quot;log sort&quot; by renaming files once you haven&#x27;t modified them for a while (I like once untouched for 7 days) into folders and filename like &quot;.&#x2F;YYYY&#x2F;WW&#x2F;YYYY-MM-DD - Original Title.ext&quot;. Pay attention to WW, that means Week Number. Month folders get too many files in them, day folders are too sparse. Life and ideas tend to cluster by the week, so week folders are a natural fit, with only 50 of them in a year, so you can see them all in one window.<p>Why this works is you can find anything that goes with anything you worked on at the time by searching for <i>anything</i> you can remember from the time. Heck, you don&#x27;t even have to remember anything, just, roughly when. The things from then will be adjacent.<p>When you find anything at all from then, what you want will be in that week&#x27;s folder, or at most go back a couple weeks before or after, and you see what you created or modified around then. Boost your odds by stuffing some other keywords into (parens) in the end of the filename when you first save it, there&#x27;s no downside.<p>If you can&#x27;t even find by week, use YYYY-MM* and file type to see everything for a given month...<p>Auto log sort is low (zero) effort day over day, week over week, but when you start being able to resurface anything you want, even if you can&#x27;t remember it only things around the same time as it, you may be amazed you ever bothered any other way.<p>---<p>* Note: If you collab with others, try to organize everyone by responsibilty areas managed by known owners of those responsibilities, then let them organize in their area, and just deal with figuring out whose thing this is and let them file it if it&#x27;s not evident where it should go in their scheme. But still rename files by date last changed, since most file systems don&#x27;t keep dates intact when, say, emailing files, etc., and it&#x27;s still helpful to see what was being modified along with what. Because of the temporal order, the &quot;sorts&quot; tend to cluster things better than alphabetic sort.
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ConanRus3 months ago
What we really need is a personal AI assistant that handles labeling, tagging, and organizing documents by creating categories and connections. The fact that, in 2025, someone would propose doing all of this manually and consider it a good system is just ridiculous.
shoknawe3 months ago
Joplin might be a good vehicle for the implementation of Johnny.Decimal.
hbarka3 months ago
In 2025 someone discovered the ancient Dewey Decimal system.
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NetOpWibby3 months ago
I wish someone made an OS that just did this for me
noisy_boy3 months ago
&gt; an area is a shelf, a category is a box, and an ID is a manila folder.<p>I mean isn&#x27;t that almost the 101 of organization? I have N big clear plastic bags for each member of my family - each has smaller bags for educational certificates, birth certificates and other legal documents. All of these are in a shelf together. I can immediately produce any of those.<p>I have been thinking of another low-effort system for other lesser important documents that can be annoying to find. Put a box in each room and dump any lesser important papers in it, just dump it - whoever stays in that room dumps their such papers in it. Periodically clean as needed. Main rule is to not dump such papers _anywhere_ else.
mock-possum3 months ago
&gt; You assign a unique ID to everything in your life.<p>Ah - that’s fun, but no. Using codes to organize stuff like that is unnecessary complication. Just label them robustly, and search for what you want, when you want it.<p>&gt; In real life, if you stored your stuff in piles of badly-labelled boxes you&#x27;d never find anything again.<p>Okay but this isn’t real life, this is a computer. The robot’s entire job is to process data automatically in a way that would be tedious for you to accomplish manually.<p>Forcing a user to remember an indexing system that matches concepts describable in plain English to esoteric numeral codes is just - why, why are you doing this to yourself. It’s not better.
pavlov3 months ago
A cousin of Johnny Mnemonic?
asasidh3 months ago
search, don&#x27;t sort
tonijn3 months ago
A well setup Obsidian vault with some added plugins is another great way to organize your life
whatever13 months ago
I need none of these. I just need a search engine for my files that is not completely dumb.
hn_throwaway_993 months ago
Just a general observation as someone nearing 50. I&#x27;m honestly very curious to see if someone has had a different experience than me. I&#x27;m am, to put it mildly, not an &quot;organized person&quot;. I have tried a million different systems throughout my life - GTD, Inbox Zero, spreadsheets, etc. etc.<p>To be honest, I don&#x27;t believe that any of these &quot;organization systems&quot; really help people that have problems being organized in the first place. I think it&#x27;s just a fundamentally different way of how I&#x27;m wired. My general conclusion is that trying to &quot;fight&quot; my natural way of doing things is always going to be a losing battle, and that instead I just need to figure out ways to handle my general messiness and get it to work for me. I mean, I can certainly be organized for sizable stretches of time, but whenever I start getting pressed for time, or stressed, or lose my motivation for some other reason, it always reverts to the mean.<p>I&#x27;d honestly be really interested to hear if anyone has ever changed from being a &quot;unorganized person&quot; to an &quot;organized person&quot;, because it my few decades of life I&#x27;ve never seen it be successfully accomplished.
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edding45003 months ago
So basically a Zettelkasten?
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camkego3 months ago
If this is a system to organize files and folders, rather than physical real life files and folders, it should say so in the first sentence.