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How do you approach appealing to formal seniority in a technical discussion?

6 pointsby begoon3 months ago
How do you approach appealing to formal seniority in a technical discussion? (&quot;Listen, I am a senior&#x2F;staff&#x2F;honoured&#x2F;etc. engineer here&quot;), formal education (&quot;Listen, I&#x27;m PhD, actually&quot;), certifications (&quot;I passed an official certification on this&quot;), years of experience (&quot;Trust me, I have been doing it for X years&quot;), etc., without an actual point to bring to the argument?<p>Do you take any value of what I listed above as extra points to the actual objective details of the conversation? Do you ignore all that and focus on actual related facts brought by parties to the argument?

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taylodl3 months ago
Those are all logical fallacies.<p>I&#x27;ve been developing software for 40 years, yet there are still times when people who&#x27;ve only been developing software for 5 years or less have better ideas. One secret to surviving in this field for 40 years is leaving your ego at the door and being willing to learn from <i>anyone</i>, including those who are &quot;under&quot; you.<p>Having said that, from a practical standpoint, there needs to be a person empowered to make the final decision. That person is usually a lead developer, manager, and so forth. If <i>you</i> are that person, then your job is to facilitate the technical discussion and get as many ideas as you can. Remember that every single idea comes with a set of pros and cons - there&#x27;s no perfect solution. You&#x27;ll do your team a great favor if you do the analysis and decision-making out in the open.
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toast03 months ago
Is it a technical discussion or a work discussion? In a technical discussion you can certainly say something like &quot;my experience has shown X and Y (without documentation), but if you can show evidence for !X or !Y, I&#x27;d take a look&quot;. Of course, if both sides are asserting facts without documentation, it&#x27;s more of a pissing match than a technical discussion; but maybe you&#x27;d like to come to agreement on what kind of documentation would be acceptable.<p>In a work discussion, you can say &quot;well, X or Y may be true, but my experience says !X and !Y, and this is my project, so let&#x27;s assume !X and !Y, and y&#x27;all can blame me later when it becomes apparent I was wrong.&quot; and if the other party <i>really</i> doesn&#x27;t want to go along with it, come up with a limited allotment of time for them to investigate after which either you&#x27;ll be convinced to change your assumptions or to allocate more time, or they&#x27;ll go ahead with your assumptions even if they don&#x27;t like it.
romanhn3 months ago
I would lose a healthy dose of respect for you if you trotted one of these out in a conversation with me in an attempt to convince me of something. As another comment mentions, argument from authority is literally a logical fallacy (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Argument_from_authority" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Argument_from_authority</a>). Make an argument based on knowledge and facts, and be ready to accept opposing viewpoints, rather than browbeating the other party into submission. There are times when a decision is already made and disagree-and-commit is desirable, but there are more tactful approaches than just throwing your seniority around.
dgunay3 months ago
Don&#x27;t just reach for lines like these if you don&#x27;t have an evidence-based reason to back it up. The moment you do that, your coworkers will realize that you are just trying to shut them down and don&#x27;t care about having an intellectually honest discussion. And besides, what good are experience and credentials if they don&#x27;t give you the knowledge to substantiate your ideas?<p>If there&#x27;s any other good reason for that (typical corporate externalities like &quot;hey, I&#x27;m really sorry but management says we have to &lt;do really stupid thing&gt;, this is not up for debate&quot;), that&#x27;s one thing, but if it reflects entirely on you then that&#x27;s a really bad look IMO.
aristofun3 months ago
Sometimes you should listen to it if it’s in a good faith.<p>Because experience does matter.<p>Often really experienced people have hi quality intuitions they can’t explain and break down to pieces clear to everyone in the room.
scarface_743 months ago
I don’t. I care about ideas well articulated not your title.