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Can President Trump ignore Congress' spending laws? The debate over impoundment

17 pointsby dan353hehe3 months ago

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JumpCrisscross3 months ago
This question recapitulates the debate around line-item vetoes in respect of spending bills [1][2]. Based on SCOTUS precedent, which admittedly doesn&#x27;t mean much nowadays, it is unconstitutional [3].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Line-item_veto_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Line-item_veto_in_the_United_S...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Line-item_veto" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Line-item_veto</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tile.loc.gov&#x2F;storage-services&#x2F;service&#x2F;ll&#x2F;usrep&#x2F;usrep524&#x2F;usrep524417&#x2F;usrep524417.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tile.loc.gov&#x2F;storage-services&#x2F;service&#x2F;ll&#x2F;usrep&#x2F;usrep...</a>
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bediger40003 months ago
This seems like an easy &quot;no&quot; - why would we go through the effort of the House doing a spending bill, as constitutionally required. Seems implicit, and also traditional. Since the US has never done otherwise, that s the way it was when the US was great the first time around.
duxup3 months ago
Let&#x27;s say he can&#x27;t ignore congress.<p>But let&#x27;s say congress don&#x27;t care to act ... does it matter &#x2F; do laws mean anything then?<p>SCOTUS has decided the POTUS is off limits anyway ... does it even matter if congress or even the courts do anything?<p>I suspect SCOTUS likely thinks they were being a little nuanced letting Trump off the hook legally, but I think they just started the landslide that now they can&#x27;t stop. The SCOTUS majority has created an inevitable situation where absolute power reaches its obvious ending ...
Terr_3 months ago
Ideally &quot;no&quot;, because otherwise the Presidency has a retroactive on-demand reversible line-item veto.<p>It&#x27;s funny, in 2015 I pondered if a Trump presidency would be so terrible that, as a silver lining, the Legislative branch would be motivated to claw-back some of the power it has delegated to the Executive over the years.<p>As everyone knows, that&#x27;s not how it turned out.