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Who to blame for failed IPOs?

22 pointsby akosalmost 13 years ago

10 comments

ChuckMcMalmost 13 years ago
Oh this is priceless, "I wanna bubble! I wanna bubble! Waaaaaah!"<p>TL;DR version : Companies go public later, non-qualified investors don't get a chance to invest during their growth phase, so 'regular' folks are missing out on that wealth creation.<p>All of that is true, and 'regular folks' are also missing out on the wealth destruction. The author uses FaceBook as their stalking horse, they point out that people who invested when Facebook was only valued at 550M have done really well, and people who bought at the IPO price or since, haven't. But here is the rub. Is Facebook a good investment or not?<p>If you have any sort of maturity as an investor at all you realize that more money is made by the real growth post IPO than is made leading up to the IPO. That is because it occurs over a longer time and starts from a bigger base. If you had invested in LinkedIn at their IPO (they have a credible business model, and traction) even after the 'pop' you would have paid between $90 and $95 a share. That same stock today is worth $108. That is a 13% gain in a bit over a year. Pretty good in an otherwise stumpy economy. If you bought Stratsys (NASDAQ:SSYS) last year like I did because I thought "gee, I think 3D printing is going to be a huge growth industry." You could be up 200% (I bought it around $25 and its up over $60 now.)<p>The bottom line is that nothing 'bad' has happened to 'investing' but we appear to have successfully avoided re-creating the dot-com bubble craziness of the last century.<p>But the author, perhaps reading glamorous stories of people who talked about how many 'Porsche units' of money they earned on their over valued stocks that day, has come to realize its not going to be like that. Ideally not ever, but at least until the old farts die who remember how crazy it was. Going middle-class =&#62; multi-millionaire =&#62; middle-class does something to a person. Maybe it turns their cynicism dial up to 11, I can't say for sure. But there is no sense complaining about not having a bubble happen.
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csensealmost 13 years ago
Who is to blame for failed IPO's?<p>Sarbanes and Oxley.<p>Startups don't want to deal with all the red tape of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act [1] and are putting off going public until either they're big enough that the cost of compliance is small compared to the total size of their business, or they're legally required to do so because the number of shareholders exceeds some threshold. (Facebook falls in the latter category.)<p>If your company's large already, it kills growth prospects. It's a lot easier to turn a $40 million company into a $400 million company than it is to turn a $40 billion company like Facebook into a $400 billion company.<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbox" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbox</a>
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shalmanesealmost 13 years ago
And yet, for all of these supposed wonderful benefits that rich people gain, average venture returns have remained stubbornly mediocre for the last decade. For every Facebook, there is a Color and the investors in Facebook were good but they were also lucky (cf. MySpace).<p>It's not clear that companies should be IPOing any earlier, even despite SOX. Companies seem to have an easy enough time raising on the private market and they're raising at roughly appropriate valuations, as evidenced by low VC returns. Why would a company want retail investors if they can get the same amount of cash from a couple of investment firms?
gaiusalmost 13 years ago
Techcrunch. Next question.
jameszolalmost 13 years ago
"We shall repeat here without apology--for the warning cannot be given too often--that the investor cannot hope for better than average results by buying new offerings, or 'hot' issues of any sort, meaning thereby those recommended for a quick profit. The contrary is almost certain to be true in the long run. The defensive investor must confine himself to the shares of important companies with a long record of profitable operations and in strong financial condition. (Any security analyst worth his salt could make up such a list.) Aggressive investors may buy other types of common stocks, but they should be on a definitely attractive basis as established by intelligent analysis." - p28 The Intelligent Investor (Revised Edition 2003)<p>The IPO market partly thrives on the fact that there are highly speculative and/or uneducated investors out there willing to invest in any new offering. Investors must expect IPOs will fail without blame, in my opinion, and diversify accordingly. Unfortunately, the uneducated speculators are the ones that likely lose it all on something "guaranteed" to be hot.
malandrewalmost 13 years ago
I'm sorry but I fail to see why public markets investors should have the right to earn interest from economic growth for which they have absolutely no responsibility.<p>The gravy growth train eventually stops somewhere and it seems perfectly fair that the farther you are from personally contributing to that growth that the less rewards you are entitled to.<p>Most investors in Facebook from $0 market cap to about $10 billion, we professional investors that most likely contributed something to the company. Earlier investors probably had a lot more to contribute than late investors. There is practically nothing that Joe Consumer would be contributing besides cold hard cash that would help Facebook grow.<p>Here's the World's tiniest violin playing for people who play it safe instead of taking on actual risk and personally contributing labor, smarts and connections to growth on a capital investment.
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Apocryphonalmost 13 years ago
Please excuse my ignorance, but- I thought the decline of public market IPOs for up and coming tech companies is because everyone is cautious to avoid repeating the mistakes of the dot-com bust?
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notatoadalmost 13 years ago
Since when is the Facebook IPO a failure? Facebook sold a bunch of overvalued stock to pop-culture investors, made a bunch of money off it, and now everything is equalizing out to where it belongs. This is exactly what is supposed to happen.
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batgaijinalmost 13 years ago
Who set the initial pricing for Groupon and Facebook?<p>Goldman Sachs.<p>Thanks Techcrunch, you're really adding to the discussion with that swell research.
antidailyalmost 13 years ago
DHH