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Amazon to kill off local Alexa processing, all voice requests shipped to cloud

457 pointsby johnshades2 months ago

26 comments

colkassad2 months ago
Years ago after getting one I was messing around in settings on Amazon's Alexa website and noticed a log of commands/messages sent to Alexa. I reviewed them and was horrified to see "why does daddy always beat me". Best to let your daughter win at Uno in this age of always-on connectivity. Or just unplug it, which is what I did.
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replete2 months ago
I&#x27;ve noticed since getting a new mac, that on-device dictation is no longer possible, a modal pops up forcing you to hit agree in order to get dictation. Never clicking that.<p>The direction of major operating systems neutering themselves in favour of deep service integration does not fill one with hope
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xyzzy_plugh2 months ago
There seems to be some tremendous confusion here. The vast majority of Alexa-family devices perform no local processing except for the activation word (&quot;Alexa&quot;). I didn&#x27;t even realize that some of the more recent devices supported an opt-in for local processing.<p>This kind of makes sense, at least to me: local processing will always be limited. The entire premise of the original Echo devices was that all the magic happened in the cloud. It seems like not much has really changed?
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walterbell2 months ago
500 million Alexa-enabled devices were sold, hopefully some can be repurposed and kept out of landfills.<p>Updating Echo Dot V1 to newer kernel: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;andrerh.gitlab.io&#x2F;echoroot&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;andrerh.gitlab.io&#x2F;echoroot&#x2F;</a><p>Echo Dot V2 Android tinkering, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;echohacking&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Echo-Dot-v2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;echohacking&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Echo-Dot-v2</a> &amp; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;andygoetz.org&#x2F;tags&#x2F;dot&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;andygoetz.org&#x2F;tags&#x2F;dot&#x2F;</a> &amp; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=H0IEMVDebzE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=H0IEMVDebzE</a>
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neilv2 months ago
Related: <i>The Alexa feature &quot;do not send voice recordings&quot; you enabled no longer available (discuss.systems) | 929 points by luu 1 day ago | 664 comments |</i> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43385268">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43385268</a>
cpersona2 months ago
Pure anecdote, but it reminds me of that time, I mentioned on a call that a particular piece of code was a time bomb waiting to explode, only to have Alexa wake up and listen as I was standing nearby and noticed the light. I immediately disconnected it and never looked back.
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firtoz2 months ago
There&#x27;s a way to download all of your Alexa requests. I recommend it to everyone. It was interesting and horrifying to get literally all of them, from day 1. I noticed how tired I sound in the mornings or evenings. I started understanding patterns of my thoughts and needs. The Alexa went to the bin quickly after that session of exploration and insight.
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tommoor2 months ago
Related – is anyone working on an open home assistant? Google, Apple, Amazon are all taking so long to bring latest advancements across to their products
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happyopossum2 months ago
Recent conversation about this:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43385268">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43385268</a>
lukasb2 months ago
I don&#x27;t understand why Alexa&#x2F;Siri etc don&#x27;t just keep their hardcoded rules for things like &quot;set an alarm&quot; and only ship things to a cloud LLM if they don&#x27;t match a rule.
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dexter_it2 months ago
I&#x27;d be interested to see the percentage of users who have the &quot;Do Not Send Voice Recordings&quot; feature enabled. My guess is .001% or less
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6stringmerc2 months ago
Okay with this level of integration in daily, private life (able to record background noise not related to the request…potentially or actually), consider this:<p>Is Alexa hearing a gunshot a request for assistance? It’s not a voice command, okay, but where does “oh that’s not our business” really end in vast data collection platforms such as this? Does Alexa have any duty to report voice requests about self-harm?
seanmcdirmid2 months ago
You would think we could actually do all voice processing locally now? The models that do voice, speech, and language processing aren&#x27;t that big...an 8b model would be completely feasible for an affordable device, if not home server.
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locusofself2 months ago
I would be excited if Apple would add great GPT answering capabilities on my first-gen homepods, even if it meant having to send all queries to the cloud. I can unplug them if I need privacy.
accrual2 months ago
I only have one Alexa and it won&#x27;t bother me to remove it or replace it with another HomePod. I only use it to check the weather and occasionally to listen to random facts while I get ready in the morning. The fact that it has a digital clock is a nice bonus that HomePods don&#x27;t yet have, though.
robotnikman2 months ago
Yep, gonna unplug my Alexa tonight now. Maybe I&#x27;ll try setting up openHAB for controlling my smart lights.
ffhhj2 months ago
We should make AI generated conversations to overload their surveillance.
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kylehotchkiss2 months ago
Huh. How subpoena-able. Great timing! Throw these things in the trash.
ChrisArchitect2 months ago
[dupe]<p>Lots of discussions: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43365424">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43365424</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43367536">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43367536</a>
admiralrohan2 months ago
What if the internet is off?
whatever12 months ago
I mean, it seems that local hardware can be a limiting factor on the quality of the LLMs you can deploy. Why should they shoot their feet?<p>Even Apple did open their AI system to OpenAI (and potentially other vendors in the future).<p>As long as there is explicit consent to do so, it is fine. Nobody forces you to buy an Alexa product.
DidYaWipe2 months ago
Because now that local processing is ever-more powerful and local storage dirt-cheap, it&#x27;s time to move everything to &quot;the cloud.&quot;<p>So ignorant, especially with music. Whoops, no Internet access on the plane? No music for you.
noisy_boy2 months ago
Considering what a blatant spyware it is, it is unbelievable that people pay for it (not that I would keep one at my home even if it was free).
NotYourLawyer2 months ago
Throw your wiretap in the garbage where it belongs.
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edhelas2 months ago
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boznz2 months ago
This should be a godsend to any FOSS home assistants out there.
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