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We're Waiting for the End of the Sentence

34 pointsby thinkingemoteabout 2 months ago

6 comments

eszedabout 2 months ago
&quot;So, I&#x27;m in this hotel, right? And there&#x27;s this shop across the street, yeah? And it&#x27;s got this <i>suit</i>, man - and I&#x27;m, like, I really wanna try that on.&quot;<p>Order of information is mainly prescribed by <i>formal</i> rules of expression; language itself is amenable to its users&#x27; idiosyncratic preferences and priorities.<p>At least, English is.<p>Can anyone who knows Japanese comment on whether the reverse order is possible &#x2F; plausible there?
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hmryabout 2 months ago
Every time that image goes viral, it&#x27;s fun to see how many people in the comments are surprised by this. You&#x27;re the lucky 10,000!<p>&quot;Why is Japanese like this&quot; Not just Japanese! Subject-Object-Verb is the most common word order by number of languages and by number of language families. (Though going by number of speakers, I would guess Subject-Verb-Object might win... European, Chinese, Arabic are all SVO)
pjmlpabout 2 months ago
This also happens in German, as the key verbs usually come at the end of sentence.<p>So until the very last word many interpretations might be possible, depending on the sentence construction.
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karmakazeabout 2 months ago
&gt; The Japanese mostly think like Yoda. They first establish some concepts and facts, like when you&#x27;re pushing data to the stack of a scientific calculator, and finish it with the intended action.<p>Thanks, this actually explains a lot. Korean is like this too. I&#x27;m realizing that a lot of communication difficultly comes from my aging mother speaking more slowly with words coming out this way. I get impatient thinking &#x27;what are you talking about? get to the point&#x27; and frustrated if it takes very long or if I&#x27;m already busy or in a rush. It&#x27;s like watching a movie with no context and an extended set up--not great if you weren&#x27;t expecting the pace.<p>It definitely does extend beyond sentence structure. There will be preamble that sets the stage and covers considered adjacent points, then finally get to the ask&#x2F;point.
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PaulHouleabout 2 months ago
From a sequence modelling perspective it was common to train models for language translation (long before LLMs) on the assumption that, over a long text, the cursor in one document follows the cursor in another document. There seems to be a limited amount of variation between grammars of different languages [1] but one of those variations is that you can basically reverse the words in a sentence.<p>[1] see <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Universal_grammar" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Universal_grammar</a>
Smithaliciousabout 2 months ago
I&#x27;ll be honest, y&#x27;know the hotel, the shop across the street has a suit I wanna try on.