Recommendation for non-DOS/Unix open source OS outside x86/X64

44 pointsby anta40about 2 months ago

I know some interesting non-DOS/UNIX-based open source OS like HelenOS, MenuetOS, or Kolibri. They are X86/X64 only, though.Are there similar things say for ARM/RISC/etc ?

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dlcarrierabout 2 months ago

There's RISC OS: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC_OS" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC_OS</a>It was written for the Acorn computers that were the original use of the ARM architecture. It's still around and is pretty lean, despite being complete with a GUI and network capabilities.

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mepianabout 2 months ago

The MIT Lisp machine system: <a href="https://tumbleweed.nu/lm-3/" rel="nofollow">https://tumbleweed.nu/lm-3/</a>Mezzano, a much more recent OS written in Common Lisp that runs on Arm rather than special hardware: <a href="https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano</a>

andsoitisabout 2 months ago

Inferno - <a href="https://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/" rel="nofollow">https://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/</a>Description from Wikipedia: “Inferno is a distributed operating system started at Bell Labs and now developed and maintained by Vita Nuova Holdings as free software under the MIT License. Inferno was based on the experience gained with Plan 9 from Bell Labs, and the further research of Bell Labs into operating systems, languages, on-the-fly compilers, graphics, security, networking and portability.”

wormiusabout 2 months ago

Plan 9 - one version of which is 9front, which says this:"Multiple installation media are provided for PC, Raspberry Pi, MNT Reform, and QEMU. For PC, burn an .iso file to CD, or dd it directly to USB media. For Raspberry Pi or MNT Reform, dd an .img file directly to sdcard.The pi.img file can be used for Raspberry Pi 1, 2, and 3. The pi3.img file can be used for Raspberry Pi 3 and 4.QEMU images are provided in QCOW2 format."<a href="https://9front.org/releases/" rel="nofollow">https://9front.org/releases/</a>

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snvzzabout 2 months ago

There's Niklaus Wirth's Oberon[0].0. <a href="https://www.projectoberon.net/" rel="nofollow">https://www.projectoberon.net/</a>

pajkoabout 2 months ago

RISC-V, ARM in development: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_(operating_system)" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_(operating_system)</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AROS_Research_Operating_System" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AROS_Research_Operating_System</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(operating_system)" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(operating_system)</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illumos" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illumos</a>

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jdouganabout 2 months ago

There have been a number of passes at embedded Smalltalks. Eg. <a href="https://hackaday.com/2020/07/12/making-smalltalk-on-a-raspberry-pi/" rel="nofollow">https://hackaday.com/2020/07/12/making-smalltalk-on-a-raspbe...</a>Back in the day, Tek oscilloscopes ran ST on the metal.

lbocabout 2 months ago

Are we to assume you want it to run on actual hardware? I imagine there are a number of OSes that qualify if emulation is acceptable. One I like:<a href="http://www.vm370.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vm370.org/</a>Full S/370 assembler source included.

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evanjrowleyabout 2 months ago

Technically you can run Redox-OS on a Raspberry Pi 3 B+ (ARM), but it still works best on x86_64: <a href="https://doc.redox-os.org/book/raspi.html" rel="nofollow">https://doc.redox-os.org/book/raspi.html</a>If you decide you miss DOS, then you can also use the DOS emulator available on Redox-OS. It's not Linux but there are some linux-inspired stuff there, including apps from the Cosmic desktop environment. Both announced here: <a href="https://www.redox-os.org/news/release-0.9.0/" rel="nofollow">https://www.redox-os.org/news/release-0.9.0/</a>

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raggiabout 2 months ago

<a href="https://fuchsia.dev/" rel="nofollow">https://fuchsia.dev/</a>

slicktuxabout 2 months ago

XINU (Xinu Is not UNIX) OS…good book on it too for Operating System design!<a href="https://xinu.cs.purdue.edu/" rel="nofollow">https://xinu.cs.purdue.edu/</a>

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toast0about 2 months ago

I've got a hobby OS that's currently x86 32-bit only. amd64 and arm64 are on my roadmap, but if all goes well, it's going to be the same experience on all three platforms, so arm64 won't be anymore exciting than x86 32-bit. Other than, you could run it on a raspberry pi or maybe an arm apple.I imagine most hobby OSes are looking at arm support vs adding something else, and arm support is going to be more fiddly and have less to show for it. I haven't found much time to work on mine lately, but other things are way more important like getting my virtio-net driver and the v86 virtio-net device to work together; having networking in <a href="https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=crazierl" rel="nofollow">https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=crazierl</a> would be really neat. Running on a pi would be neat too, but a browser demo is way more accessible.

mappuabout 2 months ago

ToaruOS has an ARMv8 port: <a href="https://github.com/klange/toaruos" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/klange/toaruos</a> and Serenity has an ARM and RISC-V ports: <a href="https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity</a> ; although I think you would call them Unix-like.Haiku has tier-2 ports to ARM, RISC-V, and SPARC: <a href="https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/port_status" rel="nofollow">https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/port_status</a>ReactOS has an ARM32 port but the ARM64 one is not usable yet.Skift apparently runs on ARM and RISC-V: <a href="https://skiftos.org/" rel="nofollow">https://skiftos.org/</a>

yann-gaelabout 2 months ago

You could try MorphOS or AROS, which turn your (old) Mac and others into Amigas

Amlalabout 2 months ago

I'm surprised that nobody has talked about HaikuOS, I used to daily drive for a while before returning to Linux or OS X, depending on what I do.

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LargoLasskhyfvabout 2 months ago

Sculpt yourself some <a href="https://genode.org/" rel="nofollow">https://genode.org/</a>

DrNosferatuabout 2 months ago

I see many OSes here that are missing some lengthy, but apparently not extremely complicated - and quite well defined - parts / components / modules.I wonder if letting loose a coding LLM on them with clear goals and a feedback loop, could bring them to (at least near) completion?

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johnklosabout 2 months ago

TOPS on old PDP hardware (or an emulator) is quite interesting. If nothing else, it gives an appreciation for the age of many of the ideas that ended up in later OSes like CP/M and MS-DOS.

cydodonabout 2 months ago

EUMEL maybe? <a href="https://6xq.net/eumel/" rel="nofollow">https://6xq.net/eumel/</a> (Z80, M68000 and later x86 as well)

vandyswaabout 2 months ago

RSX-280 for the Z280 CPU:<a href="https://github.com/hperaza/RSX280" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/hperaza/RSX280</a>Nothing like DOS. Nothing like UNIX.

pjmlpabout 2 months ago

Project Oberon,<a href="https://www.projectoberon.net" rel="nofollow">https://www.projectoberon.net</a>The evolution of Oberon based OSes,Ethos, <a href="https://www.research-collection.ethz.ch/handle/20.500.11850/140827" rel="nofollow">https://www.research-collection.ethz.ch/handle/20.500.11850/...</a>Active Oberon which is the Oberon variant I prefer,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A2_(operating_system)" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A2_(operating_system)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Oberon" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Oberon</a> <a href="https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon" rel="nofollow">https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon</a>Some screenshots at my article, take it while the site still exists,<a href="https://www.progtools.org/article.php?name=oberon&section=compilers&type=tutorial" rel="nofollow">https://www.progtools.org/article.php?name=oberon&section=co...</a>SPIN, done in Modula-3<a href="https://www-spin.cs.washington.edu/external/overview.html" rel="nofollow">https://www-spin.cs.washington.edu/external/overview.html</a>Singularity,<a href="https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/singularity/?from=https://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/singularity" rel="nofollow">https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/singularity...</a><a href="https://github.com/lastweek/source-singularity" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/lastweek/source-singularity</a>Midori,although no source code, the blog posts, existing talks and internal session at Microsof do provide some nice overview,<a href="https://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/" rel="nofollow">https://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/</a>"The Midori Operating System Overview"<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37WgsoZpf3k" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37WgsoZpf3k</a>"Safe Systems Programming in C# and .NET"<a href="https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programming/" rel="nofollow">https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programmi...</a>"Safe Systems Software and the Future of Computing"<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuD7SCqHB7k" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuD7SCqHB7k</a>Xerox PARC Mesa, used on the Xerox Star OS<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_(programming_language)" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_(programming_language)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Star" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Star</a><a href="https://computerhistory.org/blog/xerox-alto-source-code/" rel="nofollow">https://computerhistory.org/blog/xerox-alto-source-code/</a>Xerox PARC Cedar, used on Dorado platforms<a href="http://toastytech.com/guis/cedar.html" rel="nofollow">http://toastytech.com/guis/cedar.html</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_dt7NG38V4" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_dt7NG38V4</a><a href="https://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/xerox/parc/cedar/The_Cedar_Manual_Version_4.2_Jun83.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/xerox/parc/cedar/The...</a><a href="https://worrydream.com/refs/Swineheart_1986_-_A_Structural_View_of_the_Cedar_Programming_Environment.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://worrydream.com/refs/Swineheart_1986_-_A_Structural_V...</a><a href="http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/xerox/parc/techReports/CSL-83-11_The_Cedar_Programming_Environment_A_Midterm_Report_and_Examination.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/xerox/parc/techReports/CSL-83-1...</a>Xerox PARC Smalltalk,original documentation can be taken from <a href="http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html" rel="nofollow">http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html</a>- Smalltalk-80, Bits of History, Words of Advice- Smalltalk-80: The Language and its Implementation- Smalltalk-80, The Interactive Programming EnvironmentSqueak and Pharos linage,<a href="https://squeak.org/" rel="nofollow">https://squeak.org/</a><a href="https://pharo.org/" rel="nofollow">https://pharo.org/</a>Xerox PARC Interlisp-D, with Medley<a href="https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/1056743.1056745" rel="nofollow">https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/1056743.1056745</a><a href="https://interlisp.org/" rel="nofollow">https://interlisp.org/</a>House, written in Haskell<a href="https://programatica.cs.pdx.edu/House/" rel="nofollow">https://programatica.cs.pdx.edu/House/</a>MirageOS, written in OCaml, partially used by Docker (TCP/IP stack), and Xen Hypervisor<a href="https://mirage.io/" rel="nofollow">https://mirage.io/</a><a href="https://mirage.io/blog/2022-04-06.vpnkit" rel="nofollow">https://mirage.io/blog/2022-04-06.vpnkit</a><a href="https://xenproject.org/projects/mirage-os/" rel="nofollow">https://xenproject.org/projects/mirage-os/</a>AmigaOS,<a href="http://toastytech.com/guis/indexamiga.html" rel="nofollow">http://toastytech.com/guis/indexamiga.html</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga</a><a href="https://www.amigaos.net/content/1/features" rel="nofollow">https://www.amigaos.net/content/1/features</a><a href="https://aros.sourceforge.io/" rel="nofollow">https://aros.sourceforge.io/</a>Solo in Concurrent Pascal,The solo operating system: A concurrent pascal program<a href="https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:vb843ff4581/vb843ff4581.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:vb843ff4581/vb843ff45...</a>Lillith in Modula-2<a href="https://bitsavers.org/pdf/eth/lilith/ETH7646_Lilith_A_Workstation_Computer_For_Modula-2_1984.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://bitsavers.org/pdf/eth/lilith/ETH7646_Lilith_A_Workst...</a><a href="https://www.modula2.org/modula2-history.php" rel="nofollow">https://www.modula2.org/modula2-history.php</a>Now go out and explore, UNIX is not the be all, end all of how an OS is supposed to be, neither is C the ultimate systems programming language.

bohdanqqabout 2 months ago

HelenOS is multi-platform. Their certificate expired but from their site:> HelenOS runs on eight different processor architecturesPretty sure ARM is one of those.

mycallabout 2 months ago

Genode is interesting

gjvcabout 2 months ago

see also <a href="https://wiki.osdev.org/Expanded_Main_Page" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.osdev.org/Expanded_Main_Page</a>

486sx33about 2 months ago

There is an arm version of pretty much every major Linux distribution now. I’ve used mint, debian, and kali all on arm.Also, see below<a href="https://distroware.gitlab.io/lists/RunsOnARM/" rel="nofollow">https://distroware.gitlab.io/lists/RunsOnARM/</a>

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