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Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

93 pointsby docmechanicabout 2 months ago

18 comments

ameliusabout 2 months ago
Yes but they make a lot of fuzzy decisions, so they are better compared with e.g. alchemists or deep learning researchers.
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upghostabout 2 months ago
I thought this would be more relatable, like, "chimpanzee engineers found pretending to managers about estimates, chimpanzee managers found pretending to listen".
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mmoossabout 2 months ago
Two overlooked aspect of the research:<p>First, an object of the research is pre-human ancestors&#x27; tool use:<p>&gt; Physical evidence of early hominin perishable tools is scarce. However, it is reasonable to assume the mechanical constraints surrounding tool use and manufacture have remained somewhat constant. Using a functional framework to understand the technical capabilities of extant hominoid tool users presents a novel approach to predict the perishable tool-using capabilities of our earliest relatives.<p>Note that the Paleolithic, the first period of stone tools, started ~2.58 - 3.3 mya (million years ago); stone can be durable since X mya and we have lots of evidence of that. But our evolutionary line split from the chimps&#x27; line ~7 mya (though remember the 7 mya shared ancestor was not a chimpanzee; they evolved too). Before the Paleolithic, and even after it began, our ancestors at times likely used tools made from perishable materials - I cooked dinner with a wooden spoon, myself.<p>Also, there&#x27;s the question of <i>culture</i> - something once thought unique to humans:<p>&gt; Our findings provide insights into the technical skills associated with perishable artefact-making and raise questions about how this knowledge is learnt and culturally transmitted.<p>There are two ways to pass down traits: genetics, and <i>culture</i>. If you think culture is somehow weaker or secondary, look at the traditions or look at languages that have lasted thousands of years with no genetic basis. An advantage of the cultural method is flexibility - it can be changed today; biological evolution takes awhile.
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Avicebronabout 2 months ago
Damn we gotta ante up, if they&#x27;re taking away my title of engineer and giving it to chimps, guess I&#x27;ll just find a job where they can issue me &quot;Doctor&quot; job title. &quot;Doctor and Principal Cybersecurity Engineer&quot; sounds good.
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oh_my_goodnessabout 2 months ago
This is prior art. Everybody knows that engineers and chimpanzees share a lot of behavior patterns.
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bell-cotabout 2 months ago
Up next, a story about how ants act as &#x27;engineers&#x27; - choosing soft-enough-to-dig ground, that is not waterlogged, to build their nests.<p>After that, maybe a story about plant &#x27;engineers&#x27;, growing toward the sun.
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3npabout 2 months ago
Actual study: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cell.com&#x2F;iscience&#x2F;fulltext&#x2F;S2589-0042(25)00419-5" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cell.com&#x2F;iscience&#x2F;fulltext&#x2F;S2589-0042(25)00419-5</a>
KineticLensmanabout 2 months ago
fruits: lower, tastier, juicier. Choose two
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gostsamoabout 2 months ago
Next trend in linkedin ads &quot;we are looking for a 10x chimpanzee&quot;.
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butterloverabout 2 months ago
I always say I&#x27;m only here because i&#x27;m &quot;smarter than a monkey and cheaper than a robot&quot; and boy has that value proposition changed recently.
westurnerabout 2 months ago
Tool use by non-humans &gt; Primates &gt; Chimpanzees and bonobos: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tool_use_by_non-humans#Chimpanzees_and_bonobos" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tool_use_by_non-humans#Chimpan...</a>
weard_beardabout 2 months ago
Let me know when a chimp publishes in science daily. Bonus points if it’s written in feces.
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gsf_emergency_2about 2 months ago
Chimp as Engineer=&gt; Human as Ueberingenieur<p>(English: Over-engineer)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;OWFq3ykkwP0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;OWFq3ykkwP0</a><p>(Also :Shermanic &lt;= Surmanic :()
mofunnymanabout 2 months ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;SNMLR" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;SNMLR</a>
ggambettaabout 2 months ago
The original code monkeys!
Frederationabout 2 months ago
Hmm like a lot of animals with large brains. Sounds familiar.
aleccoabout 2 months ago
Atrocious clickbait title. Chimps were found to prefer flexible stick sources to get ants. That&#x27;s it.
docmechanicabout 2 months ago
&#x27;Researchers have discovered that chimpanzees living in Gombe Stream National Park in Tanzania employ a degree of engineering when making their tools, deliberately choosing plants that provide materials that produce more flexible tools for termite fishing.&#x27;