I've been on a mac for 20 years, but recently I've been eyeing going Linux + Ryzen Mobile. Steam for gaming.<p>For those of you that have moved, what has been your experience?
I left several years ago and moved to Windows with WSL. It has worked well for me.<p>I have tried using Linux as a daily driver but can't. Years ago I used BeOS and then Linux as drivers but my needs expanded.<p>Issues with Linux... there's software that I need that doesn't have an equivalent that meets my needs on Linux so, I would need to limit my Linux usage to only the other things I need but...<p>Not all of the games I enjoy from steam work on Linux so at that point. It's Linux only for development.<p>I need zoom for working with other developers and it is less stable for me on Linux than Windows or Mac.<p>There's a few minor annoyances with Linux beyond that but...<p>Some personal software I refuse to move off means no Linux for that.<p>My favorite video game isn't available for Linux on Steam so, I didn't end up playing games on Linux.<p>I can do development on Linux except for the zoom problems.<p>I have Linux machines I can ssh into for doing kernel hacking, otherwise, WSL gives me everything I need for development and I get the rest from the few applications I use on windows.<p>I find Linux, windows, and macOS all flawed but for me Windows ones are the most acceptable.<p>I suggest you give Linux a go and see if it works out. Given you mention steam, start by verifying all the games you want are available on Linux.
I'd used until 2020, and moved away to Windows laptop.<p>The key reason of moving is that, Apple suddenly moved Korean/English change to another position. In Korea, the language changing key is positioned at the right of space. And in 2017, Apple suddenly erased the language changing key, and let user to guie "Caps Lock" button instead. And the original "Caps Lock" key, it is working only when pressing the "Caps Lock" key over 2 seconds.<p>I thought that Apple did a terror to Korean users. However, I just kept using the Macbook just by customizing the language change key to others by the 3rd p
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By the way, Apple did more terrible thing at 2020. They suddenly removed "\" (Korean dollar symbol called "won"), and moved it to use the "`" key. The previous "`" key has been disabled when typing Korean. So when writing markdown content, whenever I need codeblock, it makes me crazy.<p>Furthermore, Mac has critical bug on language changing delay problem. If I press the language change button and keep going typing, the language change is adjusted after the following keys. This is called language chaning delay. Korean users are requesting t fix the bug for 20 years, but never be resolved.<p><pre><code> - expected: 안녕하세요 여러분 (pressed 한영전환) Hello everyone
- actual; 안녕하세요 여러분 (pressed languge change key) ㅗ디ㅣㅐ ㄷㅍㄷ교one</code></pre>
I haven't moved away entirely, but I use a Windows PC for most of my personal projects now.<p>Reason being that many tools are only created to run on Windows, or maybe Linux if you're lucky. It's especially bad in the world of game development and modding, where pretty much everything is designed with a 'Windows first, everything else last' mentality.<p>In the olden days WINE made this possible to get round to a decent degree, but now I recall support for it has dropped off the face of the Earth on Mac OS, and options for running these tools without having a full-blown virtual machine going are very limited indeed.<p>As for my experience, it's been generally mixed. On the one hand, being sure that just about anything you need is natively available is a great feeling to have here, since there are numerous things I'd struggle to run on Mac that work perfectly on PC. At the same time, it feels like the front-end development world has got itself caught up in a Mac first phase when it comes to automation and development workflows, and now it's those aspects which are annoying to manage on this machine instead.<p>Most things didn't change much though. I tend not to use digital services created by the developer of the OS I'm using, so there wasn't really much of a change between say, iCloud and OneDrive or Safari vs Edge.
I've been on the Mac since 2001 for my personal machines, with Windows at work and I've had linux installations on and off since late '92. I have decided that I won't replace my aging M1 MBP. I got an used thinkpad and installed Fedora 41. It's really been a stellar distro. I've been in it full time for a couple months now. Since I'm now retired I don't need to have the latest and greatest. Linux is just fine for me and the remaining development work I do. I guess I've always known I'd end up on Linux.
My daily driver is a 2014 MacBook Pro. It's had a few repairs over the years, but in addition to Apple no longer supporting current macOS for it, I'm starting to feel the performance is impacting my work as well.<p>I'm still debating a replacement, but Linux on Ryzen is a leading option. I don't like Apple's recent work with macOS, and while the hardware seems to continue to be excellent, I'm not sure that's enough.<p>I've looked at Framework, Tuxedo, Lenovo ... nothing really looks great though, which is why I haven't made the jump. Yet.
I got my first MacBook from work about 8 years ago. Before that I used Linux on desktop and laptops for about 10-12 years. A die hard core Arch Linux btw type of user.<p>At first I hated Mac, but then I got used to it. Eventually I bought MacBook for myself. The M processor is amazing. Silent, can last a whole day and more on battery.<p>Once in a few months I consider switching back to Linux on thinkpad or framework laptops, but reading reviews such as loosing battery when hibernating, noise from the fans, thermal throttling, just makes me love Mac more.<p>I spend 60% of my time in neovim and 30% in Firefox, so the OS does not bother me much, it’s still *nix based with the addition of having all the popular apps. And I like the ecosystem.
I too have been on Mac for over 20 yrs, but day-jobs are sometimes on Windows. Currently I work in Ubuntu under Windows on a Lenovo X1 Carbon. I feel the same about moving away from Mac. Apple's hardware planned obsolescence/deprecation schedule would have been reasonable during the Moore's Law era, but it feels too fast now, so I'm looking at migrating to Linux on Framework laptops. I don't play games much anymore so don't really need Windows.<p>Linux is fine, it's similar enough to macOS (and Windows, for that matter). For my tastes, all the OSes require some tweaking and compromise. I don't understand the fascination with tiling window mgmt, and disable it everywhere (was surprised it got added to macOS Sequoia). I love having different wallpapers on virtual desktops. Etc etc, there are all sorts of different setup options are available on one platform but not another.<p>It turns out that my stumbling block is the trackpad and keyboard -- I know this issue is highly specific to each individual, so you may not care about this. I haven't tried them on a Framework laptop but they're both horrible IMO on the Thinkpad. (Other people tell me that I'm crazy and they love the keyboard, so YMMV.) The trackpad feels like plastic crap and responsiveness is subpar. Causing a right-click by pressing slightly right of center is annoying. The page up/down keys in the inverted-T pad get in the way. Even on Mac, I didn't like the era of full size left-right arrows, and bought a couple spare old Mac keyboards that don't have those keys. Thankfully Apple fixed that in more recent designs.<p>Since I code all day, I'm constantly using the key sequences for copy/paste and search/replace. Maybe with time you can switch your muscle memory for these things, but I think it's simple to do these things on a Mac keyboard and not quite as easy (e.g. ctrl/shift-insert) on Linux/Windows.<p>However, the issues that you'd run into are most likely going to be different than the ones I did. You're probably just going to have to try it and find out if you like it or not.
I bought a MBA M1 in 2021 (replacing a 2015 MBP) and it's really a nice machine, but the OS is not as nice. I'm running Fedora Silverblue on 2 other computers and while Gnome is not as polished, the whole ecosystem actually let you adapt it to your workflow, which macOS does not.<p>I don't really use a lot of pro software for non-programming tasks, so I don't miss them. Flatpak and GTK based applications are more than OK for the majority of tasks I have to do. And for the rest, it's easy to write some scripts. The main pros for me were no annoyances from corporate headquarters (pushing whatever services) and sensible configuration choices.
I stopped using my 2009 MBP in 2021. It had three batteries and a HD to SSD upgrade by that time. For heavy lifting I have been using a Debian minitower with 3 LCDs since 2017. I do 90% of my work on the minitower. For on the road use, I have a Lenovo ChromeBook.<p>I'm not a gamer, but for development Debian Linux is absolutely perfect. Having multiple screens allows me to have reference information a mere glance away.<p>I have toyed with other people's recent Macs and I find that with each upgrade Apple increasingly locks you into their ecosystem and ways of working.<p>I am not a fan of extended use of laptops. By sitting so close to the LCD you end up with myopia and other eye aliments.
The first time I tried, despite thinking I'd done my research I had so many issues with basic things like wifi I gave up, but that was like 10+ years ago.<p>I think for my phone, I'd still prefer iOS -- I think the lack of freedom can be a form of protection, in terms of maleware.<p>My next laptop will probably be a Linux laptop -- I'm thinking Debian or Xubuntu. (I like XFCE, aesthetically and in terms of resource cost.)<p>If anyone has suggestions, I'm basically looking to just do music/movie streamin and light text editing -- maybe fire up a Parrot VM to run some tests. Battery life is more important to me than processor/ram.
The only macs I used were work issued ones, and all of them have been terrible. I can't imagine spending your own money on those. I went through 5 in a 4 year period, through no fault of my own.<p>At home I was Linux for the longest time, running VFIO passthrough to a windows VM. Once WSL2 got released, Im fully on Windows. WSL2 does everything I need in terms of Linux, so now I pretty much have the best possible setup since I can run any software. Pytorch with GPUs within WSL2 works great as well.<p>You do have to get Windows Pro though to be able to disable a bunch of stuff, but once you do its a pretty smooth experience.
I’ve been on some Mac or another for 20+ years now, and just upgraded to a refurbished M3 Max for LLM experimentation. I just don’t see the appeal for me of going to windows, although Linux is always possible if we get some decent affordable unified memory boxes from nvidia (eg digits). Macs keep killing on performance/watt though, I wish someone would compete with Apple more aggressively.<p>Note I don’t really use any Mac apps (well, just apps that are available on other platforms, like vscode, chrome), so that wouldn’t stop me from switching.
I've moved away from MacOS for everything but work.<p>At home I'm 100% iPadOS and iPhoneOS (also have a Kindle that I use daily). When I'm not at work I've been able to eliminate all "computer" use.<p>There was an adjustment period when I'd use my partner's MacBook Pro for a few random things. The last thing I remember doing on one was my taxes in 2023. But past 2 years now I just did them on the iPad and it was fine.<p>It's been great.
My mac of 13 years is running fine..except I am unable to update the OS because Apple has set limitations on the upgrading OS with old hardware. I will probably end up buying a new mac until I can see a good Linux ecosystem.<p>A friend who is also in the same situation is however going to Surface Pros. He swears its on par with Mac on hardware.
I have not moved away from Mac; instead, I've been slowly moving towards it with an eye to replacing Win11 with Linux. The amount of data leaking from Win11 is mind-boggling. While I'm aware macOS does too, Apple is just a little bit more transparent about it.
Not moving away from Mac, I still have my Mac and love it.<p>But I've installed Bluefin-dx on my gaming PC and work laptop. I love it. It's similar enough to Mac OS and really solid.