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Wikipedia Redefined

550 pointsby troethomalmost 13 years ago

85 comments

tptacekalmost 13 years ago
You'd probably want any redesign of Wikipedia to start with the understanding that the front page of the English Wikipedia <i>isn't</i> WWW.WIKIPEDIA.ORG, it's EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG, and that that page is dominated by content --- most notably the WP Featured Articles, which are a core part of the Wikipedia community.<p>Draw the pretty colored lines after you grok the concept.<p>It goes downhill for me as they try to get more technical, redefining the way the encyclopedia is edited and organized. Drag and drop reformatting of article layouts? Really? Don't the best Wikipedia articles tend to be conformant to template layouts?<p>Wikipedia is not Digg. It does not have, as its primary goal, the delight of random web users. They are doing something bigger than that.<p>I'm also not a fan of the branding idea. First, they've confused Wikipedia with The Wikimedia Foundation. The two aren't the same thing. The branding they propose makes sense only for the latter. Second, they're trying to do that organic living logo thing that has become ultra-trendy lately (just read Brand New Blog to see it done well); "as Wikimedia evolves, the little lines in the logo will change". Well, maybe, but the relationship between Wikimedia top-level properties doesn't change all that regularly, nor does it meaningfully change depending on the context. Nor does the aggregate set of lines between properties draw an appealing or meaningful picture.<p>Also the capital "I" in the font they're using is <i>killing</i> me.
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languagehackeralmost 13 years ago
I work at Wikia, which means I work with MediaWiki every day. I was kind of offended by how naive New is New is being. I don't think they have any grasp on the sort of massive scope changes like this would require. Wikipedia is not MediaWiki's only consumer. A lot of communities that use MediaWiki are extremely conservative about the UI, so some of the conservatism is by design. The WikiMedia Foundation is working on a lot of the more feasible features already, such as the visual editor.<p>I think it's obnoxious that a design team would spend two months on something without taking any time to consider implementation detail. The MediaWiki project is very transparent, and if New is New cared to learn about what features were in the works, they could have easily found them on the right wiki -- design mockups and all. Whoever would hire these guys to do work for hire will be paying for an intractable mess of a design with a hearty helping of scope creep.<p>And don't get me started on the proposed Wikipedia logo. It looks like the Wikia fractal with way less nodes.
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kristiancalmost 13 years ago
The front page of Wikipedia works remarkably well for discovery - go to en.wikipedia.org on any given day, and you are guaranteed to learn something new.<p>Deciding that users want to see your overbearing minimalism and your 'sound-great-in-concept-meetings-but-shit-on-paper' designs instead of you know, actual information on the front page of an encyclopaedia strikes me as an astonishing act of hubris.<p>The one piece of information given on the front page (the languages bar) is a nice curiosity, but utterly useless after about one visit. I'm sure the Swiss, the Swedes, the Danes, the Indonesians would also be delighted to find that their languages have been relegated to 'rollover' status.<p>As for the article pages, too much white-space, nowhere near enough information density. Did it not strike the authors, "Hey, hang on, the article is almost invisible on this page after all the crap we put in?" <a href="http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/img/27.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/img/27.png</a>
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mbrubeckalmost 13 years ago
Proposed Wikipedia logo: <a href="http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/img/4.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/img/4.png</a><p>Actual WordPress logo: <a href="http://s.wordpress.org/about/images/logos/wordpress-logo-stacked-rgb.png" rel="nofollow">http://s.wordpress.org/about/images/logos/wordpress-logo-sta...</a><p>(It's not just that both are W's -- they also chose a typeface with a similar distinctive swoosh.)
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patrickmclarenalmost 13 years ago
Sent this email to them:<p>" Absolutely terrible; increasing the signal/noise ratio, in addition to increasing unnecessary white space were extremely bad design choices.<p>The purpose of Wikipedia is to share information. The changes that you proposed impede that goal by the addition of a step where the user has to "understand" the design, before they can begin to use it.<p>You should have reviewed mathematical and scientific journals before you begun your sketch work. Those types of publications succeed at transmitting a high amount of information, very quickly. Bare HTML pages also succeed at transmitting technical information at a very fast rate.<p>Rather than just stating that Wikipedia is in need of a redesign, state your reasons. The design of Wikipedia is not simply an aesthetic designer's problem, it is a problem that has to be approached from an engineering point of view: maximise the information communication rate whilst keeping the design aesthetically pleasing, not the other way around."
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ilakshalmost 13 years ago
The biggest problem I have with this sort of thing -- actually probably the whole field(s) of UI/UX design -- is that there is no actual prototype but it seems like they are implying that the programmers didn't include any of those features because they didn't think of them, and that now the real work for the 'redesign' has been done. As if the hard part was making a bunch of pictures.<p>So this whole thing really irritates me.<p>Having said that, I think that modernizing Wikipedia or MediaWiki is a an interesting idea (although probably not a priority), and this is actually a decent starting point for discussing how many of the new (mainly, but not entirely, stylistic) UI/UX trends (principles in a few cases I guess) could be applied.<p>I mean obviously their nav takes up more space than necessary and we don't need Wikipedia's logo to look just like WordPress's, but the minimalism, alternate typography of some sort, monochrome icon widgets, etc. are apparently now required in order to qualify as contemporary design. And the connection clouds and highlighter quote idea is cool. And it probably wouldn't hurt to remove one or two of the buttons on the editor or move them to an advanced section, or spend an hour or two making the editor looking more contemporary.<p>In case anyone actually reads this, I have a question. Is the thing where buttons and controls are monochrome icons (and usually with no 3d appearance), is that going to stay? I mean, is there a reason you can't have multiple colors in icons now? Also it seems a lot of times you don't get labels on buttons anymore (I know, tooltips). How much of this stuff is likely to stick for the next 5, 10 years, or is it just a short term fad? I mean I coded a UI recently for a component platform thing I am building (actual functional software platform, not pictures) and it had multicolor traditional icons on normal 3d buttons with labels. This UX guy saw that and said I was 'completely out of touch'. So I took the labels, 3d and colors off the buttons.
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Katelynalmost 13 years ago
Wikimedia Foundation's Senior Designer, Brandon Harris, had a lot of insightful, interesting feedback[1] regarding the 'redesign,' (of which I happen to agree with):<p>-<i>It's completely impractical and does not take into account some of the most basic ideas that Wikipedia is and depends upon. I don't think it's very well thought out or researched, and serves mostly as a hypothetical portfolio piece for a design firm.</i><p><i>For example, the fact that Wikipedia is available in multiple languages is quite possibly its most important feature. The idea of burying language selection within an incomprehensible color band (that will only work on non-touch devices) boggles my mind.</i><p>- <i>Many, many important principles are tossed away. Why do the designers change the meaning of the "history" button? Burying the revision history is counter to all things that wikis stand for.</i><p>- <i>Research into the Foundation projects would tell you that storing a user's browsing history is against the privacy policy - so why include that?</i><p>- &#62; "Sharing functions will be the same so no change is necessary" - <i>except that there are no sharing functions.</i><p>- <i>The most basic principle of product design is "Know the product," and these designers do not.</i><p>And finally,<p><i>This is to say nothing of the exercise in 'brand manipulation.' The most powerful brand that Wikipedia has is the wordmark itself ("wikipedia"), followed by the distinctive "W" logo (crossed "v" characters), followed by a single puzzle piece, followed by the puzzle globe. The brand rework here throws ALL of these things away and replaces them with a stylized "w" glyph that is almost but not quite exactly like the logo used by Wordpress."</i><p><i>But that's just my opinion"</i><p><i>"If you want to have an idea of what the Wikimedia Foundation is thinking with regards to the future of Wikipedia, you'd be better served by reading: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-08-06/Op-ed*" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/20...</a><p>[1] Brandon full response to the design: <a href="http://www.quora.com/Wikipedia/Wikipedia-What-does-the-Wikipedia-community-think-of-this-Wikipedia-Redefined-redesign-of-the-site/answer/Brandon-Harris-1?__snids__=50923403" rel="nofollow">http://www.quora.com/Wikipedia/Wikipedia-What-does-the-Wikip...</a>
FuzzyDunlopalmost 13 years ago
I don't know where they got the idea that a serif 'W' is the most recognisable 'W' on the net (as Wikipedia). I first thought of Waterstones (a UK bookstore chain), and then Wordpress.<p>Even after that, how does it then make sense to actually change it to something else, thus removing what identity there once was? It's not like the replacement (with the Adobe-esque abbreviations that are meaningless to people who don't already know them) is an actual improvement.<p>Otherwise, I don't really get the purpose of it. Wikipedia's not there to look fancy or show off designer skills, and I'd argue that anything that isn't pure content is just completely unnecessary for it.
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citricsquidalmost 13 years ago
copying my comment from reddit:<p>If a user doesn't recognise the word "English" then they are not going to have any idea what language select. The reason the languages are all listed on the page without any interaction needed is so someone can look at the webpage and recognise their language and select it without having to understand anything else. How do I access the main page of a wiki?<p>This isn't redefined, it's just a redesign with some bad, some good, aesthetic changes.
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jameswysealmost 13 years ago
Does anyone else find the font used on that page really distracting? What's with the I looking like a J?
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flixicalmost 13 years ago
Oh dear...<p>New! is a fairly... new.. advertising agency from my country, Lithuania. They are trying to become better known, so this is without a doubt a targeted publicity stunt ("Look how well it worked for Dustin Curtis to redesign American Airlines! I guess we can do something similar!")<p>And as that, it's pretty bad. Not only did they showed poor design (in a sense of "how it works") skills, but also left a bad impression as a studio.
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runjakealmost 13 years ago
I see some Wikipedia people commenting, so I'll mention I <i>MUCH</i> prefer the existing Wikipedia over this design. It's simple and it loads quickly.<p>I find this design gaudy and the gradient bars reminds me of mid-2000s ASP.net design style, which I have a particular adversion to.<p>Just because a design has been around awhile doesn't mean it requires an overhaul.
jasonwatkinspdxalmost 13 years ago
Design starts with constraints. If you don't understand the constraints, a redesign is just a fantasy.<p>Wikipedia is heavily constrained by one thing: the existing mediawiki markup. That presents a huge challenge to implementing this redesign.<p>Large mediawiki installs become brittle because users have a natural tendency to use the markup for presentation, not structure. Combined with the in markup template mechanisms, the tendency is toward a tangle of interdependent markup. Wikipedia's community does far better than most in fighting this with policy and consistency, but it's still an issue.<p>Implementing this redesign would require not just working with some of the more difficult parts of the mediawiki code base, but also a laborious effort to rewrite a sizable fraction (if not the majority) of all wiki foundation content. That just isn't going to happen.<p>But that doesn't mean design improvements on wikipedia are impossible, just that any attempt needs to work in alignment with the constraining forces.
dmazinalmost 13 years ago
I'm not sure Wikipedia needs a rebranding, and tell me if I'm the only one, but I use Google to get to specific Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia's actual search and search results need to be re-implemented, but I don't agree about redesign beyond that.<p>That leaves the actual articles. I like the way they are designed here, except for the monolithic nav bar.<p>If anything, this is a nice theme for articles - and theming is a feature that has existed on Wikipedia for a number of years now.
bhermsalmost 13 years ago
I'm a big fan of the reimagining of how people interact with the site.. I think that's a major step forward, but I was very displeased with the redesign. I definitely agree a redesign is in order, but I wasn't a fan of nearly any of the design work presented here. So the take away from this is: these guys rock at interaction design and UX, but still have a lot of work to do in the actual design dept. Keep in mind that this is just my opinion, however, and is entirely subjective.
shalmanesealmost 13 years ago
For a look at what Wikipedia is actually of thinking of designing over the next 3 years, check out Project Athena: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-08-06/Op-ed" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/20...</a>
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dsr_almost 13 years ago
Wikipedia doesn't need a redesign. It just needs to have an easy preferences setting for "I am a deletionist" vs "I am an inclusionist" or whatever the current preferred designations are.<p>The deletionists get pared-down, guaranteed notable content, and the inclusionists get the mess.
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dimitaralmost 13 years ago
Its awful. It reminds me of the Gmail redesign. I hate these simplified, 2d websites.<p>Why do you have to ruin every website?
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neilkalmost 13 years ago
Every now and then a designer comes along and says they're going to fix Wikipedia. And those of us who've tried either are polite or roll our eyes....<p>However, this person has some legitimately great ideas. I love how the design is far more reader-centric. I'm not sure why I need a history of articles that I read (browsers do that very well these days), but the 'highlighted' text is a cool idea. You can start thinking about the site as helping you research things, keep a scrapbook of snippets. I love it.<p>The front page redesign: believe it or not, the multiple languages <i>are</i> the most important thing to highlight. Wikipedia's global audience often uses that system to navigate between encyclopedias. They also often use Google to find the English article, and then look for an 'inter-wiki link' in the margin to an article in their native language.<p>It looks like there's a lot of cruft in the design, and maybe someone needs to be very bold and piss off a lot of users and force a new interaction pattern. But this stuff is all there for a reason. The 'random article' button is actually one of the most popular features. Really!<p>As for the proposed branding: first of all, the ideas presented here are not very good. It reminds me of the generic brands at the supermarket. The gossamer rainbow graph wouldn't even reproduce properly at small sizes (and if projects are added or eliminated, then what, do we change the logo?)<p>But more importantly - the thing which the designers rarely understand is that Wikipedia and its sister projects are not products to be sold - they are communities. And they came to consensus on those logos. They're more like sports team logos than a unified branding system to sell something. That said, there is a system, of sorts; when new logos are made, they try to make variations on the red dot and blue and green shapes.<p>Also, don't get me started on making color meaningful for navigation. It works for subway maps and it sucks everywhere else. Very bad for accessibility (color-blind people). And very bad for maintainability. The Russian Wikipedia is currently the fastest growing site; you can expect it to change position in the rankings soon. Then what, add another color? Should it change colors, surprising the user? Swap the colors in the rainbow?<p>Lastly, this designer isn't even addressing the biggest problem we have today, which is how to modify Wikipedia for the mobile web. Reading articles is getting better, and we've been using the Wiki Loves Monuments annual contest as a way to drive the development of mobile photo submissions. But there's still no clear vision of how anyone does serious editing on a mobile device.<p>As for the part where they offhandedly remark that we should make the site live-editable... HA HA HA. You have no idea what you're up against. I worked on this myself for a while. We made some interesting demos but they weren't something you could deploy.<p>If we were making Wikipedia from scratch today, of course we'd do that and more, but the thing is, there are multiple challenges, and a whole lot of legacy to support.<p>Technically: it has to serialize to wikitext and be uploaded as discrete changes to sections. So if you want live editing you need bidirectional parsing and serialization in the browser. Wikitext is unlike any other regular language and has a complex macro system, which consists of... other wiki pages. Stored in the database. Which means you need heavy database I/O <i>just to render HTML</i>. Or at least, a very extensive cache of page fragments. You also can't cheat with a simpler parser in the browser, because wikitext was basically designed to indulge whatever shortcuts the community wanted, and be extremely forgiving. Most wiki pages exploit at least one of the weird quirks. You can't even cheat by regularizing wikitext as you go, because then you're causing spurious changes that the community can't easily police. The current team is solving this with a radical approach to parsing that leverages HTML5's standards and a Node.JS based system. So eventually the parser on the site and in the editor might be very similar.<p>Operationally: Wikipedia is a cheap site to run because it's basically a static site that you can serve from cache. But changing an article can be monstrously inefficient. There are some articles, like "Barack Obama", that would take <i>minutes</i> to re-render if the caches were empty. When you start changing the basic database model to be more 'live', the costs start to explode.<p>But rather than drown in negativity, let me just say that whoever this is - thank you for throwing your ideas out there. Assuming this isn't just a resume-building exercise, get in touch with the MediaWiki developers. They need designers.
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vosperalmost 13 years ago
Typical "creative agency" - not proofing their own copy. I've seen this kind of thing so many times, and it baffles me that it's allowed to slip through to production sites.
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dgreenspalmost 13 years ago
I hope this Adobe-like visual branding strategy of "we have so many properties/products, let's just make a rainbow period table" dies a slow and horrible death.<p>See: <a href="http://thoughts.shawncheris.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/colorwheel_cs6-640x640.png" rel="nofollow">http://thoughts.shawncheris.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/c...</a>
cmelbyealmost 13 years ago
This is awesome. I'm not on board with everything (as someone else pointed out, the navigation is huge and overshadows the content), but it does a good job of rethinking how users interact with Wikipedia by making it easier to use for research. Unfortunately, I can't see anything like this ever happening due to inertia and the direct democracy system that Wikipedia generally employs when making changes.
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netmau5almost 13 years ago
"We hope you will find it interesting."<p>Why the guillotine on these guys? I think they contributed something meaningful to the discussion. You don't have to like it to be respectful.
juddlyonalmost 13 years ago
This is a smart idea by these folks, it's generating buzz for their firm and likely helped them improve their branding chops as they thought through this.<p>I found the way they presented it deferential and respectful enough, why trash their effort? Of course these fantasy redesigns are naive and mostly impractical, but there may also be some decent/helpful ideas being suggested. Do you think Wikipedia is worse off for all of us discussing how it might be improved?<p>I like unsolicited redesigns so long as the people behind them aren't snide or arrogant in the way they present them (I can see why the NY Times redesign irked people).
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correctifieralmost 13 years ago
The sub section branding with the small w and the large first letter looks really awkward. Wiktionary is represented by a wT, but having a T represent a dictionary makes no sense, and there is a similar problem with wikiversity. They also tried clarifying the Species and Source by adding more letters on the latter which is isn't very visually appealing and shows the limitations of this scheme.<p>I also think that they add too much focus on the site wide navigation stuff at the top, which takes away the focus on the data.
waqfalmost 13 years ago
I didn't even have the patience to read their own page because of their poor design choices (mostly, waaay too much scrolling).<p>I'm glad I don't have to read a Wikipedia designed by these people.
testdfsgalmost 13 years ago
&#62; The homepage of current Wikipedia is overcrowded with display of languages, which overshadows the main functionality–the search area.<p>The main functionality of wikipedia.org is not search, but showing a list of Wikipedia language editions.<p>&#62; Rolling over the top right corner reveals more options for languages.<p>What the hell is this? Why would you use JavaScript dropdown? That's not how websites work. Just look at 99% of websites. They don't require putting mouse over something to view hidden content.<p>&#62; Quote serves as a felt pen. It can be an easy way to highlight the best parts of an article, just like in text books.<p>This functionality is better done as a web browser plugin. Because then you can save quotes from other websites too, not only Wikipedia.<p>&#62; <a href="http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/img/26.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/img/26.png</a><p>Where Research, Edit, Talk buttons disappeared?<p>&#62; Basically, there are two reasons to visit Wikipedia: to read or to contribute. Reading function is Research and contribution is called Edit.<p>This layout is bad for reading. Article text starts at half of screen, not at top. On most popular resolutions (1366x768, netbook 1024x600) it's even worse, article text would start at the bottom of screen.
egypturnashalmost 13 years ago
J kinda thought this started out on the wrong foot wjth the chojce of fonts for the body copy. Jt only went downhill from there.<p>J'm really not hot on the rebrandjng of everything as "wX". Thjs js almost as unjnspjred as Adobe's CS-era brandjng. Jn fact J wouldn't be surprjsed jf jt turned out that whoever made thjs page js a fan of that abomjnatjon.<p>Oh and thjs gets even better: you know how thjs "redesjgn" seems to be all about makjng Wjkjpedja's multjple languages completely obscured? The people who djd thjs are from Ljthuanja. WHAT. <a href="http://newisnew.lt" rel="nofollow">http://newisnew.lt</a>
akandiahalmost 13 years ago
That 'W' that's being used here looks awfully similar to the 'W' used by the company 'Westfield'. There may be issues with the trademark.<p><a href="http://www.westfield.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.westfield.com/</a>
figitalalmost 13 years ago
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:User_style" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:User_style</a><p>(also ... the content is open .... ripe for anyone else to give this a go)
jblockalmost 13 years ago
This redesign assumes that Wikipedia needed simplification. I think that if the brand and experience needed simplification, people wouldn't use it or would be more vocal about changing it.<p>The designers clearly have some layout and visual acumen, but this redesign doesn't fully grasp the magnitude of Wikipedia. Every layout is modular, and every pixel has to be fully thought out. The result here looks more like the-new-Digg than it should.
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jcfreialmost 13 years ago
I couldn't care less about a proposed redesign of wikipedia by a random design agency. but I do gotta give props to their marketing department.
wishfulcodingalmost 13 years ago
&#62; ...and decided to eliminate, ahem, everything except... …the letter W, which is/could be the most famous W in the whole web.<p>Wikipedia is available in 275 languages, and the current logo at least acknowledges that there are other writing systems and that this is not just an English encyclopaedia.<p>Changing it for a W is a complete disregard of the significance of Wikipedia as a multilingual reference work.
cantrevealnamealmost 13 years ago
Tip to anyone looking for a link to the Redefined Wikipedia so you can actually try it out: <i>it doesn't exist</i>.<p>What they did is a design -- i.e., a document explaining their ideas. There is no working prototype that you can try out. (I was looking forward to trying out the Connection Cloud.)<p>It wasn't obvious to me that they had a discussion about design but no actual implementation.
rotskoffalmost 13 years ago
I feel like this redesign invests in exactly the sort of brand-ism that wikipedia opposes. These changes seem to do little to improve the actual interface, instead introducing an intrusive menu and pasting a logo wherever possible.<p>That said, the connection explorer is quite neat and the efforts to ease editing have their heart in the right place.
karlherleralmost 13 years ago
This design forgoes my second biggest usage of Wikipedia (and I suspect it's a big use case for other multilinguals). (My primary usage of course being reading and enjoying the vast content.)<p>I often use Wikipedia as a high quality word translator. I study at a Swedish speaking university which requires that a lot of the written material I produce is of course in swedish. Whenever I'm writing a comp sci text and I wonder what in gods name a "morphism" is in swedish I just look up the english article (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphism</a>) and hover over the swedish language in the sidebar and voilà I've got a peer reviewed translation (peer reviewed because it probably has sources in both languages, in most cases).
calvinalmost 13 years ago
I like the use of colors in the redefined design, but will it work for people with color-blindness?
lubujacksonalmost 13 years ago
Agree with all the critiques. Interestingly, while reading through the redesign, I thought some of the new functionality they added (highlighting, mapping link connections, etc.) were kind of interesting.<p>But then I remembered designers aren't supposed to develop new features.
werdnanoslenalmost 13 years ago
Agghhh, it's like they're making it web-3.0-y with all the giant logos/buttons and a massive toolbar. I already hate sites enough that cram a whole load of fat things above the actual content. Especially sharing buttons. I KNOW HOW TO COPY A URL DAMMIT!
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umairsiddiquealmost 13 years ago
I'm glad Wikipedia is nothing remotely like that.
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rafudualmost 13 years ago
Worth reading:<p><a href="http://www.quora.com/Wikipedia/Why-doesnt-Wikipedia-innovate-with-regards-to-their-user-interface" rel="nofollow">http://www.quora.com/Wikipedia/Why-doesnt-Wikipedia-innovate...</a><p>Some interesting technical (and also 'philosophical') aspects.
jrockwayalmost 13 years ago
It basically looks like a copy of Google's current design. Black bar with other properties at the top, then a big white page full of whatever. It's a fine interface, but I don't have much trouble with en.wikipedia either.
dinkumthinkumalmost 13 years ago
Wow that's ugly. When did minimalism and copying Google's get mistaken fir creativity?<p>I'm kinda over the whole "hey. we're all cool people. let's get together and do stuff." design aesthetic. It was cute for a time but let's move on.
javertalmost 13 years ago
Please just KISS. Why would we want to make Wikipedia clunky and overstylized?
mehulkaralmost 13 years ago
J don't really care about Wikipedia looking nice or being more navigatable. J rarely go there to browse. J google a term and append it with 'wiki', click on the first link and 3 minutes later J'm done.
BasDirksalmost 13 years ago
I can't take designers seriously when they use a font with that such an unreadable "I", and input boxes big enough to park a truck in. Get the basics right when you make proposals that are supposed to represent your skills and vision. There are too many cute ideas in this redesign like the upside-down "w" for "meta" and the LSD spiderweb logo.<p>Do the colours indicate language or specific wiki? Can't have both, sorry.<p>The designers have huge problems with proportion both typographically and in their whitespace. Even if they are just mock-ups, they can use some more care.
kleibaalmost 13 years ago
I'm using a netbook. I think without "Readability" I woudln't have been able to make it through most of their post because I kept hitting space about twice per second. From looking at their redesign for an article page (didn't care much about anything related to the wikipedia homepage, I never use it), it seems like they don't care too much for people with small screens either: about half of the available screen estate available to my browser would be covered by their menu thing at the top.<p>I guess people with netbooks would be worse off.
fusiongyroalmost 13 years ago
Overall, I think it's gorgeous, especially the page layout stuff. I don't like the logos especially, but having a "branded house" approach makes a lot of sense for uniting the disparate sites.
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EternalFuryalmost 13 years ago
Where is the Wikimedia theme/skin described in this showcase?
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moealmost 13 years ago
Well, got to cut them some slack for effort.<p>But the result is atrocious.<p>This is exactly the kind of stuff you normally get when BigCorp meets CI-agency.<p>Every single detail gets backed by an elaborate, esoteric justification, so everyone has their asses covered. Nevermind the horror that is the end-result. What matters is that "we made the button bright pink and 2 pixels tall because studies have shown bright pink catches attention and small click-targets invoke natural curiosity"...
yitchellealmost 13 years ago
Is wikipedia __really__ broken that it requires a redefinition?<p>I think what these folks did was a new UX/UI implementation. Redefinition would imply a new way of how wikipedia handles with the data. Not in terms of displaying or presentating the data but in terms of providing better analysis tools for the data (among others).<p>What this folks did was more of a PR exercise to showcase what they are capable of..
cabalamatalmost 13 years ago
In the redesign, the body of the pyramid article starts halfway down the page. In the original, it starts 1/4 way down the page.<p>This is not an improvement.
damian2000almost 13 years ago
Nice effort, but they don't understand one of the fundamental things about content heavy sites the size of wikipedia - the vast majority of users never even need to go to its home page - they get to the content via direct links from search engines like google. Many these days prefix their google search with "wiki" as well in order to look on wikipedia.
hessenwolfalmost 13 years ago
To me, it is obviously just an experiment in design concepts. I enjoyed reading it. I don't agree with almost everything, and the changes to wikipedia they make are, in my opinion, fuck-ugly, but I don't know why we need to be so harsh on it!! It's not like they were trying to replace Wikipedia, just play with 're-imagining any website'.
dt7almost 13 years ago
Interesting proposals, but like Andy Rutledge's NYT re-design (<a href="http://andyrutledge.com/news-redux.php" rel="nofollow">http://andyrutledge.com/news-redux.php</a>) limited by the practicalities of implementing them. I don't think the Wikimedia foundation has the resources to do any kind of major re-design, at least not quickly.
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johanneswageneralmost 13 years ago
I did a very similar project a couple of weeks ago. You can see the results on <a href="http://ency.cl/opedia" rel="nofollow">http://ency.cl/opedia</a><p>This post sums up some of my thoughts about it: <a href="http://lolcat.biz/post/27368236760/ency-cl-opedia" rel="nofollow">http://lolcat.biz/post/27368236760/ency-cl-opedia</a>
mgurlitzalmost 13 years ago
It's hard to say what's going on with the font. Works fine on Mac 10.8 Chrome 22.0.1215.0 (<a href="http://i.imgur.com/QMfte.png" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/QMfte.png</a>), but not in Safari, Firefox or Chrome iOS (<a href="http://i.imgur.com/8FruE.png" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/8FruE.png</a>).
shmerlalmost 13 years ago
Design looks somewhat "tabletized" with oversized controls intended making usage of capacitive touchscreens easier. Desktop version of the site doesn't need such oversized controls - they don't look pretty and unnecessary eat useful space. It's nicely done though for the mobile optimized version.
sazpazalmost 13 years ago
Obviously, Wikipedia is an extremely useful educational resource, and I think it's even more powerful in developing countries, which usually lack of academic materials. Making changes that rise the technological barrier of entry for many users doesn't seem adequate to me.
maximveksleralmost 13 years ago
This feels hugely like an attempt to make Wikipedia look like a google.com side project.<p>Bottom line: Personal Taste: I don't like it.<p>Wikipedia is not Google, it does not crawel and select the best content, it hosts and distributes the most valuable content crawled by wetware during their life time.
sonieralmost 13 years ago
I would really love to be able to highlight and bookmark snippets. Unfortunately, it would likely be a huge back end change for Wikipedia and their servers would likely melt.<p>It would be great if there was an external site that used content from Wikipedia and had these features.
TomGullenalmost 13 years ago
I like the proposed design from the point of view that I'd be casually browsing it trying to find interesting information and learning things for no reason.<p>But for finding out information I need to find out for whatever reason, it's just going to slow that process down.
andrewfelixalmost 13 years ago
Wikipedia's current design has never impeded my ability to consume its content. It works.<p>I would love some a image browser and lightbox style reference pop-ups. BUT I imagine the current build runs great on old machines, making it accessible to a wide audience.
laconianalmost 13 years ago
My Page Down key melted from being pressed repeatedly so many times. Fucking designers.
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MisterMerkinalmost 13 years ago
Wow. Just wow. The Microsoft redesign that was submitted a month or so ago was.. okay. But this is absolutely horrid. When they got rid of the nod to all the other languages it couldn't be saved.
mvzinkalmost 13 years ago
Agree or disagree with their design decisions, I do hope they are right that "the discussion begins". Does anybody know of internal/official Wikimedia efforts/discussions wrt redesigns?
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iansinkealmost 13 years ago
Am I the only one who finds a capital "T" very non-intuitive for "Dictionary"? Likewise "V" for "University"? That part of the whole logo branding I found unnecessarily concise.
amirnathooalmost 13 years ago
Love it. Ignore them.
thowar2almost 13 years ago
Criagslist needs their help more than wikipedia!
MichaelMcQuirkalmost 13 years ago
LOVE IT!!! Had the feeling Wikipedia was starting to look old. Now it's starting to look more of a 21st century web site ^_^
phmagicalmost 13 years ago
Flat. More space. Focused on typography. Typography.<p>I think designers are moving further away from form follows function.
justin_vanwalmost 13 years ago
OMG, they think it might be a good idea to do a minor frontend redesign of wikipedia!<p>More about this story as it breaks!
hexoalmost 13 years ago
I'm sick of these bloated designs which tries to solve an issue which doesn't exist in a first place!<p>Please go away.
jbranchaudalmost 13 years ago
I think they copied the W from the label on the can of cashews I am currently munching.
sajithdilshanalmost 13 years ago
functionality wise much more better than prevailing wikipedia. But still seems like a lot of clutter is there. And sister sites could use different icon (logo) scheme. Using a letter as an icon (or logo) can be confusing sometimes.
Honzoalmost 13 years ago
Couldn't someone just make this into a Chrome Extension? I'd be happy with that.
fiatjafalmost 13 years ago
Ok, now the logo of Wikipedia will be the same of a thousand other W companies.
countessaalmost 13 years ago
The single W just looks like they want to be Wordpress. Not my cup of tea.
ekianjoalmost 13 years ago
WOW. That must be the laziest logo redesign EVER.
hk__2almost 13 years ago
What is that font? “I” and “J” have same glyph!
mikecanealmost 13 years ago
Brilliant redesign. They should adopt it.
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radicaldreameralmost 13 years ago
Clever is the enemy of simple.
jermainkalmost 13 years ago
Add a share button to your site :)
derlethalmost 13 years ago
Too much space is taken up by navigation in this scheme. There's a <i>reason</i> Wikipedia's design is dominated by text.
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padrian2ssalmost 13 years ago
yeah sure, you almost got me fooled, microsoft. this kind of remake is just a microsoft stunt to foul people to adhere to their ridiculous UI from windows 8.