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Can Earth's rotation generate power? Physicists divided over controversial claim

106 pointsby qnleighabout 2 months ago

28 comments

Panda_about 2 months ago
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srousseyabout 2 months ago
The Earths rotation already generates power for us: wind. It’s why the jet stream only goes one direction.
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dangabout 2 months ago
The paper is here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2503.15790" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2503.15790</a><p>(via <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43520716">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43520716</a>, but we merged that thread hither)
ziofillabout 2 months ago
Wouldn&#x27;t this eventually slow down Earth&#x27;s rotation? The rotational kinetic energy of our planet is 1&#x2F;5 M * R^2 * w^2 with (approximately) M = 6e34 kg, R = 6.3e6m, w = 7.4e-5 rad&#x2F;s, which gives approximately 5e36 joules. Yearly we need roughly 3e16 Wh. Yeah ok there&#x27;s plenty. Woah! (also, I may be off by some orders of magnitude)
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themaninthedarkabout 2 months ago
There was a decent science fiction serris based on this premise:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;700919.Signal_to_Noise" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;700919.Signal_to_Noise</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;737628.A_Signal_Shattered" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;737628.A_Signal_Shattere...</a>
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vessenesabout 2 months ago
This is really cool. Question for EEs &#x2F; Material Scientists reading the paper - they mention you could shrink the cylinders and get the same voltage provided a &quot;suitable material&quot; could be found. Any back of the envelope or explanation of materials needed to make these cylinders say 1&#x2F;1000th their current size? That&#x27;d be an extremely useful amount of energy when put into say a 1000x parallel array.<p>It seems hard to imagine that this kind of shrink-down could go on forever, but on the other hand, the earth is just sort of hurtling us around with great energy while it rotates.
ChrisNorstromabout 2 months ago
My Stupid Question, please don&#x27;t laugh:<p>If you did this on a massive enough scale, to generate serious amounts of power, would that accidentally slow the Earth&#x27;s rotation down over time?
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LegionMammal978about 2 months ago
It would be interesting if this works. Last time people were hyping up a tiny effect with big ramifications that can only exist due to a subtle &#x27;loophole&#x27;, it was the EmDrive stuff that turned out to be driven by measurement errors. But I&#x27;m no expert in electrostatics.
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1970-01-01about 2 months ago
A bad question, as it has been doing that literally (rotationally) since before life started. This power is busy generating the magnetosphere. We would not be enjoying our nice oxygen atmosphere and would be as dead as Mars if Earth&#x27;s rotation wasn&#x27;t also powering a dynamo.
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threeseedabout 2 months ago
Current = 25.4 ± 1.5 nA, Voltage = 17.3 ± 1.5 µV.<p>Making total power for the 30cm shell = 0.44 picowatts.
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deadbabeabout 2 months ago
Suggest a hard sci-fi story where humans abuse this so much the Earth basically stops rotating.
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Kerbonutabout 2 months ago
I had an idea somewhat related to this where we use the solar winds as a sort of road and the earth&#x27;s magnetic field as a sort of rotor to convert kinetic energy from the sun into electricity.
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shadowgovtabout 2 months ago
I have no idea on the claims here, but there is one method for extracting work from the magnetic field that I very much enjoy.<p>A magnetorquer is an attitude control system on a satellite that runs on electricity. Run the electricity through an electromagnet. The magnet couples to Earth&#x27;s magnetic field and turns the satellite, like a compass needle.
throwaway48476about 2 months ago
Would this reduce the magnetic field stength allowing more cosmic rays to reach the surface.
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npodbielskiabout 2 months ago
I wonder how many wats of power we would be able to generate before earth slows down for i.e. 1 second longer day.
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bmachoabout 2 months ago
Imagine a massive planet spinning in empty vacuum. Can the inhabitants slow down their planet, and generate electricity?<p>I suspect that they can generate electricity with angular momentum with it, that can be only used to do work with the equivalent angular momentum.
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asdefghykabout 1 month ago
I ask, ..... Would Extracting power would have the side effect of slowing down the earths rotation ?
mentalgearabout 2 months ago
how practical is this, eg how big would a device have to be to produce any meaningful energy?
miller_joeabout 2 months ago
Strong flashbacks of Southland Tales (2006). Underrated movie with this as a core premise
aurizonabout 2 months ago
We could use this, by adding power, to fine tune the day to eliminate leap years...;)
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exabrialabout 1 month ago
They made a really terrible movie about this.<p>Spoiler: they nuked a bunch of stuff.
nyc111about 2 months ago
Why does the earth have a magnetic field?
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signa11about 1 month ago
but _why_ does the earth rotate ?
K0baltabout 1 month ago
I mean… yes, the earth’s rotation can easily generate power. All you need is a gyroscope spinning in a vacuum on frictionless supports to make that work. Of course it’s only 1 revolution per day, but still, if it’s big enough…<p>It’s hard to beat solar though.there are very few technologies that stack up better financially than “just buy more panels” in most of the populated world. Batteries are really the key.
dabbzabout 1 month ago
Futurama already did this episode though? It caused the Earth to stop spinning.
ninetyninenineabout 2 months ago
Wouldn&#x27;t this slowly slow the earths rotation down? Let&#x27;s say everyone tried to build power plants using this.
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EncomLababout 2 months ago
It&#x27;s incredible the lengths humanity is willing to go to avoid adopting nuclear energy - despite the US navy driving mobile reactors millions of miles over the last 70 years.
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j45about 2 months ago
The topic is very interesting. The spin of science, is not.<p>Side story: What&#x27;s to argue over?<p>There&#x27;s no shortage of scientists with breakthroughs who are pretty much abused by their profession and colleagues, sometimes for decades, simply for exploring possibilities and capabilities that are more than safe and conservative and incremental.<p>Either it&#x27;s true, or it&#x27;s not, and it can be explored, or not.<p>Division breeds who is right and wrong, not what is right or wrong.<p>Maybe it can be proven, maybe not. Maybe it&#x27;s true and we don&#x27;t understand it yet. The naysayers might just not be wanting someone else to succeed.
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