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Why Kagi launched "no use, no pay"

84 pointsby AnhTho_FRabout 2 months ago

7 comments

joshstrangeabout 2 months ago
I&#x27;m always interested in new ways to handle billing&#x2F;subscriptions&#x2F;etc and this is a cool change.<p>I recently heard of a payment strategy that I liked a lot though I understand it&#x27;s hard to explain to customers. John Siracusa&#x27;s Hyperspace [0] app has the following options:<p>* Monthly, recurring<p>* Monthly, one-time<p>* Yearly, recurring<p>* Monthly, one-time<p>* Lifetime, one-time<p>More details in the developer&#x27;s own words here [1]. The interesting options are the Monthly and Yearly one-time options. For anyone in the Apple ecosystem you can technically get this behavior by purchasing a subscription and immediately cancelling it (since you will get the full time period you paid for still). But I really like this payment style especially for an app like this where I don&#x27;t want to pay-per-use (that feel punitive) but I don&#x27;t really have ongoing data-deduplication needs (at least the features the product currently offers). It&#x27;s a &quot;once every year or so&quot; and I might need to run it multiple times on different directories&#x2F;different settings.<p>&quot;Time-based unlocks&quot; might be a better way to think about it. There are lots of products I would 1000000% pay for 1 month of, if it auto-cancelled, but I don&#x27;t need it every month. Often I just skip using the product completely since I have no idea if I cancel if they will close my account right away and&#x2F;or try to refund me. I just don&#x27;t want to have to set a calendar item to remember to cancel a day before it renews.<p>I&#x27;m not opposed to subscriptions, developers need to make money and platforms&#x2F;OS change all the time (especially in mobile) so there is ongoing maintenance. But the issue for me are apps I only need for a little bit or infrequently. If Adobe offered a &quot;1 month, no renewal&quot; then there is a good chance I&#x27;d still be using Photoshop instead of switching to Pixelmator Pro.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hypercritical.co&#x2F;hyperspace&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hypercritical.co&#x2F;hyperspace&#x2F;</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hypercritical.co&#x2F;hyperspace&#x2F;#purchase" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hypercritical.co&#x2F;hyperspace&#x2F;#purchase</a>
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siquickabout 2 months ago
I’ve been paying for Kagi for about 18 months and it’s pretty much the only subscription I have that it’s never crossed my mind to cancel it.
leejoramoabout 2 months ago
The first time I remember seeing a “no use, no pay” plan was with the ProVUE’s Panorama X excellent database application for macOS.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;provue.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;provue.com&#x2F;</a>
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7373737373about 2 months ago
Note: Kagi uses and pays Yandex, some of your data and money will go to Russia
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Rebelgeckoabout 2 months ago
What makes kagi users more of a community than other search engine users? I imagine it&#x27;s a somewhat self-selecting group so I can&#x27;t tell if it&#x27;s just verbiage or a meaningful distinction.
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superultraabout 2 months ago
I&#x27;m really curious about this because it actually incurs some interesting possible customer service issues. Say someone signs up, then usage lapses for a while. Then they use it. Bam they&#x27;re charged. Will they remember that they signed up? Some of these edge cases are defined in the article but remain unanswered. It sounds like the team at Kagi didn&#x27;t even think about them, which is interesting. Still I&#x27;d like to know the answer.
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rmholtabout 2 months ago
Is there anything that prevents Kagi from doing an OpenAI and going for profit?
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