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Do charity bookshops drive out other second-hand bookshops?

70 pointsby fogusabout 1 month ago

17 comments

amiga386about 1 month ago
My experience has been that the second-hand bookshops have had thin times but nonetheless survive <i>because</i> of the internet. They tend to have a better selection compared to charity shops, i.e. not just cast-offs of holiday novels and celeb bios. Shout out to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tillsbookshop.co.uk&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tillsbookshop.co.uk&#x2F;</a> and <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.armchairbooks.co.uk&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.armchairbooks.co.uk&#x2F;</a><p>There has also been a growth in first-hand bookshops, especially specialists&#x2F;curators (e.g. only selling sci-fi, only selling books by women, etc.) to distinguish themselves from the Waterstones and Blackwells of this world.
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neilvabout 1 month ago
&gt; <i>But bricks-and-mortar booksellers can sell via the internet too, and booksellers can migrate to lower rent areas. Indeed, there is some evidence of this: there are fewer city centre bookshops and more in smaller, less expensive towns.</i><p>There was a hip university neighborhood used bookstore here, and even 20+ years ago they were also selling online.<p>Their online inventory included a large amount of stock in a warehouse nearby that wasn&#x27;t accessible to brick&amp;mortar shoppers.<p>Software automated the online listings and price adjusting.<p>&gt; <i>[...] contemporary book trade and book-collecting directories [...] there were 523 second-hand bookshops in the UK in 1955 [...] and 1,140 in 2014. There are 1,282 now, in April 2025.</i><p>Anyone know whether these all have a walk-in retail presence, appointment-only (like for rare books), or are a lot of those online-only sellers?
benoauabout 1 month ago
Anecdotal but I haven&#x27;t seen a 2nd-hand bookshop in years however those little &quot;tiny libraries&quot; where people just donate their books are in abundance. What I&#x27;ve seen other used-item shops are doing these days is checking online what things are worth and selling them for very slightly less and it seems like this has to be a death-knell for secondhand stores in general.<p>And I know they have to do this, everything donated has to be checked to ensure safety and cleanliness, it costs them money to keep the shop open and staffed. But if you can&#x27;t actually save money by buying secondhand goods there then why would anyone shop there?! It&#x27;s a 10 - 20 percent discount on goods that may be years old when Amazon rotates these discounts through new goods 24&#x2F;7.
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asciimovabout 1 month ago
In my area, charity shops have terrible selections tons of fad diet books from the 80s and 90s and religious related texts.
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detourdogabout 1 month ago
My experience is that if one collects books they want as many stores as possible as close together as possible.<p>NYC in the 1990’s used to have a few neighborhoods full of bookstores. My favorite was just around 16th street in between 6th and Broadway.
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fidotronabout 1 month ago
There&#x27;s a subtext to this post that may not be obvious to non British people: UK High Streets (Main Streets) have in the last 20 years experienced an incredible explosion of charity shops (thrift stores) including many locations specific to books.<p>Quite why this has occurred is a subject of occasional argument, but I&#x27;ve never heard a definitive theory on it, and it partly overlaps with the general decline motivated by ecommerce. They do compete on some level with existing businesses, as debated here, but the more curious impact is they completely alter the character of an area.<p>Ten years ago they used to be fantastic for obscure finds because it seemed people had not caught on, but these days they tend to be subpar, which is probably a major edge the non charitable enterprises have exploited.
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kayo_20211030about 1 month ago
What&#x27;s the fundamental difference? They&#x27;re stores with old books; someone makes a few cents. I honestly don&#x27;t understand the question.
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charlie-83about 1 month ago
Interesting analysis. I&#x27;m somewhat confused by why anyone would think charity bookshops replacing secondhand bookshops would be a bad thing (if that were to actually be happening as the article suggests there isn&#x27;t much evidence of this). Surely, to the shopper, they are exactly the same except one helps a charitable cause as a bonus.
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DadBaseabout 1 month ago
They shelve by author; we shelve by likelihood the book causes déjà vu.
shadowgovtabout 1 month ago
Possibly, but gosh would it be hard for me to care.<p>In unrelated news, access to a pure, unfiltered spring drives out local bottled-water sellers.<p>We are in an era where even manufacturing physical copies of books is incredibly cheap. I&#x27;m not going to stress about charity bookshops disrupting scarcity in that ecosystem any more than I&#x27;m going to worry about libraries or the Internet doing so.
stevageabout 1 month ago
Interesting. I&#x27;m in Australia where I would also say that the number of second hand bookshops has greatly decreased in the last 20 years. New bookshops too for that matter. But I&#x27;m curious whether I&#x27;d also be wrong.<p>We don&#x27;t, afaik, have charity run bookshops, though. Lots of op shops, and they all sell books, but not exclusively.
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xhevahirabout 1 month ago
I get almost all of my books from charity thrift stores and Friends of the Library shelves. If you read widely you generally can find something interesting for a dollar or so. I almost never go to a bookstore looking for something specific, though.
cafardabout 1 month ago
Not in my experience. I have a few feet of books that I bought at Carpe Librum in Washington, DC. But the odds one one finding something there are lower than at Second Story Books or Lost City Books, the two nearest used book stores.
AStonesThrowabout 1 month ago
Aren&#x27;t brick-and-mortar bookshops, generally speaking, as viable as Apatosaurus today?<p>Lately if I really must put hands on dead trees, the shelves of library sales, churches, and ordinary thrift stores are overflowing.<p>Also — secondhand books are generally outdated, undesirable, and&#x2F;or damaged — do collectors still find diamonds in the rough?<p>No reason to waste real estate on any sort of dedicated seller. Goodness gracious.
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FridayoLearyabout 1 month ago
shout out to haye on wye in wales where almost all the shops are second hand bookstores. that being said i bought no books there while i have bought a dozen or so from charity shops, the main reason being the price is so low they are basically being given away.
protocoltureabout 1 month ago
Just checked, I like to visit &quot;Elizabeths&quot; when I go to sydney, they have a nice cosy store and a great selection.<p>They apparently have a website, and 2 other stores. I had no idea.<p>Certainly doesn&#x27;t appear to be a business in decline.<p>And considering that being a bookshop in Sydney they compete with some absolute giants I am quite impressed tbh.
trod1234about 1 month ago
The article primarily draws on the fact that the number of bookshops hasn&#x27;t driven other second-hand bookshops out of business because the number of bookshops has grown over the measured number of years.<p>The reasoning it follows and suggested is quite dubious.<p>A bookshop is a business. Any business naturally has a loss function in the form of constraints, after which point it necessarily must go out of business and close. That loss function also determines how many people can be served by that bookstore insofar as the revenue earned goes to capital reserves and operations.<p>The second-hand bookstores have remained almost constant over decades, while population growth and the number of people being served has grown dramatically.<p>The charity bookshops involved have special tax status, they receive free stock, they get to choose which stock they receive goes to the paper mill or gets resold, and they can continue as long as their charity can continue.<p>While they must keep accounting records, those records need not be public, and may involve donations that may further subsidize destructive behaviors without the public&#x27;s knowledge. They need not make a profit, whereas all other non-charity bookstores must make sufficient profit.<p>No business that has natural constraints can compete with an unconstrained entity in the same market. The money printer without constraint will always win, suborn, and drive out other businesses that do not have the same constraints.<p>It is just a matter of time and economic circumstance, and by the time anyone notices its too late.<p>There is also the possibility that many of the secondhand shops may also be propped up through loans, despite the ever tightening dynamic of ponzi that must be paid back (as it works for all debt in general).<p>There is great harm that state propped apparatus can do to business and the market in general, as well as to society. Rather than being open about it, these things have been happening in the shadows and that&#x27;s something that needs to be revisited. If there is not a comparable loss constraint, the accounting records should be public to safeguard cultural history, and hold to account malefactors.<p>When the state wants objectionable material out of the general population&#x27;s hands it just silently removes it from a pipeline they created, having learned from history, more specifically Hitler that burning books in public isn&#x27;t a good thing.<p>Goodwill follows this practice of removing objectionable material from its pipeline in the US, and library budgets in many places are dictated by how often the book is circulated. Low circulated classics that are objectionable according to some undisclosed person, may just disappear once the library donates the low circulation books to the charity, that then removes that content without fanfare before it ever hits a shelf.<p>Ever wonder why many books from the 80s or earlier are often quite uncommon? Yes they are old, but the circulation was massive for a lot of these, and what&#x27;s available now doesn&#x27;t account for the natural difference of time, especially considering many of the books received from libraries were rebound to library bindings.<p>Food for thought.