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In Two Moves, AlphaGo and Lee Sedol Redefined the Future (2016)

34 pointsby neamarabout 1 month ago

8 comments

redbell29 days ago
I consider <i>AlphaGo - The Movie</i> [1] to be a timeless classic that will never feel outdated. In my opinion, it surpasses even Hollywood productions, despite being based on true events and filmed live with real people. I&#x27;m ranking it as #2, though, because I still believe Steve Jobs&#x27; 2007 iPhone presentation [2] is the greatest live tech event ever captured on film. Hearing the crowd screaming when seeing some tricks and techniques ( eg. <i>slide to unlock</i>, <i>pinch to zoom</i> and <i>scrolling up</i>) on how to use the phone does really triggers some haptic feedback in my heart because we are now so used to these tricks that were pure magic back then.<p>______________________________<p>1.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y</a><p>2.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=VQKMoT-6XSg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=VQKMoT-6XSg</a>
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canistel29 days ago
Well, Bridge remains unconquered, although it is unclear whether it is because of disinterest or incapability. As I have highlighted before, the day a computer false-cards will be the day. (False-carding - playing a certain card with the primary intention of deceiving the opponents and forcing an error)
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bondarchuk29 days ago
Would be nice if they could.. you know.. show the moves they&#x27;re talking about.
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Xcelerate29 days ago
There are a lot of parallels between rule-based games like Go and rule-based formal systems like ZFC. It’s interesting that the same techniques used for AlphaGo have <i>not</i> worked nearly as well for finding proofs of famous open problems that we suspect are both 1) decidable within ZFC and 2) have a “reasonable” minimal proof length.<p>What aspect of efficiently exploring the combinatorial explosion in possibilities of iterated rule-based systems is the human brain still currently doing much better than machines?
brilee29 days ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.moderndescartes.com&#x2F;essays&#x2F;gnugo_to_agz&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.moderndescartes.com&#x2F;essays&#x2F;gnugo_to_agz&#x2F;</a><p>I happen to have recently written up a longer history of Go AI. If you&#x27;re wondering about what is special about Go in particular or what generalizes to other problems, give it a read.
russellbeattie29 days ago
Coincidentally, I just watched the hour long documentary that DeepMind made about the match [1]. It talks a lot about the two moves - though not really in detail.<p>To a non-go player like myself, both moves 37 and 78 seemed completely arbitrary. I mean, much of the video talks about how it&#x27;s impossible to calculate all the future moves like in chess, yet move 37 of a possible ~300 move game is called out as genius, and move 78 is a God Hand.<p>For the layman like myself, it seemed a bit inconsistent.<p>The thing that made me smile was how history repeated itself. Sedol predicted a 5-0 win against the program. Kasparov was pretty cocky as well in the 1990s. You&#x27;d think someone would have warned him! &quot;Hey Sedol. Cool your jets, these guys wouldn&#x27;t be spending so much money just to embarrass themselves.&quot;<p>DeepMind was definitely way more polite than IBM, so that was good to see. The Deep Blue team were sorta jerks to Gary.<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y</a>
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sevg29 days ago
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bpodgursky29 days ago
Interesting that Lee Sedol losing at Go was the big opening act in the modern AI wave, but it ended up coming from a completely different technology that has effectively faded into the background.
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