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“Most promising signs yet” of alien life on a planet beyond our Solar System

417 pointsby fuidaniabout 1 month ago

36 comments

webererabout 1 month ago
Here&#x27;s the primary source<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iopscience.iop.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.3847&#x2F;2041-8213&#x2F;adc1c8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iopscience.iop.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.3847&#x2F;2041-8213&#x2F;adc1c8</a><p>They possibly detected dimethyl sulfide, which is only known to be produced by living organisms.
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seanhunterabout 1 month ago
Firstly that is completely badass science. The idea that you can use observations to detect the chemical composition of an exoplanet millions of kilometres away is an absolute triumph of the work of thousands of people over hundreds of years. Really amazing and deeply humbling to me.<p>Secondly, my prior was always that life existed outside of earth. It just seems so unlikely that we are somehow <i>that</i> special. If life developed here I always felt it overwhelmingly likely that it developed elsewhere too given how incredibly unfathomably vast the universe is.
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davedxabout 1 month ago
Some speculation<p>On DMS:<p>- DMS is a very specific configuration that’s rarely the endpoint of non-living chemical cycles.<p>- The simplicity of DMS doesn’t make it less indicative of life—it actually makes it a very selective molecule, which only shows up in large quantities when life is involved (at least in Earth-like chemistry).<p>- Until we find a compelling abiotic pathway, high DMS remains a strong biosignature, especially in the context of a planet with a potential ocean and mild temperatures<p>Possible origins:<p>We’re looking at some form of life that can:<p>- Thrive in a hydrogen-rich atmosphere<p>- Possibly live in or on top of a global ocean<p>- Generate large amounts of DMS—potentially thousands of times more than Earth<p>The closest Earth analogy is:<p>- Marine phytoplankton, particularly species like Emiliania huxleyi, produce DMS as a byproduct of breaking down DMSP, a molecule they use to regulate osmotic pressure and protect against oxidative stress.<p>- If something similar is happening on K2-18 b, we’d be talking about an ocean teeming with such microbes—perhaps far denser than Earth’s oceans.<p>Possibly &quot;Giant photosynthetic mats&quot; or sulfuric &quot;algae&quot;<p>If there’s some landmass or floating structures, maybe the DMS producers are:<p>- Photosynthetic, sulfur-metabolizing analogues to cyanobacteria<p>- Living in dense floating colonies or mats like microbial reefs<p>- Using dimethylated sulfur compounds in their metabolism, and leaking DMS as waste or signaling molecules<p>===========<p>Of course there have been lots of ocean planets in sci-fi literature, but I&#x27;m most reminded of the &quot;Pattern Juggler&quot; Planet Ararat from Alastair Reynolds&#x27; &quot;Revelation Space&quot; series.<p>This is incredibly exciting news!
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sphabout 1 month ago
A bit clickbaity of OP to skip the operative word ‘promising’ signs of life.
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londons_exploreabout 1 month ago
This is happening 124 light years away from earth.<p>That means if we develop a way to make a space ship accelerate at 1g for a long period of time, you could go there in just 10 relativistic years.<p>Unfortunately, whilst science allows such a rocket, our engineering skills are far from being able to build one.
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eeccabout 1 month ago
JSWT... again the most formidable piece of equipment ever shot into outer space. That think is going to shake our understanding of the Universe to its foundations a couple times around
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ykabout 1 month ago
Last time bio signatures where found (I believe on Venus), there was a flurry of papers on arXiv a week later, which all explained the signature by abiotic processes. Of course, if you have more than one explanation, then you really don&#x27;t have one explanation. So I fully expect the same thing to happen here, and perhaps sometime in a decade or so follow up observations will have ruled out all but one explanation, until then exciting but ultimately it&#x27;s not over before the fat lady sings.
Xiol32about 1 month ago
Editorialized headline. Article is:<p>&gt; Astronomers have found the &#x27;most promising signs yet&#x27; of alien life on a planet beyond our Solar System
skcabout 1 month ago
Every once in a while for a good chuckle I visit r&#x2F;UFOs or r&#x2F;aliens where people go gaga over blurry videos of balloons in the sky.<p>I&#x27;ve never understood how that stuff seems to capture the imagination more than actual science like this.
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belterabout 1 month ago
This is a terrible title. The original title was: &quot;Astronomers have found the &#x27;most promising signs yet&#x27; of alien life on a planet beyond our Solar System&quot;<p>&quot;Astronomers have found signs of alien life on a planet beyond our Solar System&quot; means something completely different. Please @dang update or this looks like the Daily Mail.<p>It&#x27;s an example of scientists acting irresponsibly. They <i>might</i> have found dimethyl sulfide but it can be produced abiotically.<p>Dimethyl sulfide (CH3SCH3, DMS) signatures were found in comet 67P&#x2F;Churyumov-Gerasimenko and that is for sure not Times Square on Saturday night...: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;astrobiology.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;02&#x2F;on-the-abiotic-origin-of-dimethyl-sulfide-discovery-of-dms-in-the-interstellar-medium.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;astrobiology.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;02&#x2F;on-the-abiotic-origin-of-di...</a><p>The planet looks more like a Neptune or Uranus than Earth type. They need to find multiple examples of different types of biomarkers, before contacting the press as they obviously did.<p>&quot;Evidence for Abiotic Dimethyl Sulfide in Cometary Matter&quot; - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2410.08724" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2410.08724</a><p>&quot;On the abiotic origin of dimethyl sulfide: discovery of DMS in the Interstellar Medium&quot; - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2501.08892" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2501.08892</a><p>Edit: I see title is now updated.
southernplaces7about 1 month ago
It would be somewhat worrisome to actually find signs of primitive extraterrestrial life because of the Fermi Paradox. Given the age of the universe, and how long it took both complex life to develop on earth and for a creature such as us to emerge from that, finding life elsewhere would beg a return to Fermi&#x27;s question of &quot;Where is everyone?&quot; implying that something comes along and causes evolving civilizations to be exterminated before they ever show signs to their presence to the wider galaxy.<p>If life, even of a very primitive sort, were found, it would stand to reason that it had done so in the past and that other civilizations, possibly even many of them, had formed in our huge galaxy long ago, giving them time to develop enough to be detectable even to us, so then, where are they?<p>Then again of course, there are probably many, many known unknowns and unknown unknowns lurking amidst all of the above supposition.
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cdplayer96about 1 month ago
Here&#x27;s to hoping we can learn more about this. But I feel like this could be caused by us simply not understanding how dimethyl sulfide can be formed on other planets, especially ones over 100 lightyears away..
wolframhempelabout 1 month ago
Maybe we need to widen our search for life. Earth is a planet with about 15 degree average temperature and abundant water and oxygen. So that&#x27;s what live here consumes and where it thrives. But life is all about adaptation. So, father than looking for planets with similar temperatures and resources, shouldn&#x27;t we be looking for other possible foundations for life? Maybe there&#x27;s a thriving civilization out there, living happily at 300 degrees, breathing neon and eating sulfur?
tsoukaseabout 1 month ago
Unfortunately we cannot answer fundamental questions about ET life. Like, how long an advanced civilization lasts, which is capable of manipulating radio signals. Because we can since the last 100 years and we don&#x27;t know how long we will be able.<p>If that time is a few hundred years, then very few happen to be functioning _now_ (in relativistic meaning) and very far away to have meaningful contact.
rotisabout 1 month ago
Atmosphere of this exoplaned is rich in hydrogen. Also it has likely different atmospheric pressure than we have on Earth. Doubtful there is any life form as we know it. I suspect best we can expect there is something like a primordial soup: a mix of relatively simple organic compounds.
Phelinofistabout 1 month ago
Aren&#x27;t we looking into the past when looking at things this far away? So, just assuming here, that these are indeed signs of life, would that mean that &quot;they&quot; might have been primitive when these signatures were sent out into space and are now further developed?
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tomeldersabout 1 month ago
My understanding is that the great filter theory means this is bad news for us humans here on earth. And considering the state of the world right now, it&#x27;s especially ominous. Fate loves irony.
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VP2262about 1 month ago
K2-18 is a red dwarf. These stars often emit powerful flares that can &quot;sterilise&quot; lifeforms on nearby planets. Maybe microbial forms can protect themselves though?
jmyeetabout 1 month ago
Earlier discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43711376">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43711376</a>
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tjpnzabout 1 month ago
How far off are we from being able to image an exoplanet?
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pandemic_regionabout 1 month ago
Signs of alien life existing at least 124 years ago? Or are these types of observations exempt from the distance delay?
croemerabout 1 month ago
The ads on that website are horrible, constantly shifting the text as they load. Don&#x27;t recommend clicking on it.
whiplash451about 1 month ago
Time to (re)read &quot;Where is everybody?&quot; [1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;180506.If_the_Universe_Is_Teeming_with_Aliens_WHERE_IS_EVERYBODY_" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;180506.If_the_Universe_I...</a>
mediumsmartabout 1 month ago
Most signs promise that life is to become alien on our planet.
wg0about 1 month ago
So 355% tariff then? Say what?
mtlmtlmtlmtlabout 1 month ago
This is very exciting. It&#x27;s certainly approaching the best evidence we could possibly hope for from an exoplanet given current technology.<p>Of course, the weak link here is the assumption that these bio-markers can&#x27;t be produced abiotically, which is a pretty big assumption. Our understanding of planetary science is still in its infancy. This is (thought to be) a hycean planet, a type of planet unknown to us until very recently(post-JWST, I believe?). And given that the solar system has no hycean planets, it&#x27;s a class of planets which is fundamentally poorly studied, with pretty limited access to data. We can make models, and we can get some spectral data on the contents of their gaseous atmospheres. But we have no way of looking at their surface oceans. Thinking about what kind of chemistry might be going on there is mostly just an act of speculative modelling.<p>So the interesting question is, without new sources of data, can we determine whether these bio-markers are biological in origin? Not really. Not without a much better understanding of planetary science in general and hycean worlds in particular(of course, that&#x27;s what this research is trying to do, and making progress at). As well as a deeper understanding of abiogenesis. I could imagine a working understanding of abiogenesis at least being able to eliminate some candidate planets, but even that assumes only one type of abiogenesis is possible, which is more or less unfounded. That is, unless the understanding includes some deep information theoretic&#x2F;evolutionary perspective on abiogenesis which would probably have to include a completely unambiguous information theoretic and physical definition of what life even is. It is conceivable that such an understanding might provide very strong restrictions on what kinds of chemical systems are capable of abiogenesis, and that those restrictions could then be used to eliminate certain planets or even entire star systems from contention. And if these hycean worlds were eliminated that way, we&#x27;d know there must be some abiotic source of these &quot;biomarkers&quot;, and knowing that, we would likely be able to figure out what it is. But ok, that&#x27;s a lot of assumptions.<p>Maybe we get lucky, and some chemists stumble on a non-biotic chemical system that can produce these chmicals in concentrations that can be detected by JWST at a distance of hundreds of light years. Or, conversely, maybe chemists somehow manage to prove conclusively that biotic origin is the only possible source. I&#x27;m not a chemist or a microbiologist, so I have no idea what that would look like. It&#x27;s probably well beyond our current understanding.<p>I guess what I&#x27;m rantingly saying is, while this result changes my credence that there&#x27;s life on this planet about as much as is possible with current science and technology, it still barely changes it at all. Before it was maybe 0.5 + ε(habitable zone, liquid water), and it is now 0.5 + 2ε.<p>I guess something which could move the needle much more significantly, is if we found a large number(say 10) of chemically unrelated potential bio-markers in the atmosphere of a planet very similar to earth, in a very similar star system. Then, the assumption of the impossibility of abiotic sources would be much more plausible. I believe doing this type of research for earth-sized exoplanets with JWST is still quite borderline(please correct me if I&#x27;m wrong).<p>Having said all that, this result is still extremely exciting. For the first time, the field of exobiology has any contact with observational data from outside our solar system at all(besides mere astronomical data), and things will only improve from here. Future telescopes will be better at this type of observation, and our understanding of planetary science is evolving at an accelerating pace. I&#x27;m very excited to see where this research goes in the future.
Iwan-Zotowabout 1 month ago
Molecule of beer, mmm...
phtrivierabout 1 month ago
&quot;Science, turning existential questions like &#x27;Are we alone in the Universe ?&#x27; into &#x27;Did something just fart over there ?&#x27; since 500 years&quot;.
MrPapzabout 1 month ago
Maybe now we can stop this nonsense of competing among each other and start dedicating efforts to an international space program.
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GenshoTikamuraabout 1 month ago
That literally smells fishy
ZiiSabout 1 month ago
Astronomers have yet again found possible signs of alien life.
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throwaway290about 1 month ago
TL;DR<p>- K2-18b<p>- detected dimethyl sulfide and dimethyl disulfide, false positive possibility is now very low<p>- &quot;produced by marine-dwelling organisms on Earth&quot;, possibility they were produced by other processes (unrelated to life as we know it) not high but maybe unknown unknowns<p>- other factors like distance from the star are in favor of life &amp; water<p>- previous studies detected methane and carbon dioxide
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milesroutabout 1 month ago
Is there a source for this that isn&#x27;t plastered with banner ads? I can&#x27;t read more than a sentence at a time without having to scroll past adverts.<p>I do wonder why I was stupid enough to pay for a phone with a bigger screen as it just seems to mean more and bigger ads on screen at once and the same amount of content.
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emorning3about 1 month ago
Oh please, it&#x27;s a detection of dimethyl sulfide on a planet far far away whose natural chemistry we don&#x27;t understand.<p>Morons, I&#x27;m surrounded by morons.
andreygrehovabout 1 month ago
Let’s assume there is alien life on many planets beyond our solar system. Now what? What’s the practical benefit?
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GistNoesisabout 1 month ago
124 light years seems quite close, it seems to be some sort phytoplankton for now, what can we send there quickly to eradicate them before they become a problem. How much mass of galactic &quot;roundup&quot; should we send ? Do we have the technology yet for planet-scale sanitizing ? Can we pulse some high energy particles at roughly the speed of light and aim it at them ? Do we know if they have some magnetic field protection like earth does ?