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I passionately hate hype, especially the AI hype

182 pointsby smartmic26 days ago

38 comments

sqs26 days ago
What a shallow, negative post. &quot;Hype&quot; is tautologically bad. Being negative and &quot;above the hype&quot; makes you sound smart, but this post adds nothing to the discussion and is just as fuzzy as the hype it criticizes.<p>&gt; It is a real shame that some of the most beneficial tools ever invented, such as computers, modern databases, data centers, etc. exist in an industry that has become so obsessed with hype and trends that it resembles the fashion industry.<p>Would not the author have claimed at the time that those technologies were also &quot;hype&quot;? What consistent principle does the author use (a priori) to separate &quot;useful facts&quot; from &quot;hype&quot;?<p>Or, if the author would have considered those over-hyped at the time, then they should have some humility because in 10 years they may look back at AI as another one of the &quot;most beneficial tools ever invented&quot;.<p>&gt; In technology, AI is currently the new big hype. ... 10% of the AI hype is based on useful facts<p>The author ascribes malice to people who disagree with them about the use of AI. The author says proponents of AI are &quot;greedy&quot;, &quot;careless&quot;, unskilled, inexperienced, and unproductive. How does the author know that these people don&#x27;t believe that AI has great utility and potential?<p>Don&#x27;t waste your time on this article. I wish I hadn&#x27;t. Go build something, or at least make thoughtful, well defined critiques of the world.
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cafed00d26 days ago
To me, AI hype seems to be the most tangible&#x2F;real hype in a decade.<p>Ever since mobile &amp; cloud era at their peaks in 2012 or 2014, we’ve had Crypto, AR, VR, and now AI.<p>I have some pocket change bitcoin, ethereum, played around for 2 minutes on my dust-gathering Oculus &amp; Vision Pro; but man, oh man! Am I hooked to ChatGpt or what!<p>It’s truly remarkably useful!<p>You just can’t get this type of thing in one click before.<p>For example, here’s my latest engineering productivity boosting query: “when using a cfg file on the cmd line what does &quot;@&quot; as a prefix do?”
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asdfman12326 days ago
There&#x27;s three types of people w.r.t hype: smart people who resist hype, smart people who want to profit off of it, and dumb people who like it.<p>The first type of person already agrees with you. The second type knows but doesn&#x27;t care. The third isn&#x27;t going to read this article.
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wewewedxfgdf26 days ago
A winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, Paul Krugman wrote in 1998, “The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in ‘Metcalfe’s law’—which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants—becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s.”<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.laphamsquarterly.org&#x2F;revolutions&#x2F;miscellany&#x2F;paul-krugmans-poor-prediction" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.laphamsquarterly.org&#x2F;revolutions&#x2F;miscellany&#x2F;paul...</a>
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wewewedxfgdf26 days ago
Sure there&#x27;s plenty of hype. But its justified to some extent at least. LLMs are one of the biggest advances in technology in human history. In computing the big ones are:<p>* creation of computers<p>* personal computers<p>* the Internet and world wide web<p>* LLMs<p>So the hype is at some level entirely warranted - its a revolutionary technology with real impact. As opposed to for example the hype around crypto or NFTs or blockchain or garbage like that.
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angarg1226 days ago
&gt; In technology, AI is currently the new big hype. Before AI, it was &quot;The Cloud&quot;, which unfortunately has still not settled, but are now also being interwoven with AI.<p>Cloud computing is a multi-billion dollar industry and it underpins many of the largest internet companies out there. I fail to see how that&#x27;s hype.
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egypturnash26 days ago
&gt; In technology, AI is currently the new big hype. Before AI, it was &quot;The Cloud&quot;, which unfortunately has still not settled, but are now also being interwoven with AI.<p>I envy being able to write a statement like this without mentioning The Blockchain.
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kylecazar26 days ago
I typically disagree with the practice of hating things just because they are trending, this is the stuff hipsters are made of.<p>But, there is a such thing as negative hype. A seller of AI models telling the world he&#x27;s not hiring engineers anymore (and they too can cut their workforce) because his models are that good would be negative hype.
mberning26 days ago
I worked for a very large industrial some years ago. Our leaders were so ate up with the VR hype that they greenlit a VR training experience for field technicians wherein the technician would wear a VR headset and then use a virtual iPad to diagnose some of our heavy equipment. Someone asked why they couldn’t just use an iPad IRL to learn. There was no rational justification.<p>Shortly after that web 3.0 took off and I started to hear that we were going to use blockchain to track the maintenance of our heavy equipment.<p>Now they won’t shut up about AI.
Animats26 days ago
It&#x27;s not as bad as battery hype.<p>Remember all those articles about some minor advance in surface chemistry which was then hyped into Trillion Dollar Industry Real Soon Now? They usually appeared in one of Nature&#x27;s off-brand journals, or just arxiv, not in Chemical Engineering News or IEEE Trans. on Power Engineering. Such articles usually lacked the usual performance numbers (Wh&#x2F;L, Wh&#x2F;Kg, and Wh&#x2F;$).<p>Then there&#x27;s Javascript framework hype, which makes everyone run very hard to stay in the same place.<p>AI is at least making rapid progress. It&#x27;s been less than three years since ChatGPT came out. Having lived and worked through the &quot;AI Winter&quot; (1984-2005), this is an improvement. The main problem now remains &quot;hallucinations&quot;, or worse, &quot;agentic&quot; systems which act on hallucinations.
sethops126 days ago
I&#x27;ve learned to treat AI hype the same way I think about sports. Just ignore it. Sure I can name the popular models of the day in the same way I can name the Dallas Cowboys, but none of it matters and none of it affects me.
sreekanth85026 days ago
&gt;Nobody wants to talk to an AI when they need support. We all HATE that! It is bad enough that when you need service and support you end up talking to someone on the other side of the planet who&#x27;s using some kind of answer sheet with absolutely no clue on how to really help you. This is true from my personal experience. Had switched my fiber provider because, with my previous provider, i was never able to talk to a human.
kevinherron26 days ago
They should have let an AI check their spelling and grammar, maybe they wouldn’t have used “loose” instead of “lose” multiple times.
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babyent26 days ago
Kind of a bad article (IMO) when it sideswipes cloud computing.<p>The &quot;cloud&quot; was actually useful, and helped to scale so many companies that could bring their products to millions of people quickly and without too many issues, and with good reliability.<p>Blockchain, hyper enabled gambling, cryptocurrency, and jamming &quot;AI&quot; into everything are bad though.
serverlessmania26 days ago
“AI is misleading, there’s no actual intelligence.”<p>Oh wow, you figured out “Artificial Intelligence” isn’t literal. You should tell the rest of the planet. Maybe we should rename it “Statistical Pattern Prediction Machines That Are Better at Your Job Than You Are.” It’s a mouthful, but more honest.
sandspar26 days ago
You can measure hype by how many people are talking about an idea space. Write an article about &quot;X hype is bad&quot; and yup, you&#x27;re talking about the idea space i.e. you&#x27;re participating in the hype.
dsr_26 days ago
hype is short for hyperbole, and if there is any hyperbole more excessive than claiming that LLMs are vaguely equivalent to people by calling them &quot;AI&quot;, it would have to be a claim of godhood or similar.
nativeit24 days ago
There are a lot of IQ points in this comment section being dedicated to debating the semantics of the word “hype” rather than engaging with the substance of what the article discusses.
mac-attack26 days ago
As a Linux user, I do think there&#x27;s a bit of an echo chamber which leads to groupthink such as this article. And it&#x27;s ironic because a lot of the underpinnings of AI use Linux as their underpinning.
DavidPiper26 days ago
I tend to agree with the author, but I think the real problem with hype is the opportunity cost. Somewhere along the way we bought into this idea that &quot;the promise of X&quot; is worth more than &quot;the reality of X&quot;.<p>The longer the hype goes on - which is to say the longer it takes to demonstrate the hype is actually reality - the more people become more heavily invested in it.<p>If the hype never materialises, you basically build a larger and larger black swan when the crash arrives. The people who win are the few who got out early enough, and everyone else who ignored the hype.<p>If the hype does eventuate, the number of people you&#x27;re now competing with in a new market is proportional to the length of time it took to eventuate, because for all those people that were onboard, some of them would enter the space in competition, not just as consumers. Again, the only outsized winners are those who got out early enough. The rest are now just working BAU. Like everyone else who ignored the hype.<p>In both cases, you&#x27;re just as good or better off ignoring the hype because the chances of you winning big are tiny (unless you&#x27;re a billionaire, but in that case you were already winning anyway).
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neom26 days ago
find the only 10% is real part interesting. I&#x27;m starting to note two distinct camps emerge I think? Transformer architectures are just search (&#x2F;bad search) vs they are the first commercial grade compression of language into real vectors. The trap I think is it&#x27;s somewhat subtle in how they discuss things?
serverlessmania26 days ago
&quot;Less competent employees are often the ones promoting AI.&quot;<p>I don&#x27;t understand how this post is HN front page…
myko26 days ago
I&#x27;ll be hyped for an AI that can do my dishes &#x2F; fold and put away laundry &#x2F; clean my tub
serverlessmania26 days ago
“Modern tech hype mirrors medieval charlatans.”<p>Ah, yes, the classic “this thing I don’t like is medieval alchemy” comparison. Because if you can’t refute the tools, just compare it to snake oil. It’s cute how this guy thinks he’s the only one who’s noticed not every AI startup is curing cancer. The tech world has always had grifters. That doesn’t mean the tools themselves are fake—it means some people are dumb and others are greedy, which is kind of how humanity works.
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adamnemecek26 days ago
How delightfully contrarian.
zhivota25 days ago
It&#x27;s kind of funny to me how impossible it is to distinguish hype that&#x27;s around an underlying technology that is going to really change things, and hype that is around an underlying technology that is not going to do anything.<p>I think many people today are super jaded because they lived through IoT, crypto (a hype train that had tons of idiotic permutations), metaverse, voice as the future of all computing, and maybe more I&#x27;m forgetting.<p>But don&#x27;t let those experiences jade you to the fact that we have lived through multiple actual huge disruptions: Internet, mobile phones, social media, battery tech, solar and wind becoming cheaper than fossil fuels, and more.<p>The fact is you just can&#x27;t tell which is which, but I can say this - I never found any use in IoT or crypto or metaverse crap. But I find a lot of use out of LLMs. At the very least they are going to be a useful tool for a lot of things in the future. Whether they go further is independent of hype.
dlivingston26 days ago
This strikes me as curmudgeonly and unnecessarily contrarian.<p>While it&#x27;s true that investors, entrepreneurs, corporations, etc. have a vested interest in AI to the tune of trillions of dollars, the impulse to dismiss this as 90% hype (as the author does) is insane.<p>We&#x27;re only three years into this, and we have:<p>- LLMs with grad student-level competency in <i>everything</i><p>- Multimodality with complex understanding of photography and technical documents<p>- Image generators that can generate high-quality photos, in any style, with just a text description<p>- Song generators that make pretty decent music and video generators that aren&#x27;t half bad<p>- Excellent developer tooling &amp; autocomplete; very competent code generation<p>This is still early and the foundations are still being laid. Imagine where we&#x27;ll be in 10 years, assuming even a linear growth rate in capabilities.<p>Think of what the internet is <i>today</i>, and its permanence in everything, and where it was just 30 years ago.<p>By all means, resist the hype - but don&#x27;t go so far in the other direction that your head is in the sand.
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singularity200125 days ago
I passively hate haters especially AI haters
hank80826 days ago
Post is from August of last year. 2024-08-21
xlinux26 days ago
I believed crypto was a scam and missed life time fortune and not goona believe what others say about AI. I&#x27;m all in on AI
potsandpans26 days ago
People who are so reactive and sensitive to &quot;hype&quot; and &quot;clickbait&quot; have something of a mental illness.
serverlessmania26 days ago
“Hype is harmful and deceptive.”<p>Congratulations on identifying marketing exists. What’s next? You gonna blow the whistle on toothpaste commercials? Of course hype is driven by profit. That’s literally the point of business. But you know what else was hyped once? The internet. And electricity. And antibiotics. Being annoyed that people are excited about tech is not a worldview—it&#x27;s a vibe. A really boring one.
erelong26 days ago
find the good, avoid the bad<p>anti-hype hype
budududuroiu26 days ago
The reason for this AI hype is how bullshit Western economies have become. I write an AI email which you summarise and we can both be happy that we contributed to the GDP through spending tokens.<p>In the meantime, nothing tangible has been produced. We’re just hyping ourselves over selling snake oil faster.
alganet26 days ago
Rather, let&#x27;s look for things in tech that never hyped but are very useful.<p>If hype is bad, then there must be something good, and unhyped to such high proportions. Something unhypable.<p>Otherwise it&#x27;s all crap, isn&#x27;t it? It can&#x27;t be like that.
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resters26 days ago
Bookmark this for a good laugh in a few few years.
alehlopeh26 days ago
It just wouldn’t be a solid rant against Big Tech hype cycles like AI and spellcheckers without using the word sheeple.
stego-tech26 days ago
The amount of AI boosters and defenders wading in here to bash anyone with a less-than-glowing perspective of the technology is...<i>disappointing</i>. If the technology is truly as revolutionary as you proclaim it to be, then <i>why are you here defending it instead of changing the world with it, as you claim it can?</i> Stop trying to convince detractors with empty arguments, and <i>show us the actual results you claim to have.</i><p>&gt; Hype is always bad.<p>As someone who actually has to <i>implement</i> stuff and support it thereafter, rather than just bolt it onto my resume and ride the hypetrain to equityville, I wholeheartedly agree with OP&#x27;s core message here. After web2.0 devolved into walled gardens, closed APIs, and gargantuan surveillance apparatuses designed to serve advertisements in a more precise way than <i>actual cruise missiles</i>, I became soured on the very field I am also fiercely passionate about (IT).<p>The modern technology field is <i>exclusively</i> hype-oriented. There&#x27;s something new every year you simply <i>must</i> adopt and become an expert in, or you&#x27;ll lose your job. The ROI is irrelevant (namely because it rarely exists for most organizations in the early adopter phase, if ever), the functionality is irrelevant, the use case is <i>especially</i> irrelevant. It&#x27;s &quot;new&quot;, it&#x27;s shiny, and you simply <i>must</i> have it to be a &quot;modern&quot; business.<p>Hype is meant to be a direct replacement for objectivity. It warps math and statistics to justify its necessity (like those cloud migration calculators every vendor likes to point to, in order to justify a wholesale migration off your present estate), the salesfolk strong-arm your leadership into adoption regardless of the advice of their internal architects and engineers, and C-Suites can recite dozens of brands in the Gartner &quot;Leader&quot; quadrant for any given technology while simultaneously having <i>no clue</i> what that technology actually <i>does</i> or is used for. <i>It&#x27;s all hype.</i><p>And an economy built on the hype-cycle has very real, immediate consequences for the average person. It raises energy rates (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usatoday.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;business&#x2F;energy-resource&#x2F;2025&#x2F;04&#x2F;14&#x2F;will-ai-raise-my-power-bill-what-to-know&#x2F;83083361007&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usatoday.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;business&#x2F;energy-resource&#x2F;2025...</a>) and takes water from communities not provisioned for such large scale industrial use (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.11alive.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;news&#x2F;investigations&#x2F;11alive-news-investigates&#x2F;data-center-boom-georgia-water-resources&#x2F;85-01dc6838-72e2-4043-8724-783cabc93664" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.11alive.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;news&#x2F;investigations&#x2F;11alive-...</a>), both of which harm locals while the companies skirt by without paying for their fair share of consumption (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eelp.law.harvard.edu&#x2F;extracting-profits-from-the-public-how-utility-ratepayers-are-paying-for-big-techs-power&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eelp.law.harvard.edu&#x2F;extracting-profits-from-the-pub...</a>). That doesn&#x27;t even get into the grifts involved with IP, copyright, or elimination of well-paying jobs (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;green.spacedino.net&#x2F;the-final-grift&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;green.spacedino.net&#x2F;the-final-grift&#x2F;</a>), or the boom-bust cycles that often saddle consumers and taxpayers with the steep losses (both monetary and jobs) incurred once the early investors have sailed off into the sunset with their cartoonishly-large sacks of money and a new superyacht to show for their efforts.<p>The most immediate and pressing concern for the AI hype is the squandering of finite resources (fresh water, land, and energy chief among them) to train and operate these models on a <i>highly speculative assumption</i> that <i>this</i> revolution in AI will finally be the one that brings humanity into the future, cures all disease, and enables us all to live a life of leisure (rather than just the <i>offensively</i> rich) while waiting for immortality to arrive so we can explore the cosmos. To make this po-faced argument in the face of the present climate disaster demonstrates a complete lack of basic situational awareness, undermining any sort of credibility they may have with anyone who can consider the interactions of two separate systems; we can <i>literally</i> only pursue AI or ameliorate climate change right now with our current capacities in energy, water, and rare earths, and of those two only the latter is actually, demonstrably solved and merely requires global implementation. It demonstrates a selfish mindset of self-preservation (your career in AI) over the protection and support of the whole, and it&#x27;s <i>all just hype</i>.<p>I&#x27;m not opposed to new technologies. Containers are a game changer, Kubernetes is improving its usability (in baby steps), composable infrastructure through code is a godsend, and the consumption-based models of public cloud providers have made hosting your own place on the internet cheaper than ever before. We&#x27;ve had some <i>great innovations</i> in these past ten years, almost all of which have been completely overshadowed by the perpetual hype train around get-rich investment schemes (crypto, blockchain, NFTs, AI). <i>The hype is the problem</i>, which is what the author was getting at.