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Beyond Elk: Lightweight and Scalable Cloud-Native Log Monitoring

25 pointsby xzhuang198418 days ago

9 comments

atombender18 days ago
How does Greptime handle dynamic schemas where you don&#x27;t know most of the shape of the data upfront?<p>Where I work, we have maybe a hundred different sources of structured logs: Our own applications, Kubernetes, databases, CI&#x2F;CD software, lots of system processes. There&#x27;s no common schema other than the basics (timestamp, message, source, Kubernetes metadata). Apps produce all sorts JSON fields, and we have thousands and thousands of fields across all these apps.<p>It&#x27;d be okay to define a small core subset, but we&#x27;d need a sensible &quot;catch all&quot; rule for the rest. All fields need to be searchable, but it&#x27;s of course OK if performance is a little worse for non-core fields, as long as you can go into the schema and explicitly add it in order to speed things up.<p>Also, how does Greptime scale with that many fields? Does it do fine with thousands of columns?<p>I imagine it would be a good idea to have one table per source. Is it easy&#x2F;performant to search multiple tables (union ordered by time) in a single query?
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qmarchi18 days ago
Am I the only one that got, &quot;This article smells like it was written by an AI told to &#x27;compare these two products&#x27;&quot;?<p>Something around the sentence structure just is offputting.
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firesteelrain18 days ago
Any reason to use this like in Azure over their cloud native options such as with AKS that has fluentd built into the ama-pod? It already sends logs to Azure Monitor&#x2F;LogA. Azure Managed Grafana can take in Kusto queries. AMA can monitor VMs. Further you can use DCE&#x2F;DCRs for custom logs. Azure provides Azure native ElasticSearch too. It seems to own this market.<p>You can predictably control costs and predict costs with these models.
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client418 days ago
For logs I&#x27;d be more likely to choose <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gravwell.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gravwell.io</a> as it&#x27;s log agnostic and I&#x27;ve seen it crush 40Tb&#x2F;s a day, whereas it looks like greptime is purpose-tuned for metrics and telemetry data.
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up2isomorphism17 days ago
This space is so crowded, I think any new startup is very unlikely to survive, unless it solves its own business case first.
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chreniuc18 days ago
How does it compare to openobserve?
atombender17 days ago
Reading the web site, I just noticed the open-source version does not have &quot;Log query endpoints&quot;.<p>Does that mean you have to use SQL (or the visual SQL builder) to query logs, and you don&#x27;t get access to a log query language the way Kibana gives you KQL and Lucene syntax?<p>If so, I think it&#x27;s a little disingenuous to write an article comparing the ELK stack, which <i>is</i> open source and comes with a perfectly usable query UI, to Greptime&#x27;s equivalent, which is not.
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reconnecting18 days ago
I&#x27;m always skeptical toward software companies with an outdated year in the footer.
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ByteBard197918 days ago
What scenario would I use best?