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A 1903 Proposal to Preserve the Dead in Glass Cubes

35 pointsby ohjeez15 days ago

12 comments

miniatureape13 days ago
Reminds me of the account of the macrobians by Herodotus:<p>&gt; and after this [the Persian spies] saw last of all their receptacles of dead bodies, which are said to be made of crystal in the following manner:—when they have dried the corpse, whether it be after the Egyptian fashion or in some other way, they cover it over completely with plaster 21 and then adorn it with painting, making the figure as far as possible like the living man. After this they put about it a block of crystal hollowed out; for this they dig up in great quantity and it is very easy to work: and the dead body being in the middle of the block is visible through it, but produces no unpleasant smell nor any other effect which is unseemly, and it has all its parts visible like the dead body itself.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Macrobians" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Macrobians</a>
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ChrisMarshallNY13 days ago
I wonder how Lenin&#x27;s Tomb was done.<p>There&#x27;s a bunch of &quot;hush-hush&quot; stuff about it, but it appears to just be very well-done standard mortuary stuff.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Lenin%27s_Mausoleum#Preserving_the_body" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Lenin%27s_Mausoleum#Preserving...</a>
cess1113 days ago
One person has been somewhat successful in this area, Gunther von Hagens.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gunther_von_Hagens" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gunther_von_Hagens</a><p>He has a method of plastination that he has used for decades to preserve corpses, notably as the exhibition Body Worlds.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Body_Worlds" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Body_Worlds</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bodyworlds.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bodyworlds.com&#x2F;</a>
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adzm13 days ago
Highly recommend everyone check out the Corning museum of glass, it is so incredibly interesting and there is a real depth to the deeper parts of the museum.
xattt13 days ago
The success of this initiative… remains to be seen.
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dcminter13 days ago
If we were suddenly taken with the urge to do this now I wonder how good a job we could do? Maybe a high gamma sterilization to kill off any bacteria in or around the body, then cast it in resin; presumably there would still be mere chemical decay paths for the corpses&#x27; components though. I suppose embalming would still be the best way...?
RajT8813 days ago
&gt; it’s hard to imagine that, even if perfectly sealed, the clothed body would look at all natural after being coated in the wet sodium silicate and then dried out, much less after being exposed to the elevated temperatures required to cast glass around it.<p>This is the kind of stuff that indie horror movies are made about.<p>Case in point: Body Worlds art exhibit by Dr. Gunther von Hagens, and the film Anatomy:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Anatomy_(film)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Anatomy_(film)</a>
HPsquared13 days ago
I wonder if there was a rush to patent anything and everything back then. Perhaps like the dotcom rush for domain names, patenting hundreds of random ideas in a similar way to domain squatting.
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dracovolans13 days ago
&quot;Russian born&quot; - i don&#x27;t think so. Surename is 100% Polish and is written using Polish lettering - not a transliteration from Russian.
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ninalanyon11 days ago
It&#x27;s not at all the same idea but it reminds me of Slow Glass in Bob Shaw&#x27;s heartbreaking Light of Other Days.
elzbardico13 days ago
Two words:<p>Epoxy resin.
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gwern13 days ago
OP fails to link the patent, which is at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US748284A&#x2F;en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US748284A&#x2F;en</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patentimages.storage.googleapis.com&#x2F;8f&#x2F;2f&#x2F;9b&#x2F;bc599b60325138&#x2F;US748284.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patentimages.storage.googleapis.com&#x2F;8f&#x2F;2f&#x2F;9b&#x2F;bc599b6...</a><p>(The patent is only 2 pages, and the 1pg text description doesn&#x27;t address the question of anaerobic bacterial decay or the removal of water to solve decay that way, but it also only claims &#x27;indefinite&#x27; preservation, so it&#x27;s not necessarily claiming perpetual preservation. It could just be intended for a few months or years, and who knows how well it&#x27;d work?)<p>&gt; All these methods of sealing the body into airtight contraptions ignores the fact that decomposition comes from within. When the heart stops, the autolysis, or self-digestion, of the flesh begins, through its enzymes consuming cell membranes. Trapping a body in with its own bacteria means it is producing gas that has nowhere to go.<p>One thing worth noting here is that this was the era of germ theory and vitamin-ization and initial success in blood&#x2F;organ transplants (eg. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Immortalists-Charles-Lindbergh-Alexis-Forever&#x2F;dp&#x2F;006052815X" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Immortalists-Charles-Lindbergh-Alexis...</a> ). There had been such huge gains in health that some of the projections and assumptions are hard to recognize (and are part of why science fiction from before the 1950s can be so strange to read). For example, given how pervasive germs turned out to be, and how deadly, but also how beneficial things like vaccination or pasteurization were, there was something of a vogue for imagining a future germ-free world: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gwern.net&#x2F;doc&#x2F;genetics&#x2F;microbiome&#x2F;germ-free&#x2F;2012-kirk.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gwern.net&#x2F;doc&#x2F;genetics&#x2F;microbiome&#x2F;germ-free&#x2F;2012-kir...</a> This would help lead to greatly reduced sickness and mortality, and help extend lifespans to centuries. (After all, the contemporary fad of &#x27;microbiome&#x27;-everything aside, mammals like mice or humans get along pretty well without any microbes, as we now know from the later germ-free animal research and bubble boys.)<p>You might ask how they imagined this working in practice, as sterilizing the entire world seems infeasible? Well, one idea was... Perfectly-sealed glass cubes, using similar techniques as germ-free animal or bubble boy environments. For example, the 1927 &quot;The Machine Man of Ardathia&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;freeread.com.au&#x2F;@RGLibrary&#x2F;FrancisFlagg&#x2F;Ardathia&#x2F;TheMachineManOfArdathia.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;freeread.com.au&#x2F;@RGLibrary&#x2F;FrancisFlagg&#x2F;Ardathia&#x2F;The...</a> imagines a far future germ-free man traveling back in time in <i>his glass cube</i> to inspect us short-lived disease-plagued primitives who wander around naked. So it&#x27;s not a big step to imagine sealing them into a block for indefinite preservation post-mortem.