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Is Planet Nine Alone in the Outer System?

119 pointsby JPLeRouzic8 days ago

16 comments

adrian_b8 days ago
The fact that many trans-Neptunian bodies have weird orbits is not a correct argument for the existence of an extra big planet beyond them in the present time.<p>It is only evidence that at some moment in the past there was something big out there, which has perturbed their orbits.<p>In 2024 there have been published a few papers which propose that a star has passed close to the Solar System in the past and its passage has caused all the unusual orbits that we see in the outer Solar System.<p>This seems more plausible than an undiscovered big planet.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;s41550-024-02349-x" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;s41550-024-02349-x</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iopscience.iop.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.3847&#x2F;2041-8213&#x2F;ad63a6" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iopscience.iop.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.3847&#x2F;2041-8213&#x2F;ad63a6</a>
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Qem8 days ago
&gt; Brown argues that this object is not likely to be Planet Nine because its orbit would be far more tilted than what is predicted for the undiscovered world. In other words, a planet in this position would not have the observed effects on the Solar System. In fact, a planet in this orbit would make the calculated Planet Nine orbit itself unstable, which would eliminate Planet Nine altogether. Is there an entirely different planet out there? Future observations will have to sort this out.<p>There&#x27;s also an alternative lesser known proposal for an undetected massive object in the outer solar system, by Lykawka and Mukai[1], ofter confounded with the planet nine hypothesis, but it is actually an independent proposal from the object predicted by Batygin and Brown. I wonder if despite not being compatible with the more known planet nine proposal, the recent finding may be compatible with the one from Lykawka et al, or it may even be the case that the former acts in tandem with the later, and we actually have two real objects making the work of the virtual single planet proposed by B&amp;B.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iopscience.iop.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.1088&#x2F;0004-6256&#x2F;135&#x2F;4&#x2F;1161&#x2F;pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iopscience.iop.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.1088&#x2F;0004-6256&#x2F;135&#x2F;4&#x2F;1...</a>
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yellowapple8 days ago
The worst part of Pluto&#x27;s demotion from &quot;planet&quot; to &quot;dwarf planet&quot; is the sheer disrespect toward what&#x27;s arguably the most interesting planet that&#x27;s not Earth.<p>The second-worst part is that we can&#x27;t call this hypothetical trans-Plutonian planet &quot;Planet X&quot; anymore.
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rdtsc8 days ago
Previous discussion <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43874641">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43874641</a><p>Link to the paper:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;2504.17288" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;2504.17288</a>
glimshe8 days ago
Why do sites hijack scrolling? Reading this on my laptop is painful.
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xhrpost8 days ago
&gt; The authors say that the 570 megapixel Dark Energy Camera (DECam) may be useful for follow-up observations.<p>I was curious what kind of resolution you&#x27;d have at this distance but not sure I did the math right. The camera has a resolution of 0.27&quot;&#x2F;pixel[1] which is 0.000075 degrees. Then to get size at 500AU -&gt; tan((pi&#x2F;180) * 0.000075)<i>(500 </i> 149597870700) ~98megameters, which is like 8 earth diameters. Is this right?<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.darkenergysurvey.org&#x2F;the-des-project&#x2F;instrument&#x2F;the-camera&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.darkenergysurvey.org&#x2F;the-des-project&#x2F;instrument&#x2F;...</a>
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codethief7 days ago
OP quotes a Science article that, in turn, quotes Mike Brown (who came up with Planet 9) but the article fails to provide a source, even though it&#x27;s right here on the internet and quite the interesting read: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bsky.app&#x2F;profile&#x2F;plutokiller.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;3lnqm2ymbd22r" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bsky.app&#x2F;profile&#x2F;plutokiller.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;3lnqm2ymbd22r</a>
ArthurStacks8 days ago
This group have been banging on about this for decades
soufron8 days ago
It&#x27;s &quot;Earth in Upheaval&quot; all over again.<p>What is the proposed timeline of the passing of that other star?
hulitu6 days ago
&gt; Is Planet Nine Alone in the Outer System?<p>This reminds me of &quot;lone rangers&quot;
WalterBright8 days ago
I saw a documentary where Duck Dodgers found Planet X, I&#x27;m sure he could also find Planet 9.
eth0up8 days ago
I&#x27;m going with little black hole
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cratermoon8 days ago
I thought we decided that Pluto was the largest of many trans-Neptunian objects.
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RajT888 days ago
I hope when we finally catch a glimpse of it, it does not look like an 8 ball.
p0w3n3d7 days ago
Sounds to me like `Plan 9 From Outer Space`
Hobadee8 days ago
Planet 9 is Pluto!<p>Fight me!