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Coffee for people who don't like coffee

81 pointsby ostwilkens13 days ago

45 comments

nkrisc10 days ago
1. Good beans. Something not roasted to a charred crisp (looking at you, Starbucks). Eat a coffee bean by itself. If it tastes bad on its own, it’ll probably taste bad in the brew too. I enjoy munching a few beans while I make my coffee.<p>1.5 Buy your beans whole and grind them. It really makes a difference.<p>2. Clean water. If your water tastes bad, so will the coffee. I just use filtered water from the fridge.<p>3. No science here from me, but after some trial and error I think 190F is a good temp. Might simply be because it’s at a drinkable temperature around the time it’s ready to drink (depending on how you make it).<p>I just make it in a small pot that is essentially a tea infuser. I basically just steep coarse grounds for about 5 min at 190F.
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90s_dev10 days ago
&gt; You&#x27;ll get diabetes. Have a coffee.<p>When I was a kid, I hated even the <i>smell</i> of coffee so much, that tasting it could make me throw up.<p>A few years ago, to help kick my soda habit, I forced myself to drink black coffee every single day.<p>The first day, I could barely stomach a few sips. After a week or so, I could finish the whole cup with great difficulty. After another few weeks, I could finish it without minding. And finally, after maybe a month or a little more, I actually enjoyed the taste.<p>It seems that if you force yourself to taste any food or drink for 40 days, you&#x27;ll eventually enjoy it.<p>I also noticed that I drink way too much coffee and way too quickly if I add cream or sugar. Black coffee is the ideal.<p>Since I&#x27;m too stupid and&#x2F;or lazy to figure out how to clean my coffee machine (the instructions said something about vinegar once in a while) I realized you could just put a tablespoon of ground coffee into a filter, fold it twice, twist the edges like a tootsie roll, and tie them together, forming essentially a tea bag, then put it in a bot of water about 1-2 cups worth, squish it up with a spoon a bit, let it sit overnight as if you were making ice coffee, and heat it up in the morning long enough to go to the bathroom, and it&#x27;s the perfect tempature and taste, and you only have to rinse the pot to clean it.
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iamthemonster10 days ago
It&#x27;s quite interesting how coffee is treated in different cultures.<p>In Australia, coffee would normally be consumed as a dark roast, but with texturised (that is aerated and steamed to create a microfoam).<p>Dark roast coffee is less acidic, and when made into an espresso + texturised milk drink it becomes very sweet and smooth tasting.<p>Light roasts used in espresso-based milky drinks are not so pleasant, and are more prone to astringency, especially if you use the same grind size, temperature and shot volume as a dark roast (which home espresso makers probably would, but cafes would know better).<p>Light roasts are best with pourover or French Press methods and served black, which are not really methods that are as common in the Australian tradition.<p>I&#x27;m quite surprised that someone who didn&#x27;t like dark roasts would find light roasts less challenging, but hey I&#x27;m Australian not Swedish.
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lylejantzi3rd10 days ago
A radiation safety officer from UC Berkeley already invented coffee for people who hate coffee. He calls it The Black Blood of the Earth.<p>A quarter of the sales are sent to his fixer who looks after the babushkas in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;shop.funraniumlabs.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;shop.funraniumlabs.com&#x2F;</a>
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jagermo10 days ago
2 things I would recommend to people in a similar position:<p>1) Affogato: An espresso shot poured over a nice serving of ice cream. Does not have to be much, but a good vanilla gelato with an espresso over it is heaven.<p>2) Try a cold brew. Simply get ground coffee that smells good, put 2 to 3 scoops in a bottle, fill with water, and let it sit in the fridge for 24+ hours. After that, run it through a filter. The resulting liquid is pretty intense and has a high caffeine concentration, but, most of the time, will not taste bitter and even offer some different flavor profiles. Even cheap ground beans can taste quite good that way. You can drink it over ice in the summer or simply add some boiling water (basically an americano).<p>oh, and shop around for coffee places, smaller roasters and or speciality coffee shops, they normally roast different and their coffee has a wide variety of taste. from fruity to nutty, coffee can be so much more than just a dark liquid.
Waterluvian10 days ago
Enjoyed reading this. It reminded me of two things I did in university:<p>1. Caffeine pills. They worked well. But when combined with my ADHD meds would do interesting things. I wish I had kept my data log of all the experiments with combinations and dosages and timings.<p>2. I HATED coffee too. But I really loved the smell and it felt so cozy. So I just made hot mochas that began 90% hot chocolate and by the end of the first winter were 90% coffee. Could never go full black though even though I tried many times.
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podunkPDX10 days ago
A few years back I discovered that the Ethiopian run minimart up the street sells unroasted coffee beans, $6&#x2F;lb.<p>I bought a pound and followed the proprietor’s advice, roasting small quantities in a cast iron pan on medium high and agitating&#x2F;stirring until it looked right.<p>This was too labor intensive to be sustainable (40m for about 100g), but the end result was breathtaking. Immediately bought a roaster from Sweet Maria’s and haven’t looked back.<p>I’m in the Pacific Northwest and we are spoiled for choice with artisanal roasters and coffee shops alike, but mine still tastes better since I roasted it yesterday.
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owlninja10 days ago
I like coffee, but many years ago I realized I don&#x27;t like drinking hot liquids. Anyone else like this? I live in North Texas where it&#x27;s uncomfortably hot most of the year. It used to boggle my mind playing golf with my Grandpa who would grab a coffee at the turn just as temperatures were cracking 90F.
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yoko88810 days ago
I still don&#x27;t really enjoy drinking coffee. It&#x27;s just too bitter for me, and I’ve never gotten used to the taste. I prefer plain water and green tea. Plain water is simple. For me, it&#x27;s the healthiest and most comfortable choice. Green tea has a lighter flavor, and sometimes a gentle sweetness comes after. It helps me stay alert in a quiet way, without being too strong like coffee. I think everyone has a drink that works best for them. For me, tea and water are enough.
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maxwellg10 days ago
During Covid I spent a lot of time on my home coffee setup - I&#x27;ve since dialed it back but I&#x27;ve kept the pourover, the grinder, and the Chemex. We found a local business that roasts beans in their garage that we love.<p>The biggest problem is that really good coffee ruins bad coffee foreger. After making my own for so long, traveling and dealing with gas station or hotel breakfast coffee is especially jarring. Sometimes I wish I could forget how good coffee could taste.
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dieselerator10 days ago
&gt; The idea that coffee can have any taste other burnt rubber was interesting.<p>That summarizes the article.<p>This is not a recommendation, but you can buy caffeine pills.
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jghn9 days ago
Where I live, Dunkin Donuts is king. All one needs to do is stand in line behind the average patron ordering a coffee with 8 creams and 10 sugars to identify &quot;coffee for people who don&#x27;t life coffee&quot;.<p>Or take a gander at any Starbucks ad pushing their latest dessert for breakfast drink offering.
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gorfian_robot10 days ago
OP should try nestea and save a lot of hassle. Next up: Restaurants for people who don&#x27;t like food!
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k31013 days ago
The article discusses a drip system which I used to use under a different name, but went away.<p>It has a cone with a filter mesh and a valve that remains closed as long as the cone and its integral base are sitting on a level surface, but which opens when you place it on a cup.<p>It&#x27;s now called &quot;Clever Dripper&quot;<p>The main reason I got one is because it&#x27;s so easy to empty the grinds after use, unlike a French Press, even the one that has a built-in scoop below the grinds that you lift via a handle. Of course, any filter facilitates this operation, but the convenience of &quot;brew 4 minutes and park it over your cup&quot; is nice.
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dgimla208 days ago
Why keep pursuing it if you don&#x27;t like it in general?<p>I don&#x27;t like coffee. I&#x27;ve tried most of the variations over the years, and don&#x27;t like any of them. So I don&#x27;t drink it.<p>The top comment and tons of others are people trying to work around what for many is simply a general dislike of coffee. Good beans, clean water, certain temperature. That&#x27;s not going to change somebody who doesn&#x27;t like the taste of coffee.<p>I just drink water. It&#x27;s all we need.
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senectus110 days ago
I love coffee, black and without sugar. but something in my stomach decided over the last 10 years that i can no longer drink it.<p>if I do I get IBS like issues :-(<p>I used to be able to drink it 4-6 time a day no problems. I&#x27;d happily drink one before bed and sleep like a log. It didnt keep me awake it made me want to ignore that that it was time for bed.<p>getting older sucks. much of what I used to enjoy eating and drinking is being taken away from me.
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kmm10 days ago
I thought coffee for people who don&#x27;t like coffee was instant coffee? The linked Clever Dripper seems like it&#x27;s comparatively a bit more effort and waste.<p>Apart from the advantage of instant preparation, to my undiscerning palate instant coffee has got all the qualities and taste of coffee I enjoy, and not being a coffee-connoisseur, I can&#x27;t be disappointed by its apparent blandness or one-dimensionality.
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southernplaces710 days ago
So, the way I make coffee, and as far as I&#x27;m concerned the easiest and most versatile way to make it:<p>Needed:<p>1. One small to medium aluminum or steel pot (any will do, just hopefully narrow enough for an easy boil)<p>2. Obviously, coffee, preferably freshly ground by you or some seller, but bagged, ground coffee is just fine if it&#x27;s a good brand.<p>3. Distilled water. You could use tap water, but damn do I hope you live in one of those few places where the stuff from the tap is great stuff, because it often isn&#x27;t and tastes like lead-lined ass. Otherwise, any distilled, filtered water will make a huge difference on final coffee quality.<p>4. Heat Source of some kind. It could be a gas stove, electric stove, induction stove, campfire or even a nuclear reactor core, as long as it can boil your pot water.<p>5. Your favorite cup, or any cup really, preferably one thick enough to trap heat for at least a bit.<p>6. Something for filtering prepared coffee. Could be a tiny kitchen sieve, a spare coffee filter, or even a (preferably very clean) sock. I&#x27;ve used them all.<p>7. Spoon.<p>Process:<p>1. Pour water into your (preferably clean) little metal pot, measure out how many cups worth you want.<p>2. Heat said water until it boils.<p>3. Take water down from boil and just as it stops bubbling, toss in tablespoons of coffee. I prefer one tablespoon per cup&#x27;s worth of water, but you can play with this based on strength preference.<p>4. Let sit for 5 minutes.<p>5. Serve yourself some fine damn coffee by pouring it into your cup through the little filtering screen of choice (see above), whether you&#x27;re at home, on some mountains, or inside a nuclear reactor..
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exiguus10 days ago
Its ok to not like coffee. Tee or Mate is also fine.
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crossroadsguy10 days ago
I finally realised that black coffee isn&#x27;t for me (i.e just coffee and water; not even if it has chicory).<p>I just can&#x27;t have coffee without milk. So for it&#x27;s the filter coffee (kaapi), or the instant coffee with milk, and cappuccino et al. I prefer well made instant milk coffee. Second comes the filter coffee and then everything else. Usually more coffee and really heated and stirred milk otherwise the typical fresh milk sort of taste remains and that&#x27;s not nice. So I have to tell &quot;swalpa strong, sugar beda&quot; (little strong, no sugar).<p>I have tried for years and I could never make even instant coffee at home that I could like (while I make decent milk tea&#x2F;chai). So I gave up again and I mostly have coffee outside. At home I keep a bit just for emergencies when I must fight the sleep and I don&#x27;t have time to step out. Also, because even though I live in the coffee&#x2F;kaapi heaven Bangalore I am on the outskirts so things are far.
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cwegener10 days ago
The Clever Dripper is indeed a really neat invention. One of the old school specialty coffee guys in my city did recommend it. I have yet to move away from my french press though. I don&#x27;t mind the little bit of extra effort of the french press.<p>since you&#x27;re in the EU (I assume), check friedhats.com for some fancy roasts<p>EDIT: oh, and if you dont mind - what was the cheap grinder you got?
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bschwindHN10 days ago
For those who don&#x27;t like coffee because it&#x27;s served hot (as mentioned in the article), try a pourover on ice. This is just _one_ recipe and not _the_ recipe but good to start somewhere:<p>* 15g of coffee, ground for drip&#x2F;pourover<p>* 150g of hot water<p>* 4-5 ice cubes (around 80-100g of ice)<p>When you&#x27;re ready to brew, put the ice in the vessel you&#x27;ll brew into (I use a simple hario glass server). Do the whole hand-drip thing with the 150g of hot water, letting it drip onto the ice cubes in the server. By the time you&#x27;re done, pretty much all the ice will have melted.<p>Stir the server, and then pour all of its contents into a mug&#x2F;glass filled with more ice. Since I moved to a hot climate I make this once or twice a day, I&#x27;d say it&#x27;s a pretty solid recipe.
irjustin10 days ago
For this group, gaggiuino[0] is extremely fun for the hardware+coffee people.<p>Rabbit hole of cost with James Hoffman + Lance Hedrick, but they are really pushing home coffee forward.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gaggiuino.github.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gaggiuino.github.io&#x2F;</a>
eximius10 days ago
I drink chai lattes instead of coffee. Never could get on board with the bitter, brown bean water.
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JoeDaDude10 days ago
Jolt Cola! I drank boatloads of the stuff in the 1980s, even had a bright red t-shirt with their slogan: &quot;All the sugar and twice the caffeine&quot;. All this time I had no idea it was part of the hacker scene in Sweden.
Adambuilds10 days ago
It’s amazing how coffee has evolved. From the traditional bitter brew to light roasts, fruity blends, and decaf options, the range of choices today is endless. What started as a simple drink has transformed into something that caters to almost every taste and health need.<p>Personally, I’ve always struggled with the bitterness of coffee, but when I discovered lighter roasts and fruity flavors, it completely changed my experience. Some with whiskey flavour is one that surprised me the most. It’s fascinating to see how human innovation can take something so basic and make it fit our ever-changing desires.
globular-toast10 days ago
This post covers one thing they don&#x27;t tell you about coffee, namely that it doesn&#x27;t have to taste like generic burnt plant matter.<p>The other thing is you don&#x27;t have to like espresso. It took me a while to realise this. Espresso is everywhere because it&#x27;s easy to mass produce. They just press a button basically. But it basically all tastes the same (IMO). You might like filter or cafetière coffee even if you don&#x27;t like espresso.<p>Espresso made with burnt beans, e.g. Starbucks, is naturally the worst of the worst. There&#x27;s a reason their drinks are mostly milk and sugar.
johnea9 days ago
Shouldn&#x27;t people who don&#x27;t like coffee, just not drink coffee?<p>The article makes it seem like caffeine is an essential nutrient. Is this kid just addicted?<p>I drink an espresso or two each morning. I find drip coffee... uninteresting. If I travel, or am in any situation where I don&#x27;t have easy access to espresso, I just don&#x27;t drink coffee. It&#x27;s not a big deal.<p>I do agree with the aversion to sodas... In addition to the sugar, they&#x27;re packed full of other wonky ingredients.
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mastazi10 days ago
&gt; Here in Sweden, it is customary to roast and brew coffee the same color as your soul: dark and ragged<p>Strange, I thought it was the opposite given that very light roasts are sometimes called &quot;Nordic roasts&quot; - my understanding was that the name came about because light roasts are common in Northern Europe. Maybe that applies only to some but not all Nordic countries?
dockd10 days ago
I think the success of Red Bull and Dutch Brothers is due to their ability to provide coffee to people who don&#x27;t like coffee.
irrational10 days ago
Why not use caffeine pills? You get the caffeine jolt without the calories. Plus, they are far cheaper than buying drinks.
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Apes10 days ago
It&#x27;s very expensive, but Geisha varietal coffee might be of interest to you. It&#x27;s extremely smooth, and tastes more like a light tea than a coffee. I&#x27;ve only had it once, and it was by far the best cup of coffee I&#x27;ve ever had.
riknos31410 days ago
I&#x27;m not on Matrix, but the author might be interested in Swerl roasters in Sweden.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;swerl.se&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;swerl.se&#x2F;</a>
metalman10 days ago
I&#x27;m struggling with this, to be nice,empathetic, understanding, but coffee for people who dont like coffee, is toggling back and forth across some unimaginable contradictory gulf, at a ferocious rate and leaves me wondering about how the world might look if it was filled with a complete set of things and services for people who dont like those things and serviced, and of course the whole theraputic ecosystem to kludge it along. sex for people who dont like sex and icecream for people who dont like icecreamm
xunil2ycom8 days ago
As I understand it, a lighter roast retains more caffeine than a darker roast.
incomingpain10 days ago
Lattes, they are essentially sugar milk that you only slightly dirty with an espresso.
eth0up10 days ago
As an ignorant kid, yet unwise to the evils of this world and my part in fighting them, I had a magical source from which to procure endless jolt cola. All it required was a little nocturnal recon work involving dark clothing, slithering prone, and timing. And of course, a momentary suspension of morality, a concept I hadn&#x27;t yet figured out wasn&#x27;t just adult propaganda.<p>And holy fukuda, those things changed me. I&#x27;d sometimes drink one right before boarding the school bus, and what havoc I hadn&#x27;t wreaked during the journey, was thoroughly unleashed at school. Until the effects wore off, by which time some iteration of a suspension or prelude to one was often in the works. Grade A canned trouble. And the only substance I can remember that ever made me actually kind of want to go to school.<p>The only truly excellent coffee I&#x27;ve ever had was an African pea berry, as good as fine tea, in a way that discouraged adulteration with any form of sweetener or cream. It was vaguely floral and silken, and reminded me of indigo and velvet. Every coffee since has been a neutral or unpleasant means of banishing weariness, or barter for inspiration.
jfengel10 days ago
I find that a substantial fraction of people who drink coffee don&#x27;t like coffee. They combine it with milk and syrup and whipped cream, and it&#x27;s really more of a hot milkshake.<p>No shade intended. Drink what you like. But I suspect a lot of people would prefer a steamer (same thing minus the coffee).
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hanlonsrazor10 days ago
Recommend giving DAK roasters a try, fantastic light coffee.
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jerkstate10 days ago
I switched to unsweetened cacao with some extras in the morning, had to lay off caffeine but theobromine seems fine. Here’s my recipe:<p>About 15-20 grams of unsweetened cacao paste<p>2 grams freeze dried panax ginseng (some ginseng powders are disgustingly bitter and others taste nice and earthy)<p>Dash of cayenne pepper<p>About 3&#x2F;4 to 1 cup milk (cold)<p>Top up with about another cup of boiling water from the kettle and immersion blend until smooth I make it in a thermos cup so it stays warm.<p>The idea is to prevent the cacao from exceeding 150 degrees or so, to prevent the compounds from breaking down.<p>Tastes great, has tons of nutrients, and wakes me up.
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anonu10 days ago
light beans == more caffeine
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Quenby10 days ago
Recently, I&#x27;ve started grinding my coffee beans just before brewing, and the difference is really noticeable. The freshness of the grind seems to bring out more complex flavors, especially with lightly roasted beans. I&#x27;m curious—do you think there&#x27;s a noticeable difference in taste between freshly ground coffee and pre-ground coffee? What tools do you use to brew your coffee, and which one do you think gives the best results?
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bluGill10 days ago
What is wrong with plain water? Why try to mess it up with flavor, just drink and go on.<p>I hate coffee, soda, and tea. water has always work well so why change it.
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jeffhuys10 days ago
Loved coffee. Now gives me dissociation episodes, sometimes leading to seizures. Tried it a few times still, but still happens. I’m not alone in this. Watch out with high dosages. Even low doses make me trip now.
zwaps10 days ago
I hate modern coffee. It tastes like sour water, or at best like tea.<p>It tastes nothing like good coffee, the properties of which we already figured out long ago eg. in a good Italian espresso.<p>And then these people dump all aggregates of milk in their 19ml of white roasted coffee, only to guarantee that they do not taste any coffee at all.<p>Here is a hint: If you do not like coffee, you are allowed not to drink it!<p>Save the rest of us from your unroasted, watery garbage.
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