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The power of ignoring mainstream news

111 pointsby endtwistover 12 years ago

33 comments

tzsover 12 years ago
I found that when I let mainstream news go and tried to stay informed via social media, blogs, and Reddit, I <i>felt</i> informed.<p>Then I got a Kindle and tried a mainstream newspaper subscription.<p>I quickly noticed that the newspaper often disagreed with what I'd "learn" from Reddit and blogs, and upon further investigation the newspaper was almost always correct. Apparently the Reddit circle jerk is not as good at news as professional journalists.
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zerostar07over 12 years ago
I recently had the opposite revelation: Most social sites are too much of a distraction, feeding us with pointless weakly-written opinions and things that have zero effect in my life. Their signal to noise ratio is definitely lower, and is not compensated by the higher amount of info they pile up.<p>Humans are by nature curious about what's happening, and no matter how much one bulks up at the local gym, they are probably not quenching their thirst in that way.
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kibaover 12 years ago
One of the problem that the OP blog points out is that mainstream news dish out bad news that encourage an exaggerated and wraped fearful worldview. For example, when a mass murder incident happens, people talk a lot about gun violence and how it's gripping the country and we should do something about it. Of course, they forgot that 40K people die in car accidents, 600K more die of heart disease and about 500K more die of cancer each year. A mass murderer is essentially an amateur when they are compared to inanimate or impersonal killers like cells going out of control or high blood pressure.<p>People aren't going to stop talking about these incidents and they aren't going to stop being terribly uninformed with just this blog post. What they need is some sort of media campaign to inform them of the real risk of dying and what they really need to fear.<p>This is what I called "fear inoculation", a term I coined at <a href="http://kibabase.com/articles/notes-and-thoughts#fear-inoculation" rel="nofollow">http://kibabase.com/articles/notes-and-thoughts#fear-inocula...</a><p>In essence, fear inoculation is basically protection against memes that promote irrational fear of certain things like terrorist incidents and airplane crash.
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pinaceaeover 12 years ago
'ignorance is bliss'.<p>go ahead, tune out the news. please stop voting though, democracy relies on the informed voter. and good luck in the capitalist economy, that one relies on information as well.<p>as this is hn, let's focus on the founder's perspective. if you have no clue about what's going on in the world, how can you compete within it? if you have no clue about your target group's current situation? pick anything, like healthcare - great opportunities, but good luck not staying informed.<p>back to the general reason why this terrible advice: being ignorant makes you a terrible citizen. it is already bad in the US, if you're only watching tv news you're already clueless about the world. whenever i am in the us i am amazed about the lack of true world news - CNN International is a very different channel than CNN.<p>as a voter it is your frickin responsibility to stay informed. your worldview baffles me.
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pixelmonkeyover 12 years ago
Here is the kernel of good advice in this post: consuming news can be addicting, can create a negative worldview, and might not provide the informational content you think it may.<p>However, the author then makes a series of suggestions for all the things you should be doing with your time, such as: (a) playing videogames; (b) mentoring other startup founders; (c) building your own startup; (d) writing on your blog; (e) going to the gym.<p>All of these suggestions for what you should be doing with your time are... surprise, surprise... things that the author does with his time, instead of reading the news.<p>The reflection I got out of this post was perhaps the opposite of intended: I need to stop reading HN!
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tbesedaover 12 years ago
I understand a healthy media diet but as an able/concerned/voting citizen, I cannot justify abstaining from news* entirely.<p>*News being defined as important information about important events. (Not TMZ, GMA, opinion columns/shows, etc.)
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FuzzyDunlopover 12 years ago
I agree with this, because it's something I've done for a while, but for different reasons (primarily to do with mental health).<p>But as an addendum to that it's also important to know and accept that, as a result, you are more ignorant. This isn't a <i>bad</i> thing, for as long as you know that you're willingly less informed. As stated, this is the opportunity cost for pursuing things more important to you.<p>As an aside, I'd like to recommend Flat Earth News[0] to anyone who wants a journalist's insight into how the news isn't always truthful.<p>As another one, I saw a comment saying Americans are how they are because they <i>don't</i> watch the news. I disagree. Watching the news does not make you culturally sensitive.<p>[0] <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flat-Earth-News-Award-winning-Distortion/dp/0701181451" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flat-Earth-News-Award-winning-Distor...</a>
webwanderingsover 12 years ago
Did you stop absorbing news altogether or you just stopped looking at mainstream news? What is your definition of mainstream news?<p>I think it is reasonable to be an observer of your local news - the news which affects your immediate environment - otherwise rest of the long distance news is irrelevant so I am in agreement.
alinajafover 12 years ago
My personal, ad-hoc strategy for keeping up with news (aside from HN):<p>* Glance Newspaper headlines on the metro or at newsstands.<p>* Every quarter or so, pick up a copies of The Economist and New Scientist.<p>* Hit wikipedia for an intro to issues/subjects that I find interesting.<p>* Track down books/papers on anything that I want to delve deeper into.
lognover 12 years ago
I'll just share my news diet and what I think of each of them. I take all news with a grain of salt and try to mix it up. I think it's a mistake to just give up news altogether though.<p>HN: interesting technical pieces occasionally and good coverage of tech industry but is often an echo chamber (granted one I agree with) and features a lot of fluff pieces written by bloggers lacking original thought and research skills<p>WSJ: good coverage of business but features a world-view that's almost completely obsessed with money and right-wing ideology, yet the pieces are still thoughtful and original<p>NYTimes: I occasionally read to find out about world events since they have great breadth and coverage<p>Local papers: generally a crap-hole of AP content and crime reports but is useful for sports and city council/schools coverage<p>Slashdot: for teh lulz. but these people share my outrage at government intrusion in our lives so I like reading up<p>Facebook: I have good friends who link to good stories in publications I would otherwise never read<p>NPR/public radio: insightful and original story ideas, but they're very much into intellectual naval gazing<p>AM conservative radio: they're entertaining, and I enjoy hearing their take on recent events which often have a lot of valid points. at least they wear their bias on their sleeves even if it gets in the way of legitimate reporting/analysis<p>Local TV news: completely pointless and depressing recap of local crime and fluff pieces. useful in the event of local severe weather. decent sports interviews but mostly resorts to flimsy soundbites<p>Daily Show: you can always count on Jon to call people out on their BS and point out absurdities<p>Google News: extremely useful for getting up to speed on what's happening but is often trapped in a monotonous cycle of iPhone news, 'radical' health discoveries which are overblown, violence in foreign countries, and gaffe-centric political reporting<p>Twitter: I follow over a 1000 people so it's like sifting through a pile of periodicals in the bathroom which sometimes turns up some good finds but is mostly just perfume ads
bpatrianakosover 12 years ago
This is terrible advice and not something I think people should be recommending to others. I love Joel's posts enough to subscribe to the rss feed (which I have never done for any site ever) but this post is something I strongly disagree with for many good reasons.<p>The idea he puts forth is incredibly naive and has not been taken to its natural conclusion. He talks about the negative side of keeping up with the news while ignoring the many positives.<p>He puts forth a simple solution to a complex problem. The solution he comes up with is naive and extreme. The problem seems to be that news being biased and overwhelmingly negative puts a damper on your mood. It can also harm productivity when becoming too engrossed in it and when the news stirs up strong emotions. His point is valid but his solution is extreme.<p>I think it's this kind of attitude that is making Americans stupid when it comes to civics. People in this country (the US) have no clue what's going on in the world or domestically because they either don't follow the news at all or because all they can process at any given moment is some asinine sound bite that barely comes close to touching on the substance of an issue.<p>Following news isn't harming anyone's mental well being. <i>Not following the news</i> is what causes harm. We pay a price for ignorance and the bill is about due. Following the news keeps you informed, it expands your world beyond the narrow little bubble most people live in, and it makes you an informed citizen which then gives you the tools to make smart decisions and, if you're an entrepreneur especially, gives you insight into where your next opportunity may come from.<p>While Joel's points about the detrimental effect the news can have and the problems with the media itself are pretty valid, tuning out is the wrong solution. The real solution is to be aware that what you see and hear is often biased. Being aware of the business side of the news will make you a better, more informed consumer of news thus making any news you consume more valuable and often actionable.<p>Now, if watching the news and reading mainstream news outlets creates anxiety for you then you probably have to brush up on your skills as a consumer of news. You don't need to watch 8hours of CNN or read the newspaper cover to cover to be informed. Consuming mainstream news reasonably shouldnt be detrimental in any way to you.<p>Furthermore, the fact that he singles out "mainstream" news makes me worry. It implies that news sources outside of the mainstream are somehow better or more true. This is not the case. Many of these news sources outside the mainstream like the brag about how they are the only ones with the balls to report the "truth". Whenever anyone appoints themselves the authority on truth it's time to be skeptical. Everyone has an agenda and while mainstream news may have some major problems with bias and conflicts of interest, it doesn't mean they are completely without any credibility news outside the mainstream can be just as bad if not worse than mainstream news. These organizations often push a very biased agenda or peddle ridiculous conspiracy theories while claiming to be sources of truth. Many times both the conspiracy theories and extreme bias go together in a news outlet beyond the mainstream in an effort to push some agenda. I used to be a believer in "truth" and conspiracy theories (often being unable to tell the difference). Now I understand that truth is not always so clear cut. There are degrees of truth.<p>The best thing to do is not to ignore mainstream news but embrace it. Embrace it with a healthy amount of skepticism and logic. It will expose you to new ideas and keep you up on what's going on in the world. So long as you consume it smartly you won't have a problem.<p>This whole post seems to be born out of a non-problem. I mean it's a problem but a problem born out of going to extremes. I happen to be keeping up with the news and in particular the US presidential election. It sometimes makes me angry but not to the point of disrupting my life in any way at all. It doesn't keep me from being productive. I listen to the radio as I drive to the train and sometimes read a paper on the train itself. Thoughts of the news don't distract me at work or socially. And when I see or hear nonsense I can tell its nonsense and go on with my day.<p>This post is a recipe for ignorance. If you plan to live a monastic life or a certain lifestyle that allows you to get away with being uninformed then this is good advice. But for the vast majority of us living modern lives trying to get by in this world, it's a shortcut to happiness that has a price.
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larrysover 12 years ago
"Not only is watching news going to put an out of proportion amount of negative thoughts in your mind, which will affect what you can achieve, it is also valuable time where there are many amazing and meaningful things you could be doing"<p>Well let's add to this then. What about time wasted sitting in synagogue or church saying the same prayers over and over again? To me that's even a bigger waste of time. What if people got together and actually learned something during that time (if together) or on their own. To me at least the sermons were always interesting (ymmv of course) but they were mainly filed under "entertainment" value.<p>That said there is a value to main stream news depending on what your business or product is. It is important to have the beat on what others are watching and thinking to me it does have value. Some people say "who cares what the WSJ or NYT thinks"? But the truth is others care and carry that info out to people and it's a good idea to know what others are going to believe and think. That doesn't mean that you have to watch mainstream everyday, but I wouldn't go as far as saying the right approach is to stop watching TV totally as Joel says he has done. Or reading mainstream news.
Wilyaover 12 years ago
The more mainstream news is, the easier it will reach you, whatever you do, whether you spend time looking for it or not. That's kind of obvious, in hindsight, that's why it's called mainstream. Consequently, watching and reading news is useless, since you will always find someone eager to talk to you about the important stuff, and you can always double check the facts afterwards.<p>Reading already curated sources of info, preferably quite a few of them, coming from varied backgrounds, and doing a more focused research afterwards if it seems worth it, beats mainstream news most of the time.<p>And by curated, I mean low volume sources. My rule of thumb is that if an rss feed (which is where most of my news comes from) gets more than four or five updates a week, it's probably not worth it (or I subscribed to it because it's a type of noise that I like, but it's still noise).
ahqureshover 12 years ago
I feel the same way about the information that we are bombarded with on a daily basis. He is right, in the sense that much of it is very negative, though I also feel some of it is information that everyone should know. With that in mind, I would like to know where everyone goes for their information. It seems that alot of the information and news that everyone should know, be it positive or negative, is very difficult to find. This raises the question, how do we get this information into the mainstream media? The biggest problem for me is the lack of control, users have over the information that they are presented with. Even Google is able to show us the content they want us to see, or think we want to see. I think that this control is really destroying our ability to change as personalities in the online and offline world.
MattGrommesover 12 years ago
I stopped following the TV news years ago and almost never browse news websites. I use my social feeds (Twitter, HN, Facebook) and the Reddit frontpage as a high-pass filter for what news events I might care about digging more into. This cuts out almost all "X is bad for you!" scaremongering and celebrity nonsense (which I have almost a separate filter for mentally). When something like the recent anti-Islam movie fiasco happens I hear about it and dig in more. It's very freeing not to have to hear distorted stories about how everything's going to hell.<p>Right now the local mayoral election has made me pay more attention to the local news and I almost always regret that additional noise, even though the local organization I use (The Voice of San Diego) is about as good at journalism as I've seen.
xradionutover 12 years ago
As I get older, I've grown to understand that you can't ignore news and media completely, you just need to filter it to the point that you can make it useful for your needs. Like any other media, 99.99 percent of news is crap. Between smart phone apps and RSS feeds I can limit my "daily consumption" to what I want and need with a modest amount of ads and fluff taking up my time. But periodically I hit the browser or the library and get caught up on subjects that may require deeper knowledge. The best source of links to a broad spectrum of media I have found is here: <a href="http://www.insideautomotive.com/sources.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.insideautomotive.com/sources.htm</a>
donretagover 12 years ago
A year or two ago I read Tim Ferriss' The 4-Hour Work Week. Most of the advice in the book did not pertain to me, but one tidbit of knowledge that I gain is that you can save time by simply ignoring the news. Most of us are not in the position to change anything, and much of the news does not pertain directly to us. The benefit from being informed often not great than the cost of losing the time needed to read/watch the news.<p>I tried to find some quotes from the book, but the best I could find was only this article: <a href="http://www.evomend.net/en/tim-ferriss-4-hour-workweek-3-5-less-more-elimination" rel="nofollow">http://www.evomend.net/en/tim-ferriss-4-hour-workweek-3-5-le...</a>
fecklessyouthover 12 years ago
I've stopped going Reddit, for a similar effect.
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5partanover 12 years ago
Facebook and Twitter is mainstream on its own.
OoTheNigerianover 12 years ago
I agree with Joel here. He echos a similar post written a while back that asks an interesting question.<p>If you did not know Barack Obama was the president of the United States, would your life be affected?<p>For me, the answer is no. You?
dromidasover 12 years ago
The last time I saw any mainstream news that wasn't part of a youtube joke clip or actually important enough to make it to news sites like slashdot was... well... I think this one time in 5th grade around 1991 I was forced to read a news article of my choice to write an essay about. I don't remember what it was about or anything though these days.<p>So yeah, last time I saw a paper was 1991. Last time I saw a news TV thing was probably mid 90s as well, but I don't remember it since I have literally never seen a full news hour or however long it goes.
bradorover 12 years ago
I've come across this while building the feed list for <a href="http://skimfeed.com" rel="nofollow">http://skimfeed.com</a>.<p>To keep signal to noise as high as possible, I've had to remove all regular news sources from the site (CNN, MSNBC...). They're time wasting, regurgitated junk adding little to no value to readers lives.<p>At the same time, I think ignoring mainstream news completely is not the solution, it's nice to know what the masses are consuming and it keeps you up on trends.<p>Conclusion? everything in moderation.
goldfeldover 12 years ago
I think news and several other activites can be grouped under the "will this have made any impact in my life within 5 years?" good procrastination umbrella.
Roelvenover 12 years ago
I strongly agree. I became happier once I stopped following whatever mainstream news channels. I consume new things via social circles (no G+ pun intended), meaning there's a sifter of curators picking stuff for me. I'm aware of the fact that this can put you in some sort of tunnelvision, but you can prevent that by sticking your head out now and then to sniff something new.
howcanover 12 years ago
I do not mean to disagree with the OP, but here's a thought:<p>What would happen if we required someone like Warren Buffet to ignore the news?<p>What if he was prohibited from reading a single newspaper?<p>What would happen?<p>I know many people who read multiple newspapers every day, without fail. If they were not allowed access to the news, I think their ability to function in their chosen profession would be severely impacted.
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bennesvigover 12 years ago
"The quicker goes the journalist the slower go his thoughts. The result is the newspaper of our time, which every day can be delivered earlier and earlier, and which, every day, is less worth delivering at all." - GK Chesterton...in the 1920's.
agumonkeyover 12 years ago
Good news come from being close to the source while having means of integrating the knowledge. For programming topics I found irc channels and conferences are hard to beat. Unless you work in interesting companies.
propercoilover 12 years ago
I feel like i wrote this article! i stopped watching news/ propaganda/pr for a year and a half and i can't believe i wasted my time back then!
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mottersover 12 years ago
It's not only a problem of negativity though. It's also about churnalism, which compromises the integrity of a lot of mainstream news.
teteover 12 years ago
There is one really big problem with social news: Filter Bubbles.<p><a href="http://dontbubble.us/" rel="nofollow">http://dontbubble.us/</a>
woodchuck64over 12 years ago
I'm down to a few minutes of Google News per day, but that's hard to break.
nackerover 12 years ago
There was a time when I should have felt terribly ashamed of not being up-to-date. I lived in a chronic apprehension lest I might, so to speak, miss the last bus, and so find myself stranded and benighted, in a desert of demodedness, while others, more nimble than myself, had already climbed on board, taken their tickets and set out toward those bright but, alas, ever receding goals of Modernity and Sophistication. Now, however, I have grown shameless, I have lost my fears. I can watch unmoved the departure of the last social-cultural bus—the innumerable last buses, which are starting at every instant in all the world’s capitals. I make no effort to board them, and when the noise of each departure has died down, “Thank goodness!” is what I say to myself in the solitude. I find nowadays that I simply don’t want to be up-to-date. I have lost all desire to see and do the things, the seeing and doing of which entitle a man to regard himself as superiorly knowing, sophisticated, unprovincial; I have lost all desire to frequent the places and people that a man simply must frequent, if he is not to be regarded as a poor creature hopelessly out of the swim. “Be up-to-date!” is the categorical imperative of those who scramble for the last bus. But it is an imperative whose cogency I refuse to admit. When it is a question of doing something which I regard as a duty I am as ready as anyone else to put up with discomfort. But being up-to-date and in the swim has ceased, so far as I am concerned, to be a duty. Why should I have my feelings outraged, why should I submit to being bored and disgusted for the sake of somebody else’s categorical imperative? Why? There is no reason. So I simply avoid most of the manifestations of that so-called “life” which my contemporaries seem to be so unaccountably anxious to “see”; I keep out of range of the “art” they think is so vitally necessary to “keep up with”; I flee from those “good times” in the “having” of which they are prepared to spend so lavishly of their energy and cash.<p>From "Silence is Golden" by Aldous Huxley
goggles99over 12 years ago
News is sensationalized, augmented, agendized, skewed, propaganda, entertainmentized garbage.<p>Could not agree with the author more. Only pay attention to "the news" if you spend the necessary time online researching and finding out each real/complete story (facts and both sides of the story). Otherwise how can you not help being persuaded and shaped by the mainstream media?