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Living in a Van

210 pointsby rohinover 12 years ago

41 comments

patio11over 12 years ago
This seems like a romantically bohemian way to approximate a pampered middle class kid's idea of how poor people live. If you want to save money, you can try what they actually do, which is move to a less desirable neighborhood and spend one third what you do on rent for an apartment.<p>You live in a crazy expensive neck of the woods? Nice to meet you; I live in Japan, cry me a river. There's old folks on social security and single mothers in your town. Most of them don't shower with wet wipes.<p>I can't tell if my revulsion for this idea is class disdain because I'm too well off to consider it or class disdain because when I wasn't well off we had too much pride to ever stoop to anything like that.
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markerdmannover 12 years ago
This reminds of a good friend. He got a job making six figures at Google straight out of college, and then lived in his van--in the Google parking lot--while saving every penny he earned. He took showers on campus and only ate free Google food. After a few years, he went into a mini-retirement and devoted his time to traveling around the world and volunteering.
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kurtvarnerover 12 years ago
I lived from my car for 4 months in Silicon Valley while working on my startup. I got along just fine in a two door Honda Civic. I posted the details in an answer on Quora (even included a couple videos). <a href="http://www.quora.com/Would-becoming-homeless-be-a-good-strategy-to-cut-costs-1/answer/Kurt-Varner" rel="nofollow">http://www.quora.com/Would-becoming-homeless-be-a-good-strat...</a>
sharkweekover 12 years ago
If you think you can handle some sweaty palms, Alex Honnold, one of the best free solo climbers in the world, lives in his van so he can easily get from park to park and seems to absolutely thrive off the lifestyle -- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR1jwwagtaQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR1jwwagtaQ</a><p>There is something that appeals to my personality to live out of a van and just move on a whim but I don't think I would ever have the guts to go for it.
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aandonover 12 years ago
I just finished living the van life while running a company for two months. My goal was to wake up with a new view (and sunrise if I was ambitious) every morning and there are some fantastic ones in the SF Bay Area. (Little secret: the parking lot next to Chrissy Field is wide open and gets epic sunrises over Alcatraz.) It becomes naturally easy to go for a morning swim or hike before work. At least in San Francisco, there are a lot of people living out of RVs and vans and you start to follow their lead and find the good places to park. I bought a cargo van from an electrician and built a full size bed that converts into a seat and some shelves for my stuff. Coincidentally, I just put my van up for sale on craigslist yesterday, so if anyone wants to carry the torch, hit me up!<p><a href="http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/3316494260.html" rel="nofollow">http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/3316494260.html</a>
grecyover 12 years ago
I spent two years driving from Alaska to Argentina, feelancing website design and code along the way.<p>For the entire trip, my monthly expenses were less than they were in the 2 years prior just going to work every day. Yes, that includes gas for 40,000mi. I lived in my Jeep/tent the entire way.<p>I plan on doing something similar (but bigger) again, and I'll be building a more livable vehicle with a sink, stove, fridge, better sleeping, etc. etc.<p><a href="http://theroadchoseme.com/the-price-of-adventure" rel="nofollow">http://theroadchoseme.com/the-price-of-adventure</a>
timmaahover 12 years ago
Great time to be living. My wife and I sold most of our stuff and have been living nomadically the last 4 months while continuing to work full time. Though we are in an Airstream, not a van.<p>Started in Vermont and currently beach front on the Oregon coast. Truly awesome<p><a href="http://www.watsonswander.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.watsonswander.com/</a><p>It is turning out to be just slightly cheaper than when we owned a house. Averaged $27 a night the last two months for campground fees and $20 a day on gas.
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rdlover 12 years ago
My favorite "living in a van" story is <a href="http://www.hobostripper.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hobostripper.com/</a><p>(I wonder how much worse a van is than a military trailer. Those range from 40x12 with private bathroom and nice furnishings down to 10x8 with a roommate and no bathroom. It's probably a lot easier due to everyone else around you doing exactly the same thing, and there being portapotties, shower trailers, etc. freely available.)<p>I lived in a car for a month or so around the Bay Area (mostly because it was easier than finding an apartment); I'd do a hotel once or twice a week (and stay from 6am one day to 4pm the next day), and a 24h fitness membership (showers, etc. nationally) is $10-12.50/mo through Costco. I really wouldn't recommend car living, though.
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kqr2over 12 years ago
My favorite is this RV built by 3 Japanese students:<p><a href="http://www.treehugger.com/sustainable-product-design/tiny-transformer-rv-camper-turns-from-truck-to-two-storey-house.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.treehugger.com/sustainable-product-design/tiny-tr...</a><p>More details:<p><a href="http://www1.ttcn.ne.jp/~gyo/English/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www1.ttcn.ne.jp/~gyo/English/index.htm</a>
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brcover 12 years ago
I spent 3 months travelling in a 1978 Dodge RV, which I bought in LA for about $3000, and spent maybe $500 on parts for. It looked much like the one pictured in the article. I tore out the broken toilet and put in a chemical one, repaired the plumbing for the shower and got it going, replaced the batteries and bought a new charger. They key to buying one of these is take your time, and try out all the stuff. While fixing engines is something any mechanic can do, you can't turn up to a mechanic with a malfunctioning water heater.<p>I dumped the 'black' water from the toilet at public dumping stations (many towns have these) and stayed in state parks, which are not only beautiful in most cases, but are also usually just $10 or so a night. When I needed to fully charge, replenish supplies and so on, I would pay for an overnight in a RV park.<p>I was on an extremely limited budget on the time, so free camped whenever I could, particularly so in expensive places like Monterey (bind : the most expensive places also have the most restrictive overnight parking laws). I never once got moved on.<p>My tip is to find a public building that is empty at night to camp in front of. Pick a school, a local sports club, a library something like that. Something that won't have a ton of security but is also likely to be deserted. Don't park in front of peoples houses, you never know when you're going to get a paranoid who will call the cops. But at the same time, don't drive down lonely roads and park up, you're asking for trouble.<p>You can always do the wal-mart thing, but only out of desperation. They aren't great places to stay, and because they are well-known, it's not a great idea if you're the only one.<p>Be prepared to packup and move on early in the day, and most of the time you'll be OK<p>Using this method, I saw 38 states &#38; provinces, covered 11,000 miles and spent less money than most would spend on the average Las Vegas trip. A couple of buddies pitched in and filled up one of the storage areas with beer for me as a goodbye present.<p>When I was done I donated the camper to one of those charity car collection companies and they drove it away.<p>I think most young people should do something like this - living a frugal and simple life while enjoying travel is a great learning experience. Having since done a lot of travel in the 'modern' way of nice hotels, rental cars and the like, I still get wistful when I see a couple of scruffy looking youngsters making their way on a shoestring cash budget but a burgeoning enthusiasm supply.
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jonstjohnover 12 years ago
I lived in my van for about 6 months after I graduated from college in Portland, OR. I spent part of that time up in Alaska, working in the fisheries (unloading fish from boats with a great group of guys) and the rest of my time in Portland trying to find places to park overnight in the city and trying to get back to a more stable life.<p>There were good things and bad things. It definitely simplified my possessions and when I was in Alaska I could basically park my van anywhere overnight. But when I got back to Portland, it was a lot harder to find places to park where I wouldn't get harassed.<p>I used my college (as an alum) gym showers and spent time in parks. This was 1996 so I wasn't too worried about internet connectivity and there definitely weren't any free wifi hotspots ;)
gavanwooleryover 12 years ago
Not quite a van or RV, but I have always found the tiny house movement interesting.<p><a href="http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/</a><p>Many of them are small enough that you can legally tow them anywhere.
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rohinover 12 years ago
Author here. In the article I link to a 60 Minutes segment that follows around families in Florida that turn to living in their cars as a last resort.<p>Worth checking out as it offers a very different perspective on the experience:<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7389750n" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7389750n</a>
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skulegirlover 12 years ago
For the frugal traveller who wants to live in a van but move around (perhaps while developing your web app or similar), we've started a community where fellow RV'ers (or people who just like RVers) offer their driveways to others to camp on for a night or two for free - <a href="http://www.boondockerswelcome.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.boondockerswelcome.com</a>. We're going to start charging a small annual fee to cover our costs, but for $25/year you can travel all over the continent and park your van for free. Of course, this doesn't solve the bathroom or showering issue, as most people aren't opening up their bathrooms to their guests. But my mom (who has a small Roadtrek RV, which is really no bigger than a van and has no shower), has travelled for 5 months at a time getting by with showers in the occasional truck stop or an outdoor shower that she uses when they're parked in the forest. (There's also tons of free parking for RVs in US National forests BTW, plus lots of other spots. My mom writes e-books all about the free "boondocking" locations she's discovered complete with GPS co-ordinates and interesting nearby attractions - find them at <a href="http://www.frugal-rv-travel.com." rel="nofollow">http://www.frugal-rv-travel.com.</a>)<p>I know that this comment reads like a big advert, but if hackers here are actually interested in living on the cheap while launching their bootstrapped startup, these are actually viable options.
cmaover 12 years ago
It can go horribly wrong: <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/becky_blanton_the_year_i_was_homeless.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/talks/becky_blanton_the_year_i_was_homele...</a>
exabrialover 12 years ago
Obligatory Chris Farley: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nhgfjrKi0o" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nhgfjrKi0o</a>
mikegirouardover 12 years ago
&#62; Actually, you’d break even much sooner because your camper van is an asset. If you bought a used camper van from the 1980s, it’s unlikely to lose much more value under your watch. If you fix it up, it may even have appreciated in value when you look to sell it. If you resell it for anywhere near what you paid for it, you break even in just a couple of months. If you found a great deal on a van, you’d break even sooner. If you drove it around a lot and had high fuel costs, you might not.<p>Random, slightly OT thought: I never thought about buying used vehicles from this perspective. I've always thought of an auto as purely a liability.
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danielnaover 12 years ago
I saved a link to my pinboard a while back about a couple who sold all their possessions and took a VW van through North/Central/South America and in and around Africa. Super interesting read: <a href="http://www.vwvagabonds.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vwvagabonds.com/</a>
jat1over 12 years ago
I'm currently living in a van! Me and my long term girlfriend have taken some time from the 9-5 to travel around Europe for a while. Been on the road for almost three months now and it's done wonders for my mental state.y mind is clearer, I'm calmer and I feel better. I'm still trying to work on small projects and I have an osx utility I wrote entirely on the road using my MacBook Pro and the solar panels on the van to power it.<p>It's not cheap, we are able to live on basically half of what we were living on before, but that's not the point of this journey for us.<p>If your interested in our travels our blog is here <a href="http://www.wanderingeurope.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.wanderingeurope.co.uk</a>
pclarkover 12 years ago
never thought i'd get a chance to promote foster hunting on hacker news, but et voila: the polar opposite of this article – something that would inspire you to <i>want</i> to live in a van – can be found on this fantastic blog: <a href="http://www.arestlesstransplant.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.arestlesstransplant.com</a>
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tiramisuover 12 years ago
When I worked in Palo Alto and lived in SF, the daily commute felt tolerable for three days of the week and then became intolerable for the last two days of the week. After quitting my job and getting a trailer to travel the country, I figured out that a solution to the commute would have been to buy a trailer/van while in SV and park it permanently in one of the huge lots at work and overnight there when I didn't feel like driving back to SF. Like vans, some trailers, like Airstreams or vintage "canned hams", don't depreciate if taken care of.
ChuckMcMover 12 years ago
I met Steve Roberts [1] at a conference when he was riding his bike around the country (pedal power). And he was living this life by choice. When I moved to the Bay Area it was in the midst of a huge recession (chip companies were dying, fabs were closing). I thought a bit about it, and wondered what it would be like.<p>I've always wondered if, when flying high, folks might put together a 'bug out plan' which included mobile accommodations.<p>[1] <a href="http://nomadness.com/" rel="nofollow">http://nomadness.com/</a>
davemanover 12 years ago
Regarding the topic of internet access, I wonder how many van dwellers resort to piggybacking on nearby homeowners' unsecured wifi networks? Seems like if you're trying to minimize costs, rolling up alongside an open network is a great way to get your Hulu and Netflix without going over your data limits.
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Rickasaurusover 12 years ago
Don't worry honey, that "creepy" guy living in front of our house is actually just an entrepreneur!
United857over 12 years ago
This guy goes one step further; living in a Honda Civic:<p><a href="http://www.quora.com/Would-becoming-homeless-be-a-good-strategy-to-cut-costs-1/answer/Kurt-Varner" rel="nofollow">http://www.quora.com/Would-becoming-homeless-be-a-good-strat...</a>
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philover 12 years ago
This is common in the kayaking/climbing community.<p>Every paddler I know living out of a van gets an old Toyota Previa. Why? They're cheap, fuel-efficient, readily available, easy to gut the back, and deal with dirt roads fairly well.
socalnate1over 12 years ago
A friend of mine did this in LA for a couple years and paid off his school loans. He worked for a company that had a full kitchen and showers, so he was able to use the office frequently for those necessities.
OldSchoolover 12 years ago
The van thing should resonate with a lot of entrepreneurs. As a bootstrapped 20-something entrepreneur I couldn't help but secretly think "live in a van" was my backup no matter how well things were going.
mashmac2over 12 years ago
Completely doable; even in a smaller vehicle. I spent the second half of grad school living in a Hyundai Elantra - take out the back seats, sleeping between the trunk and the back seat. Not the most comfortable living, but completely doable.<p>Mostly, the flexibility and minimalism appealed to me, the $ savings were a secondary benefit (and weren't that beneficial, as food costs go up without a refrigerator).
icebrainingover 12 years ago
It seems to me that a water reservoir with a tube going near the engine (for heating) and a small water pump, coupled with an inflatable bathtub could solve the shower problem.<p>I've never lived in a van, but my family used to go camping and we used a similar system (inflatable bathtub inside the tent) so that my younger brother could take a bath even if it was too cold outside for him.
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mahyarmover 12 years ago
Tynan lives in his van RV in SF and works on his startup full time. He's been living in it for years. If I was going to do this, I would get a roadtrek and remove the decals. They stand out the least.<p><a href="http://tynan.com/community/living-in-a-small-rv-introduction" rel="nofollow">http://tynan.com/community/living-in-a-small-rv-introduction</a>
gaddersover 12 years ago
I've never tried living like this, but we had a similar VW camper van that was our main car and also our holiday accommodation.<p>One thing to remember - when you stop in a layby for the night, you will get on average 2-3 people think it is HILARIOUS to drive past with hand on their car horn.
twotwotwoover 12 years ago
Lore Sjoberg, all-around awesome and hilarious guy (anyone remember the Brunching Shuttlecocks?), is in a van. A random recent post: <a href="http://loresjoberg.com/view/monkeyconversation/" rel="nofollow">http://loresjoberg.com/view/monkeyconversation/</a>
protomythover 12 years ago
Plenty of people living in vans and cars in western ND since housing is such an issue. Heck, I have relatives renting spots on their front lawn and an electrical cord for $900/mo to people with campers.<p>Their are plenty of interviews on the web about what that is like.
carlsednaouiover 12 years ago
Not receiving data on my end - here is the cached page:<p><a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:blog.priceonomics.com/post/32944888191/living-in-a-van" rel="nofollow">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:blog.pr...</a>
Tichyover 12 years ago
We spent our holidays as kids in such a VW and it was fantastic. That article made me miss those days. The holidays where always just a couple of weeks, though, so not like living in a van for good.
systematicalover 12 years ago
I had this idea a while back to just travel the United States working on freelance ideas, but geeze...
gogetterover 12 years ago
Didn't Chris Farley have something to say about living in a van, down by the river?
mathattackover 12 years ago
I thought this type of living went away with the Grateful Dead. I can see it as some sort of strange counter-culture, but to do it for financial reasons just seems absurd. Unless you are truly destitute, it ultimately carries so many other burdens that will add to the costs.
allbombsover 12 years ago
all i can think about is chris farley "living in the van down by the river"
marshallpover 12 years ago
This will get much easier when robocars come out. You won't have to worry about police and zoning laws, the car can move every once in a while or continuously be moving. If robocar renting takes off you don't even the cash up front to pay for one. Showers and toilets can be separately moving robocars so this can all be done in small vehicles rather than large RV's. The fuel would electric (robocars recharge themselves from electric gas stations) so the costs of all this would be minimal as well. If this all plays out well, apartments, and even houses should see a drop in value (a good thing because too much of wealth is being plowed into the unproductive economy of land owning - it can instead shift to purchasing engineered products).
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