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Hacker News Meetup Cologne Hostile Takeover

31 pointsby bitboxerover 12 years ago

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blacktarover 12 years ago
The backstory is that I, Vidar Andersen, the original initiator of the Cologne meetup - initially make a mistake.<p>I made a mistake in not updating my payment details before my credit card expired earlier this year. Meetup.com then automatically stepped me down as an organizer and mailed the group that I had stepped down as an organizer. IMO that's a pretty lame way of doing business, but hey, it's their business and not mine. Apparently it works for them.<p>Then I tried to update my payment details with new credit card details to no avail. It just wasn't possible to make meetup.com accept any new credit card for me anymore. I was only getting error messages. I then contacted Meetup.com and notified them about the situation.<p>At that same time, I asked co-organizer Francis to and add a credit card to automatically take over as organizer for me and reinstate my organizer status. Said. Done. Problem solved, right? Not so fast.<p>In the meantime, meetup.com got back to me and revoked Francis' status and gave the organizer status back to me with a kind offer of an extended new grace period as organizer to sort the payment issue out. Meanwhile, I was still unable to update my payment details and add any new credit card credentials without getting error messages and I notified Meetup.com of this. I have still yet to hear back from them on that.<p>It's worth noting that had meetup.com just left it as it were with Francis' payment details as the organizer, we wouldn't have been in this predicament in the first place.<p>Yesterday when the group had yet to expire and I had yet to hear back from meetup.com on my latest issue report, the Hacker News Cologne Meetup group was taken over by an unknown individual. Or in meetup.com's parlance, someone "stepped up to be the organizer" of the group.<p>I immediately reached out to this person informing them of the payment issue situation, thanking them for stepping up but informing them that it was neither needed or wanted, offering to resolve the ownership issue amicably and in private as soon as possible. I never heard back.<p>In stead I woke up to what now seems to be a blatant attempt to aggressively acquire customers for their event(s). The name, logo and purpose of the group had been changed to something completely different.<p>Then mass mailings started to arrive from the person who had taken over our group accusing, us the real organizers, of lying and trying to change the group [back to the original state]. Needless to say, we do not agree.<p>As I scrambled to counter the accusations and inform the group's members, we the original organizers were getting our organizer status removed from this individual. We were also barred from mailing to the group without censorship and approval by the same individual. Needless to say, those messages did not come through to the group. Then I posted the same messages to the group's message boards, just to find the hijacker removing the boards altogether. In a matter of minutes we were effectively shut out, unable to communicate with the community over meetup.com.<p>So that's where we're at right now. We the original Hacker News Cologne Meetup organizers are completely out of control of our own community platform on meetup.com. We've filed a complaint with meetup.com to resolve the situation and it is still pending a reply. And yes, we do appreciate the sweet irony of a hacker group hacked as we move on.<p>We apologize for the intermission and it's now back to business as usual: We'll meet up again on schedule with two awesome new speakers lined up for you at SolutionSpace, November 28th 1900 CET.<p>This time we are relying on you instead of meetup.com to get the word out. You know what to do.
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c1sc0over 12 years ago
Co-organizer here (Francis). We're dealing with it. In the meantime we would like to ask everyone to refrain from public attacks on this Meredith character who took over the group. Of course the Hacker News Meetup is still on &#38; we'll announce a new date through non-meetup.com channels soon!
c1sc0over 12 years ago
We're trying to get this message out while we resolve this, please help us spread it!<p>Guys,<p>As you may know, today the Hacker News Cologne Meetup.com group got hijacked. That doesn't mean it's not business as usual, though: The next meetup is scheduled for 1900 hrs CET @ Solution Space on Nov 28th and we have a new exciting special guest from the US on Skype and a YCombinator alum who will be joining us IRL to share from his experiences with us.<p>We're resolving the meetup.com hijacking farce in a civilized manner, so it would be cool if:<p>1) We all refrain from personal attacks on the hijacker<p>2) We all help spread this message far &#38; wide. We personally can’t reach everyone directly, but hey, this is the intarwebs and you know better than us how to get the word out to the right people.<p>We will discuss and decide on an alternative to Meetup.com during our next IRL meetup.<p>Cheers, The Crew (Francis, Vidar &#38; Maik … the original HN Meetup Cologne Organizers)
bitboxerover 12 years ago
Okay, the link is now dead. A women called Meredith did a hostile takeover of the hacker news cologne meetup group and renamed it. She removed Vidar, the main organizer from the Admin list and now has full controll of the meetup group.<p>This is outrages that it is even possible to do this.
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blacktarover 12 years ago
Hi, Vidar, the original co-organizer here. We're on top of the situation and will be announcing the next Hacker News Meetup Cologne tomorrow. In the meantime, it would be cool if everybody refrains from personal attacks on Meredith. It seems she's a real person. Let's keep it nice and clean.
blacktarover 12 years ago
It seems there was a concerted effort to take over the meetup.com group where the hijacker joined with two profiles in two steps with a clear intent of a hostile takeover.<p>First they joined with one (profile X) to listen in, then a second (profile Y) with the same name when the group was about to expire. Then profile Y "stepped up" to take over the group and delegated org status to profile X too.<p>They then later removed profile X completely, leaving only Y (all the time profile X and Y identically named, identically looking) as the organizer.<p>The timing of the events as observed seem to support this thesis.<p>(Update). Doing some testing, we also found it quite easy to find expiring meetup.com groups in public, e.g. <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22This+Meetup+no+longer+has+an+Organizer.+Without+an+Organizer%2C+it+will+disappear+from+our+website+in+15+day(s).%22&#38;oq=%22This+Meetup+no+longer+has+an+Organizer.+Without+an+Organizer%2C+it+will+disappear+from+our+website+in+15+day(s).%22&#38;aqs=chrome.0.57.1283&#38;sugexp=chrome,mod=14&#38;sourceid=chrome&#38;ie=UTF-8#hl=en&#38;sclient=psy-ab&#38;q=site:meetup.com+%22This+Meetup+no+longer+has+an+Organizer%22&#38;oq=site:meetup.com+%22This+Meetup+no+longer+has+an+Organizer%22&#38;gs_l=serp.3...6015.6015.3.6993.1.1.0.0.0.0.82.82.1.1.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.t0LgJRIbgAU&#38;pbx=1&#38;fp=1&#38;bpcl=37643589&#38;biw=1440&#38;bih=760&#38;bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&#38;cad=b&#38;sei=gOCaUIaaDcGa0QWTlIEI" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/search?q=%22This+Meetup+no+longer+has...</a>
blacktarover 12 years ago
It would be cool if everybody who posted the URL to the previous Hacker News Cologne meetup.com group on their blogs or profiles would update it to <a href="http://hncgn.org" rel="nofollow">http://hncgn.org</a> and help reach out to everybody informing them of the change. Thanks!
ghurlmanover 12 years ago
I just want to caution folks that whoever did this using this "Meredith" account is not necessarily (and most likely is not) Meredith, the person. It's much more likely that a hacked account would be used to do something malicious like this.
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blacktarover 12 years ago
Update: Meetup.com support finally got back to me and is now working to restore the group, fully or in part depending on the damage done. Before we rush to conclusions, please consider that no decision has been made to continuing using meetup.com as the community platform. That's up to you to decide at the next meetup. As Apple says, "We like to have options". ;)
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blacktarover 12 years ago
For HNCGN people stumbling on this thread, I've posted an official announcement of the next and 11th Hacker News Meetup Cologne <a href="http://stopmebeforeiblogagain.com/hacker-news-cologne-meetup/" rel="nofollow">http://stopmebeforeiblogagain.com/hacker-news-cologne-meetup...</a>
blacktarover 12 years ago
This just in. The name of the hijacked group is now "Hacker News - Deleting - Documented extreme libel by members" and the "Meredith" character has removed their profile image.<p>Keep calm and carry on.
blacktarover 12 years ago
And it's gone. <a href="http://www.meetup.com/Hacker-News-Cologne/" rel="nofollow">http://www.meetup.com/Hacker-News-Cologne/</a> == "The Meetup Group you're looking for doesn't exist."
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blacktarover 12 years ago
And we're back in control at the original meetup.com group.<p>Guys, thanks for your support and thanks to the guys at meetup.com com for handing the group back to the community.
Eduardover 12 years ago
This submission got a sudden drop in ranking. <a href="http://hnrankings.info/4754269/" rel="nofollow">http://hnrankings.info/4754269/</a>
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Eduardover 12 years ago
Now I got kicked out of the group as well.
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