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Elon Musk and the Hyperloop

209 pointsby snippyhollowover 12 years ago

40 comments

netcanover 12 years ago
If/when self-driving cars succeed in being ready for public consumption, I think a huge opening for revolutions in transportation gets opened up.<p>- If you can <i>call</i> your car, it can park farther away. Parking is one of the biggest problems with cars in urban areas.<p>- Instead of calling of <i>your</i> car, you could just call <i>a</i> car. A self driving car and a self driving taxi are pretty similar, but one can run 24hrs and reduce the parking problem more.<p>- Computers can do things people can't do. Once enough auto-automobiles are out there, there can be autoauto only "features". The same square footage of tarmac might be able to move cars much quicker. Maybe autoautos can handle 200km speeds. Maybe they can cooperate to make traffic smoother. Maybe they can link together like trains to overcome congestion.<p>There is nothing quite as good as having a car to take you exactly to and from where you want to go. If self driving cars can really mix with human drivers everywhere they may have a nice smooth path to innovate on gradually. Big vision plans for revolutionizing transport are so centralized, so premeditated.<p>edit: one more thing. self driving cars interact in an interesting way with public/mass trasport, especially if people dont own their own. It may reduce the demand by competing more directly on one hand. OTOH, it will compliment by providing the last-mile component.
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schiffernover 12 years ago
How can anyone possibly suggest that this would be <i>cheaper</i> than high-speed rail? If you're going 1150 mph ("average speed twice as fast as a commercial jet"), the curve radius is going to be immense – <i>90 km</i> to maintain &#60;0.3 lateral g. This will constrain your right-of-way selection <i>vastly</i> more than the HSR project Musk scoffs at.<p>And, of course, the skin friction on a 2.5 meter tunnel would be immense. Using a duct friction loss calculator I get 285 megawatts of loss over the entire tube. You need two tubes. At 120,000 passengers/day (HSR estimate), it would take 114 kWh per trip. That's worst than the Model S, hardly an system in which "the fundamental energy cost is <i>so much lower</i>" than a car.<p>No, the "theoretically fastest way" to go from Point A to Point B is a great-circle vacuum train connecting them. A launch loop does essentially that, but exploits the vacuum above our heads instead. It just fits better.<p>Any hyperloop theory needs to deal with supersonic speeds – LA-SF as the crow flies in 30 minutes is <i>just</i> under the wire for subsonic speeds. Elon said "under 30 minutes." There are mountains in the way.
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btillyover 12 years ago
I think that you ALMOST have it. You've even explained the following tantalizing quote from July: <i>I think we could actually make it self-powering if you put solar panels on it, you generate more power than you would consume in the system. There's a way to store the power so it would run 24/7 without using batteries. Yes, this is possible, absolutely.</i> The cars in the loop store power. A lot of it.<p>Now why do I say almost? Let's make one small modification. Let's put a lot of one way flaps in the tube so that it is easy for a puff of air to blow out, but not so easy for air to come back in. There would be leakage, but that is going to be OK.<p>As each car comes by, it piles up air in front of it that blows out of the flaps. Then the flaps fall back, and maintains a partial vacuum. The partial vacuum is no problem for people because there is a pile of air in front of their car that can be tapped for breathing air, that can then be released backwards, where it circulates through the tube (and probably out the flap).<p>This makes his evacuated tube comment even more of a teasing joke. No, the tube is not evacuated. Nor did you pump air out of it. But it winds up almost evacuated. However it is still fine for breathing.<p>Now the point is that reduced air pressure inside of the tunnel significantly reduces drag caused by the air dragging on the edges of the tunnel and being pushed by the cars. This does a lot to make the whole thing massively more efficient. Elon's claim is then that it is efficient enough that it can be powered by solar panels placed on the tube.<p>My big question is how hot it will be. There may be very little gas in the tube, but that gas will be very, very hot. Over time the cars will heat up as well. So you'd need to have the cars regularly coming in and out of the system so that they would have time to cool down.<p>The practical difficulties in building this are immense. But I do not see any physical reason why it is impossible.
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graehamover 12 years ago
“Cheaper than high speed rail” - why is high speed rail expensive? I believe because precision contact between rail and wheel is required. How would this be done cheaper in a tunnel?<p>One issue with a tunnel is that even if the air and carriages are moving at the same speed, there is still drag or friction between the air and the wall of the tunnel by Poissiulle's law. At the proposed speeds (~300km/h) and distances (600km), this becomes a lot, and higher pressures (if my quick calculations are right) lead to higher energy requirements through higher air density.<p>In a vacuum, this friction would not exist. I can post my calcs if there is interest - I used a Moody chart and Darcy's friction equation, and ended up with an energy requirement that there would have to be ~80 million carriages going each way to be as efficient as a Telsa roadster, and neglecting any other losses.
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jusben1369over 12 years ago
Everyone's assuming Musk has the answer and we're guessing at it. I feel like he's prompting the world to create the answer. True leadership at its finest. Define the problem, broad brush what the solution could and should be and then watch minds go to work.
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Tloewaldover 12 years ago
Didn't he say in the Ariane 5 is dead interview that it's a cross between a Concorde and a rail gun, so think super streamlined glider, launched by maglev, captured by maglev (recovering some energy energy on capture). High speed rail without most of the rail.<p>The big issue would be air traffic control at launch and landing. 600 m/s (Mach 2) at 0.5g acceleration would require 36km of launch rail which is kind of a lot. But you could loop the track and reduce the acceleration to make up for centripetal forces — a 200m radius loop might be about right, and once you use a loop you can go a lot faster (and this explains the name: hypersonic loop).<p>I suppose it might skip short distances requiring pylons or something for speed top ups and travel at lower speed.
monk_e_boyover 12 years ago
Problems:<p>Digging a tunnel takes years and cost billions (see London underground new tunnel <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16320945" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16320945</a>)<p>Making the tunnel fit the carrage = no room for emergency<p>Security (terrorists + bomb = nightmare at speed of sound)<p>Windows? What would you look at?<p>If he thinking of just goods (not people) then some of these problems are much simpler - the tunnel could be less than 1m in radius.<p>My wild idea is that he is going to us a rail gun to fire drones up a couple of KM into the air, these then glide down to mini airports. Replace freight railroads.
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shin_laoover 12 years ago
Interesting speculation by Jacques, but I think the combination of rail run and Concorde is a rail gun that fires hypersonic motor-less capsules that glide to destination.<p>Smaller landing zones, no air pollution, much less noise...<p>It's also a good combination of Telsa (rail gun) and SpaceX (rockets can be seen as motorized slugs).<p>Only limit I see with this system is that I'm not sure anyone could withstand the acceleration.
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Tichyover 12 years ago
However, somehow using pressurized tubes for mail failed in the long run. I find those very fascinating, and apparently once upon a time some big cities were actually connected with a lot of such pressure tubes for sending mail. But apparently they were too unreliable and ended up going into oblivion.<p>Would be interesting if some of them could be resurrected somehow.<p>Another idea for improving transport: with modern technology better routing should be possible. Instead of all people boarding the same train that stops at every station, why not only board a carriage that goes directly to your destination? That could save a lot of time, I think.
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dcossonover 12 years ago
One thing not mentioned here is speed. Musk has said this could go from LA to San Francisco in 30 minutes, which is an average speed of ~700 mph - slightly faster than a commercial airliner but in the same ballpark. I'm definitely not an expert in fluid dynamics, but it seems like safely maintaining that speed in a tube at atmospheric pressure would be difficult. Maybe there's some way to design the shape of the pods such that there's a very stable equilibrium keeping it away from the walls. Or you could potentially use a magnetic field to do this (similar to a tokamak) but that seems be trickier and more expensive than a mag-lev rail.<p>An evacuated tube has the advantage of being much more stable at high speeds and avoids the issue of excess heat from repeatedly compressing and expanding the air in the tube.<p>In any case, great read. I almost wonder if Musk has thrown this idea out half-baked just to get more people to start thinking outside the box about transportation...
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minikomiover 12 years ago
Interesting.. What if if gets shot one direction, presurizing something, which it uses to shoot back the other direction<p><pre><code> waiting for passenger SF [||| &#60;&#62; - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ] LA pressurized --&#62; pretty spaced out "stuff" SF [-| - |- |- |- &#60;&#62;-| - |- |- -| - |- |- ] LA in transit.. SF [ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - &#60;&#62; ||| ] LA &#60;- presurized for return</code></pre>
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jwsover 12 years ago
Moving the air through the tunnel addresses the capsule drag, but now you have drag between your moving air and the tunnel wall, which depending on the distance between vehicles is going to be a larger loss.<p>Yacht designers refer to the "wetted area" component of drag, and an entire tunnel wall is a heck of a lot of wetted area.
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robomartinover 12 years ago
I think everyone is ignoring the elephant in the room.<p>This is a long story, but I'll try to keep it very short. Anyone interested contact me off-list for far more details and an unfinished paper with some of my research.<p>A couple of years ago my son and I were watching a documentary on the subject of concrete. It was very interesting. They covered a wide range of topics but one of them really started to trigger my curiosity: The Panama Canal.<p>I don't know why, but I became very interested in the financial metrics surrounding the canal. How much does it cost to cross it? How long does it take? How many ships cross it per year? Where do they come from? Where do they go?<p>The more I learned the more the reality of the Canal horrified me. Why?<p>The bulk of the commercial traffic through the Canal are container ships. And these ships burn something very nasty: Bunker Fuel. This is, by almost any measure, the dirtiest fuel you could burn. it's horrible stuff.<p>When I started to do the math I started to realize the magnitude of the problem. These ships move at about 20 miles per hour. They could go faster but there's a balance between the high cost of hydrodynamic drag and fuel costs. A trip from Shanghai to Long Beach takes about 18 days and will burn somewhere in the range of 3,600 to 7,200 metric tons of fuel. For those not comfortable visualizing units in the metric system, that's from 7,936,560 to 15,873,120 pounds. Yes, fifteen million pounds of the nastiest crap you could burn is used to bring your iPhones (conjecture) and other stuff from Shanghai to Long Beach.<p>If my research is correct, the fleet of about 100,000 cargo ships (Yes, 100,000!!!) burns over a million metric tons of bunker fuel PER DAY.<p>400 million metric tons of bunker fuel per year, which is equivalent to 120 billion gallons.<p>Can't relate to that number?<p>Here's an interesting comparison:<p>To get a better sense of how large this number is we can try to relate it to how many cars one could fill-up with fuel and for how long. 120 billion gallons would provide enough fuel to supply 100,000 cars (assuming a 20 gallon tank) with a full tank of gas every week...for over 1,000 years.<p><pre><code> 100,000 cars. 20 gallons per week. For a THOUSAND years. </code></pre> And our fleet of container ships use this in ONE YEAR.<p>The evil, when it comes to pollution and energy dependence, isn't the much-abused light bulb; it's the elephant in the room: Ocean-going cargo ships.<p>While our mass media chooses to focus its attention on an oil spill (because it is sensational and it serves political purposes), what is really killing our planet slowly is the transportation of iPhones, Blackberries, TV's, blenders, washers, cars, widgets and gadgets on inefficient and highly-polluting ocean-going vessels. Even the latest Gulf spill is insignificant in terms of environmental impact when compared to what 100,000 ships are doing to our environment each and every year.<p>It is estimated that the fleet of nearly 100,000 cargo ships in the world produces over 20 million tons of Sulfur Oxides (SOx) per year. For comparison, the entire fleet of automobiles in the world (about 800 million cars) produces about 80,000 tons of the same contaminant.<p>How about the Canal?<p>A container ship traveling from Los Angeles to NYC through the Canal will burn about 4,500 metric tons of buker-C fuel. This amount of fuel costs approximately US $1.8 million. Canal fees would run somewhere around $300K. The trip from L.A. to NYC through the Canal runs well over two million dollars, without including handling, insurance, crew costs, amortization, maintenance, etc. That's quite a chunk of change, however, when divided by the thousands of containers a ship can move it becomes a few hundred dollars per container.<p>How many ships go through the Canal per year?<p>Approximately 15,000.<p>I'll leave you to do the math. I have far more detail in my notes. What these ships are doing to our environment is simply horrific. The pollution doesn't stop at the act of burning fuel.<p>Cargo ships are also the source of an unusual form of pollution. Ships use huge ballast tanks to stabilize themselves. These ballast tanks are filled and emptied of sea water during loading and unloading operations at port. It is through this mechanism that cargo ships are responsible for transporting harmful organisms across the world into ecosystems that cannot handle them. The introduction of non-native species into a new ecosystem can have devastating consequences.<p>And so, from watching a simple documentary I came to the realization that, for some strange reason, we have been ignoring the most significant source of environmental pollution on our planet. And, beyond that, one of the largest --if not the largest-- consumer of petroleum products.<p>I didn't stop at just identifying the problem. I also wanted to take a stab at a solution. I came up with something I called "The American High Speed Cargo System" (AHSCS) as a loose proposal. This would be a cargo-only, electric powered, high speed rail system. It would connect --at the very least-- both coasts and, ideally, other major US ports. The idea would be to move cargo over land from port to port at 200 miles per hour. High speed passenger trains in the US are a waste of money and that's particularly true in California (don't get me started there). Not so for high-speed cargo.<p>The numbers are there to support it: A cargo ship spends over two million dollars to get from L.A. to NYC. Probably closer to three. Those same containers could be moved far more efficiently over land, at similar or lower costs and pollute far, far less. You are exchanging aerodynamic drag for hydrodynamic drag. Huge difference.<p>In terms of energy costs (just the electricity), I came up with numbers in the order of $10K for a trip from L.A. to NYC. I further estimated that the system would require around 700MW of power, let's call it 1,000MW. We have 53 nuclear plants that can source 1GW each. This is a case where nuclear power might be a really good option.<p>However, the scope of the project needs to be realized. Developing and building such a systems has the potential to generate hundreds of thousands of jobs, if not millions. It should be revenue neutral if not positive (sorry Panama). It would allow for the installation of upgraded communications and power backbones that would be synergistic to the process of building the rail system. It would also allow for the potential to install huge solar and wind-power farms to fully or partially power the system.<p>I have not explored every angle but would like to think that, if my numbers and assumptions are right, this could be the most important project this nation could embark on. You have to think in terms of a hundred or two-hundred year scale. These ships are not going to go away unless something very significant changes. Of course, the same concept ought to be replicated across the planet. Again, if I am right, we should strive to eliminate most, if not all, container ships traversing our oceans. We are making an absolute mess out of our planet.<p><a href="http://news.discovery.com/tech/shipping-network-map.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.discovery.com/tech/shipping-network-map.html</a><p>Like I said, there's more. If interested email me off list and I can send you a copy of my notes so far. It'd be interesting to have someone go over my notes and verify my assumptions and calculations. I tried to raise the issue with politicians but, what can I say, I only have so much time to deal with morons.<p>NOTE:<p>I thank you for your comments. I have to ask that you do me a favor. Please refrain from making categorical statements about the relative efficiency of ships vs. a proposed high-speed electric train without having done the math yourself. Please drop me an email and I'll be more than happy to provide you with a copy of my calcs, an unfinished paper as well as links, PDF's and references. Then we can talk about the merits of the concept. I am actually very interested in having the concept, calculations and assumptions criticized. Arguing outside of a common frame of reference is rather difficult.
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6renover 12 years ago
Re: "no rails" - perhaps it reduces friction by not touching the ground, via a combination of a railgun propulsion + airfoil. Thus, not needing continuous maglev for levitation. Also explains the "concord" comparison.
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DanielBMarkhamover 12 years ago
Sorry Jacques, I'm sticking to the suborbital maglev thing.<p>Yeah, I know it's a long-shot, but it fits into my idea of Musk better than a giant mail tube. I'm just seeing pressurized tubes scaling. There's the same problem with the orbital sub-loop, but I'm betting Musk spent a lot of time looking at this idea as part of his Mars dream.<p>One thing's for sure -- it's going to be a blast seeing how it all turns out!
Maakuthover 12 years ago
He also recently said it's "a cross between a Concorde and a rail gun". That would at least enforce the maglev principle Jacques envisioned. It wouldn't be quite a Concorde in the pressurized tube though. But it's not impossibly far away from that concept, maybe Musk deliberately described it in a bit mysterious fashion. Time will tell.
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mkuhnover 12 years ago
The Hyperloop reminds me a lot of the Swissmetro [1] project which was launched in 1974 and was intended to connect Swiss cities trough evacuated tunnels which would house maglev trains. The evacuation made the project very expensive but a lot of tests were run and a lot of the learning probably can be applied. Solving some of the problems that made the Swissmetro so expensive could lead to what the Hyperloop wants to be.<p>[1 ]<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissmetro" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissmetro</a> (the German language article is much more extensive: <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissmetro" rel="nofollow">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissmetro</a>)
locengover 12 years ago
First time I read it wouldn't be an evacuated tunnel. Next thought of technology it could use then then jumps to maglev-like technology; Imagine a Tesla vehicle (or others) that can hop onto a network that brings the vehicle onto a maglev system, reducing friction (and other elements wouldn't really effect it, especially if you decided to put a canopy over it) ; Anyone else realize he may have dropped a hint in this video (<a href="http://video.ft.com/v/1974478965001/Elon-Musk-from-electric-cars-to-Mars" rel="nofollow">http://video.ft.com/v/1974478965001/Elon-Musk-from-electric-...</a> ) that we might see flying cars?<p>You'd need on-ramps, where a minimum speed is required before merging with the main line, and of course you'd only build on/off ramps at major hubs. The only issue I see being you're not using tar then, and therefore costs of raw materials would be higher, at least initially, and would likely last longer than tar.<p>Being cheaper than highspeed rail could fit into this equation because its the vehicle owners paying for the vehicle, and no trains are being build for it - so actual money going into the system, the synergies that would exist, might be greater - though putting it how he does is creating lots of attention. :)<p>Maybe the hyperloop refers to a an on/off ramping system, where you get accelerated to a certain speed... Fun speculating. And time for tea and breakfast.
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danpalmerover 12 years ago
I'd like to add another possibility into the mix, I think it might be based on some moving walkway concepts that have been considered for quite a few years but have never caught on or progressed passed the prototype stage.<p>The idea is that rather than being a straight line with a sort of conveyor belt, the walkway is made of plates like an escalator, and the ends of the walkway curve off from the main body of it. This means that a user steps on to a slow moving plate, immediately goes around a corner on it, and in doing so accelerates to a much faster speed, with the opposite happening at the destination.<p>As soon as I heard the word 'Hyperloop', this is what I thought of. It's a looped system, but with an extra dimension in a way as different sections operate at different speeds. I think this could be scaled up to be perhaps a track system that 'cars' are put onto with passengers inside, but I don't know.<p>Is this a reasonable possibility? Maybe.<p>✓ Ground based<p>✓ Weather independent<p>✓ Like a railgun (if propelled with magnets)<p>✓ Is not a pressurised tube<p>✓ Leaves when you arrive<p>? Could hold solar panels<p>? Cheap<p>? Revolutionise the transport industry<p>✗ No rails - depends on your interpretation of this, one could argue that a pressurised tube is a kind of track or rail for a carriage.
anonymouzover 12 years ago
The starting point of the argument is kind of whacky: He claims that the sentence "It is not (an evacuated tunnel)." is somehow the same as "It is a (not evacuated) tunnel.", but he completely ignores the fact that the position of the article that he deliberately changes resolves this ambiguity! So, duh, if you change the sentence it means something different...
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topbananaover 12 years ago
I don't think the tunnel would need to be pressurised. If the air moved at the same speed as the train, no resistance would be met.
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danpalmerover 12 years ago
I have a problem with the quote "no rails required" because I would interpret that in a general sense, i.e. a Car does not need rails. To me, a tube just sounds like a special kind of rail.<p>However, all the most plausible theories I have heard so far, and my own possibility, all rely on some sort of (although not traditional) rails.
socialist_coderover 12 years ago
Didn't Elon also say that the Hyperloop would be buildable/achievable without having to obtain large swaths of contiguous land for the construction of the entire loop (which is next to impossible in developed countries)?<p>How does this prediction meet that requirement? Or am I missing something?<p>This is the quote I'm referring to:<p>"It also can’t have a right of way issue, where people have to give up their homes."<p><a href="http://techcrunch.com/2012/11/19/elon-musk-with-jobs-gone-google-will-win-mobile-and-look-out-for-the-hyperloop/" rel="nofollow">http://techcrunch.com/2012/11/19/elon-musk-with-jobs-gone-go...</a>
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frankusover 12 years ago
I think most of OP's arguments are spot on, but I think it's likely to be an elevated system installed over the center divider of the (mostly very straight and very flat) I-5 corridor. Tunneling that distance just isn't feasible at the stated cost.<p>(I expound at greater length here: <a href="http://franking.tumblr.com/post/36241325898/my-personal-speculation-on-the-hyperloop" rel="nofollow">http://franking.tumblr.com/post/36241325898/my-personal-spec...</a>)
sunjainover 12 years ago
Rather than self-driving cars, I see hype-loop kind of system being more effective overall(reliable, cheaper). Obviously a lot more work has been done(Google) on self-driving cars but I would secretly hope/wish that Elon really gets cracking on this thing(especially since he has to regular suffer one of the worst commutes in the world - 405 freeway in LA - especially that particular section).
guynamedlorenover 12 years ago
Musk has also noted that the system would be "protected from the elements"... Perhaps he meant the 'pods' inside the tube would be protected.
nnqover 12 years ago
...the first bit of Hyperloop speculation that actually makes sense and seems plausible ...though the price will this will likely go up because it's new and untested technology and it has to be SAFE: the price difference between "doing something" and "doing something safely" can be orders of magnitude (think airplane safety) so I wouldn't rush to invest in it though...
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jcfreiover 12 years ago
sorry for being kind of a buzz kill - but I'd rather see elon musk venture away from traditional engineering ventures and going into life sciences. the hyperloop seems like an interesting concept, but I don't really see where it fits in, given that his electrical revolution of individual transportation succeeds. Very densely populated areas like new york are already reasonably served by a metro - scaling that system might be cheaper and equally effective as the hyperloop described by jacques mattheij. building new tunnels is very expensive and would probably account for most of the costs in this endeavor. additionally finding spare space in dense cities to construct such a hyperloop might be very difficult besides existing sewer systems and electrical lines, offsetting the benefits of the hyperloop (after all this would require massive public funding)<p>expanding this system to long distances would be really interesting, however even more expensive, given the need to construct long tunnels or tubes.
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pauljburkeover 12 years ago
I'm aware this is not adding much to the discussion but I couldn't shift the intro to futurama out of my head while reading the post.
grumblepeetover 12 years ago
I suspect that it is a beneath the road electrical induction charging system so that cars/vehicles don't need to carry heavy batteries to travel longer distances..<p>On open roads, where batteries fall down on range, surely this would make sense? Combine with self drive for easy town to town driving experience.
mericover 12 years ago
Almost sounds like a bigger version of <a href="http://shweeb.com" rel="nofollow">http://shweeb.com</a>
smoyerover 12 years ago
Several comments mentioned freight transport below, but not in this context. The loop you've described requires some "density" of carriages to maintain the "group inertia". One obvious way to fill gaps that are too big is to put freight cars into the loop to fill them.<p>Very nice article.
maxericksonover 12 years ago
I figure it is a side by side maglev with a bunch of mass going around one of the tracks to store energy.<p>That's assuming the mass needs to be on a second track to maintain a schedule. I guess it's probably possible to do something clever at the stations to avoid a second track.
gagan2020over 12 years ago
Looking to me like router/hub concept in the real world called Hyperloop. You have network (pressured tunnels) with packets (packets which carry me around Hyperloop) controlled via nodes aka router/hub (locations where people could board). Brilliant.
Gustomaximusover 12 years ago
People have built systems called Atmospheric Railways that could be closed to Elon's vision than an evacuated tunnel.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_railway" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_railway</a>
Jabblesover 12 years ago
So it's what they have in Futurama? <a href="http://goo.gl/uEmNW" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/uEmNW</a><p>I'm not really sure how it "can't crash", nor how there aren't any "rails" (or things that look suspiciously like rails).
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gusgordonover 12 years ago
I remember Musk saying that its propulsion source was similar to that of a rail gun's. Sorry, can't remember where, but it was recent.
Angosturaover 12 years ago
Sorry to be the pernickety one, Jacque but inyour opening sentence: "For a while now there are tantalizing hints that Elon Musk is at it again." isn't correct English since "are" is the wrong tense.<p>Try "For a while now there have been tantalizing hints that Elon Musk is at it again"<p>Or perhaps better: "There have been tantalizing hints that Elon Musk is at it again for a while now"
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n_coatsover 12 years ago
Elon Musk &#62; Chuck Norris
simondlrover 12 years ago
Another point to mention is that it is also solar-powered.